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Omicron Triggers ‘Unprecedented’ COVID Surge Hitting Children Under Age 5 in South Africa

EMMANUEL CROSET/AFP via Getty ImagesThe “highly transmissible” Omicron variant of coronavirus ripping through South Africa is putting disproportionately large numbers of children under 5 years old in hospitals, a top South African government medical adviser said Friday.The alarming development...
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Severity of disease still playing out in SA, being watched closely by all. Shutting down travel after the fact does nothing, look where we are today. The hope is that Omicron continues to be less severe and that SA and others ramp up their vaccination efforts. U5 hospitalizion certainly a concern and presents a challenge for treatment.
 
Grace T. said:
a critique of Fauci. "Science cannot be above questioning". For Covidians the Science TM is the holy book, and Fauci is their pope.

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Anthony Fauci's dangerous narcissism

Science can't be above questioning
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Lord Tony is running the show. Think think think. He also worked with Jeffrey on Science Experiments and we know he and Bill are besties and they make shots together. I think I think I think ordinally Libs are waking up and that is a good sign so this BS can go to the next phase. We need 80% on the side of America first. I spoke to one of dear liberal pals and he is now in the light. He called me to say I was right for once. His pride was think but now he has two ears to listen.
 
Here's the fresh new hell for today. Over 90% (some reports are saying everyone but 1) of the 62 passengers on the flight from South Africa to Amsterdam (14 of which had the omicron) were vaccinated. if representative:

1. there's no point to vaccine mandates
2. Dutch authorities are considering a vaccine + testing requirement to board a plane.
3. Biden hinted at that on monday too even for domestic flights (never made sense to me why we require testing for international flights but not domestic ones) in the US
4. People and the airline industry will really hate this one....but hey it's what kids in Lausd are doing weekly.

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Dutch say 14 air passengers from S. Africa with Omicron were vaccinated

Dutch health authorities on Thursday said most of the 62 people who tested positive for COVID-19 after arriving on two flights from South Africa last week had been vaccinated, lending weight to a call for pre-flight testing regardless of vaccination status.
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Grace T. said:
Here's the fresh new hell for today. Over 90% (some reports are saying everyone but 1) of the 62 passengers on the flight from South Africa to Amsterdam (14 of which had the omicron) were vaccinated. if representative:

1. there's no point to vaccine mandates
2. Dutch authorities are considering a vaccine + testing requirement to board a plane.
3. Biden hinted at that on monday too even for domestic flights (never made sense to me why we require testing for international flights but not domestic ones) in the US
4. People and the airline industry will really hate this one....but hey it's what kids in Lausd are doing weekly.

www.reuters.com

Dutch say 14 air passengers from S. Africa with Omicron were vaccinated

Dutch health authorities on Thursday said most of the 62 people who tested positive for COVID-19 after arriving on two flights from South Africa last week had been vaccinated, lending weight to a call for pre-flight testing regardless of vaccination status.
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Everything so far is consistent with a variant that
-spreads like wildfire among unvaccinated people,
-spreads decently from unvaccinated to vaccinated,
-spreads poorly from vaccinated to vaccinated.

If the above three are all true, you have a disease which spreads primarily through unvaccinated people.

In that case, a vaccination + testing requirement for flights would slow it down. Kind of amazing that we don’t do this already.
 
dad4 said:
Everything so far is consistent with a variant that
-spreads like wildfire among unvaccinated people,
-spreads decently from unvaccinated to vaccinated,
-spreads poorly from vaccinated to vaccinated.

If the above three are all true, you have a disease which spreads primarily through unvaccinated people.

In that case, a vaccination + testing requirement for flights would slow it down. Kind of amazing that we don’t do this already.
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dad4 said:
Everything so far is consistent with a variant that

-spreads like wildfire among unvaccinated people,
-spreads decently from unvaccinated to vaccinated,
-spreads poorly from vaccinated to vaccinated.

If the above three are all true, you have a disease which spreads primarily through unvaccinated people.

In that case, a vaccination + testing requirement for flights would slow it down. Kind of amazing that we don’t do this already.
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Please explain your logic process you used to come up with the
above three step insanity.
I'd really like to see it.

" 1. WHAT IS LOGIC ?
Logic may be defined as the science of reasoning. However, this is not to suggest that logic is an empirical (i.e., experimental or observational) science like physics, biology, or psychology. Rather, logic is a non-empirical science like mathematics. Also, in saying that logic is the science of reasoning, we do not mean that it is concerned with the actual mental (or physical) process employed by a thinking entity when it is reasoning. The investigation of the actual reasoning process falls more appropriately within the province of psychology, neurophysiology, or cybernetics. Even if these empirical disciplines were considerably more advanced than they presently are, the most they could disclose is the exact process that goes on in a being's head when he or she (or it) is reasoning. They could not, however, tell us whether the being is reasoning correctly or incorrectly. Distinguishing correct reasoning from incorrect reasoning is the task of logic. "

The above quote is from the below link I supplied for
your use.
Below is the link to help you explain your insanity.
Maybe just maybe admit you are dead ass wrong.

c01.pdf (umass.edu)
 
dad4 said:
Everything so far is consistent with a variant that
-spreads like wildfire among unvaccinated people,
-spreads decently from unvaccinated to vaccinated,
-spreads poorly from vaccinated to vaccinated.

If the above three are all true, you have a disease which spreads primarily through unvaccinated people.
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And so that is a complete guess on your part.

You have no idea. Nor do the experts.

But it does fit your belief pattern.
 
dad4 said:
Everything so far is consistent with a variant that
-spreads like wildfire among unvaccinated people,
-spreads decently from unvaccinated to vaccinated,
-spreads poorly from vaccinated to vaccinated.

If the above three are all true, you have a disease which spreads primarily through unvaccinated people.

In that case, a vaccination + testing requirement for flights would slow it down. Kind of amazing that we don’t do this already.
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As Hound notes, particularly with the omicron, you don't know that. What we do know is that the efficacy against disease declines with time, substantially. We don't know the impact of boosters yet, and we don't know what the impact on transmissibility is, and we don't know how the omicron changes that. So your third pillar is an unknown: it might not be poor but it might be "descent" as well.

That would point to, under your formulation, that the vaccination variable of your vaccination + testing requirement is superfluous. Yet, I point out, and as you are amazed as you yourself write, "we don't do this already" and we didn't do it, for domestic flights, pre-vaccination. So what's changed?

we have a little bit better understanding about transmissibility on airplanes. The airfilters on the newer jets are really good. If someone is sick several rows behind you, it probably won't sweep up towards you. But if someone is sick seated elbow to elbow right next to you or behind you, your N95 on a 6+ hour flight isn't going to stop it.

but some experts, despite the airline propaganda, understood this in March 2020. So why didn't they require it? Why are you amazed? Simple: the public won't tolerate it, particularly a blue check demographic the modern business person that needs to fly. ironically, when the airplanes were empty, you might have been able to get away with it for a few months. But that pharma rep that is flying from city to city isn't going to tolerate some 40+ tests a year without lashing out. It's political and (like school closures) there will be a price to be paid, particularly if, as expected and increasingly demanded by the public (rightly or wrong) it does nothing to "end this" (as Joe Biden rightly or wrong, promised).
 
Grace T. said:
As Hound notes, particularly with the omicron, you don't know that. What we do know is that the efficacy against disease declines with time, substantially. We don't know the impact of boosters yet, and we don't know what the impact on transmissibility is, and we don't know how the omicron changes that. So your third pillar is an unknown: it might not be poor but it might be "descent" as well.

That would point to, under your formulation, that the vaccination variable of your vaccination + testing requirement is superfluous. Yet, I point out, and as you are amazed as you yourself write, "we don't do this already" and we didn't do it, for domestic flights, pre-vaccination. So what's changed?

we have a little bit better understanding about transmissibility on airplanes. The airfilters on the newer jets are really good. If someone is sick several rows behind you, it probably won't sweep up towards you. But if someone is sick seated elbow to elbow right next to you or behind you, your N95 on a 6+ hour flight isn't going to stop it.

but some experts, despite the airline propaganda, understood this in March 2020. So why didn't they require it? Why are you amazed? Simple: the public won't tolerate it, particularly a blue check demographic the modern business person that needs to fly. ironically, when the airplanes were empty, you might have been able to get away with it for a few months. But that pharma rep that is flying from city to city isn't going to tolerate some 40+ tests a year without lashing out. It's political and (like school closures) there will be a price to be paid, particularly if, as expected and increasingly demanded by the public (rightly or wrong) it does nothing to "end this" (as Joe Biden rightly or wrong, promised).
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1). Why vax+test instead of test only?

Incubation period and false negatives. Some covid positive people will be on the flight, even if you test.

If vax to vax transmission is lower than other transmission, then adding a vax requirement for flights reduces total transmission as a result of the flight.


2) Pharma reps will lash out at 40 tests a year?

I’m not sure how many Pharma reps you know. The Pharma employees I know are already being tested 52 times a year just to come into the office. These are people who have a stack of BinaxNOW tests by the front door, just in case they need one. You could ask them to take 3 tests per flight and they wouldn’t blink.
 
dad4 said:
1). Why vax+test instead of test only?

Incubation period and false negatives. Some covid positive people will be on the flight, even if you test.

If vax to vax transmission is lower than other transmission, then adding a vax requirement for flights reduces total transmission as a result of the flight.


2) Pharma reps will lash out at 40 tests a year?

I’m not sure how many Pharma reps you know. The Pharma employees I know are already being tested 52 times a year just to come into the office. These are people who have a stack of BinaxNOW tests by the front door, just in case they need one. You could ask them to take 3 tests per flight and they wouldn’t blink.
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again, at 1 is a huge unproven assumption right now.


at 2, in socal, most pharma reps are not being tested weekly. some are required to be vaxxed.
 
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