Vaccine

Substantial escape by the omicron from natural immunity from other variants. While it does not prove that with the vaccines, the assumption (since natural immunity has been shown to be generally more robust than vaccine immunity) is it will escape the vaccines too. Does not speak to protection against severe illness or the severity of the omicron, which is what we are down to now if we are trying to determine is this more of the same or does it set us back to square 1 March 2020.

 
dad4 said:
1). Why vax+test instead of test only?

Incubation period and false negatives. Some covid positive people will be on the flight, even if you test.

If vax to vax transmission is lower than other transmission, then adding a vax requirement for flights reduces total transmission as a result of the flight.


2) Pharma reps will lash out at 40 tests a year?

I’m not sure how many Pharma reps you know. The Pharma employees I know are already being tested 52 times a year just to come into the office. These are people who have a stack of BinaxNOW tests by the front door, just in case they need one. You could ask them to take 3 tests per flight and they wouldn’t blink.
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1). Do you have documented proof of Vax to Vax Transmission is lower ?
No you don't.
All of the 14 carriers on the Flight, were the new Fauci Omicron and were fully Vaccinated.
The Virus is degrading, and if you understood just basic Virology you would admit this.
The vaccines are the problem, and as each day goes by the Truth is exposed even more.

2). Where is the test you refer to made ?

Maine ?
Was/Is.
Then they destroyed all of their current product in late June, early July.
Maker of Rapid Covid Tests Told Factory to Destroy
Inventory - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

" The BinaxNOW COVID-19 Ag Card 2 Home Test is to be performed only
with the supervision of a telehealth proctor. The BinaxNOW COVID-19 Ag
tests have not been FDA cleared or approved. They have been authorized
by the FDA under an emergency use authorization. "

But there is obviously inventory available as it can still be purchased.
But is it accurate ?

I don't trust what i see below.

Effectiveness of Abbott BinaxNOW Rapid Antigen Test for Detection of
SARS-CoV-2 Infections in Outbreak among Horse Racetrack Workers,
California, USA - Volume 27, Number 11—November 2021 - Emerging
Infectious Diseases journal - CDC

We know the PCR test settings were set purposely high from a 24/25 standard
to 40+, that is highly inaccurate at best. And Truthfully that was deliberate to
set force false positives.

Are the Rapid tests accurate ?
What did they use to test the 14 occupants of the socalled infected flight to
the Netherlands.
What did they use to test the so convienent one person in Dirty San Franshitco.
Who knows. But they are attempting to recreate Dec 2019 again.

Inaccurate tests at best that produce the results needed to scare the Global
lemming again.

None of this is about Covid/SARS-Cov-2 / Covid-19 or any of the variants.
This is ALL about implementing the NWO Agenda-21 Agenda-30.
They crashed an economy to facilitate the destruction of security/individualism
to implement a Global Economy. It's that simple, and the virus is not cooperating
as they planned. So now the REAL lockdowns/Forced Vaccinations will begin to
surface across the Globe.
Witness what Austria/Germany/Australia and Now this am what the EU want to do
to unvaccinated humans. I believe there was a Law created to STOP just this crap,
and it was the Nuremberg Law of 1947.


Vax to Vax infections
Unvax to Vax infections

This whole illogical debate you are attempting is clouding your ability to see
what is really happening across the Globe.
 
Grace T. said:
of the Covidians?....I'm not, any more than I am of Scientology.....where I get po'd is when they say I have to just shut up and believe what they are saying. No thanks.
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I love that if you point out Fauci”s nonsense that somehow that makes you frightened
 
Grace T. said:
again, at 1 is a huge unproven assumption right now.


at 2, in socal, most pharma reps are not being tested weekly. some are required to be vaxxed.
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2- Might be norcal/socal.

More likely to be the difference between sales reps and statisticians/scientists. The people I know up here are all on the science side of it.

Grace T. said:
Substantial escape by the omicron from natural immunity from other variants. While it does not prove that with the vaccines, the assumption (since natural immunity has been shown to be generally more robust than vaccine immunity) is it will escape the vaccines too. Does not speak to protection against severe illness or the severity of the omicron, which is what we are down to now if we are trying to determine is this more of the same or does it set us back to square 1 March 2020.

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Some pretty big logical jumps there.

Cases among previously immune patients is not the same thing as transmission from previously immune patients. If natural immunity patients are not transmitting much, that makes them a dead end for the virus, and therefore a non-issue.

Same exact issue for vaccine immune patients. Even if they get infected, if they aren‘t transmitting and are not hospitalized, do we care?

It all comes down to transmission, and we don’t have that data yet.

If vaccinated and naturally immune patients are transmitting in significant numbers, then your square 1 comment is partially justified. (only partially, because we know a lot more than we did back then.)

If those patients are not transmitting much, then your comment is completely off base. In that case, even if they test positive, those natural and vax immune patients are acting as a firewall that slows down the outbreak.

Wait 2 weeks and find out what the stats guys think about transmission from vaccinated and previously infected patients. Then we’ll know how exposed we are.
 
Desert Hound said:
This is the outcome of the solutions dad liked so much.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1466825924146606094
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The underlying problem is that people don't realize we are the same beings that have committed atrocities to others throughout our known history. No one is immune. The only difference now is a culture that has a deeper respect for individual rights. As we chip away at these rights, we inevitably move down a path that will have frightening parallels with the darker times in human history.
 
dad4 said:
2- Might be norcal/socal.

More likely to be the difference between sales reps and statisticians/scientists. The people I know up here are all on the science side of it.



Some pretty big logical jumps there.

Cases among previously immune patients is not the same thing as transmission from previously immune patients. If natural immunity patients are not transmitting much, that makes them a dead end for the virus, and therefore a non-issue.

Same exact issue for vaccine immune patients. Even if they get infected, if they aren‘t transmitting and are not hospitalized, do we care?

It all comes down to transmission, and we don’t have that data yet.

If vaccinated and naturally immune patients are transmitting in significant numbers, then your square 1 comment is partially justified. (only partially, because we know a lot more than we did back then.)

If those patients are not transmitting much, then your comment is completely off base. In that case, even if they test positive, those natural and vax immune patients are acting as a firewall that slows down the outbreak.

Wait 2 weeks and find out what the stats guys think about transmission from vaccinated and previously infected patients. Then we’ll know how exposed we are.
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1. Yeah my contacts are all on the sales/marketing/distribution end. And it's not just pharma sales...the beer sales people won't tolerate it either.

2. Fair. There's topsey turvier things we've seen in this pandemic than you can get sick but not pass it on to others very well. If I were to bet, I wouldn't put money on it, but I admit it's a possibility.
 
dad4 said:
2- Might be norcal/socal.

More likely to be the difference between sales reps and statisticians/scientists. The people I know up here are all on the science side of it.



Some pretty big logical jumps there.

Cases among previously immune patients is not the same thing as transmission from previously immune patients. If natural immunity patients are not transmitting much, that makes them a dead end for the virus, and therefore a non-issue.

Same exact issue for vaccine immune patients. Even if they get infected, if they aren‘t transmitting and are not hospitalized, do we care?

It all comes down to transmission, and we don’t have that data yet.

If vaccinated and naturally immune patients are transmitting in significant numbers, then your square 1 comment is partially justified. (only partially, because we know a lot more than we did back then.)

If those patients are not transmitting much, then your comment is completely off base. In that case, even if they test positive, those natural and vax immune patients are acting as a firewall that slows down the outbreak.

Wait 2 weeks and find out what the stats guys think about transmission from vaccinated and previously infected patients. Then we’ll know how exposed we are.
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What would we do after 2 weeks?
 
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