Hüsker Dü
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You don’t believe in “Better safe than sorry”?
Vaccine
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Fair but given the way the Trump question was phrased, and given that it's PBS, would you bet a $100 they were expecting that answer? $1000? $10,000?
Bruddah IZ
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She should ask Baldwin about shooting.
Hüsker Dü
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Posts like this illustrate your inability to empathize or even show awareness that that may be possible. You continue to belittle others attempts to keep themselves healthy as if you are the sole arbitrator in the situation. Do you have pet names for people who buy whole food, shop organic and don’t eat processed foods?
True but you have to draw the line when blanket policies are based on irrational fear, like the measures against children. We shouldn't cater to the lowest common denominator of risk assessment. Maybe somewhere in the middle would be more appropriate.
Look at the area under the curve. Not the shape.Err look at the spike. The spike's duration was the roughly same as every other country including Australia that went through it.
And they've gotten the same plateau as England. Nice try.
Singapore COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer
Singapore Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.www.worldometers.info
p.s. why are you bringing up deaths? You think masks now are a magic talisman against deaths if people fall ill? I think you and I agree that the vaccines are very useful in reducing the death rate. Where we disagree is whether vaccination (whether alone or coupled with masks) is enough to bring cases into herd immunity. Nothing in the Singapore numbers is useful to you making that case. Seriously, at this point you are just sticking your fingers in your ears and just wishing things operate like you wish they do.
Their total cases per capita are far below ours. Yet their cases are already falling.
They’re doing something right that we are not doing.
Hüsker Dü
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I thought the lowest common denominator was those ingesting a deworming medicine as the sole preventative?
Bruddah IZ
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Over the past six days I’ve taken four direct domestic flights on American Airlines. The first was last Wednesday, late morning, from Washington’s Reagan National Airport to Greenville-Spartanburg in South Carolina. Well, it was supposed to be a late-morning flight. The flight wound up being delayed by about two hours and ten minutes.
The first cause of the delay was a crew shortage. The plane was at the gate before I arrived there in plenty of time for the scheduled departure, but there was no crew.
When a crew finally arrived and we passengers were boarded, the pilot informed us that someone mistakenly put too much fuel into the plane. 50,000 pounds of fuel had to be removed. ‘But,’ added the pilot (and here I paraphrase, for I don’t recall his exact words), ‘the ground crew to do the de-fueling is busy. It’ll take some time to get to us.’
Eventually the fuel was removed and we took off for Greenville. This delay, alas, resulted in my arriving in Greenville during the height of rush hour. What would normally have been about a 45-minute drive to Clemson – where I was to speak the next day for Brad Thompson’s Clemson Institute for the Study of Capitalism – turned into a 90-minute drive because of traffic congestion on I-85 South. My long-anticipated dinner with Brad and Bruce Yandle was abbreviated.
Flying back to Washington on Friday morning brought another delay, about an hour. This delay (I think) was due to foul weather in DC.
On Saturday morning I flew without delay from Reagan-National to Hartford to speak that afternoon at a Brownstone Institute event (at which I had the great honor to meet, and be on a panel with, Jay Bhattacharya and Martin Kulldorff).
Alas, my return flight on Sunday morning was delayed for about two hours leaving Hartford. The incoming flight was delayed. When it finally arrived, I overheard this walkie-talkie conversation between the gate agent and a member of the ground crew.
Much is wrong with today’s labor markets.
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Epilogue: Upon finally boarding the flight from Hartford to DC, a middle-aged couple directly across the aisle from me each had a bottle of hand sanitizer. Before sitting in their seats, they proceeded to vigorously wipe down everything near their seats with the sanitizer – the seat backs and cushions, the arm rests, the window, the panels above their heads, the seat backs facing them, and the tray tables. By the time they were done with this ridiculous ordeal, I was half-surprised that they failed to wipe down also the floor beneath their feet.
This world is not right.
UPDATE: I forgot earlier to recount the following occurrence at the cocktail hour before the Brownstone Institute dinner on Saturday evening. I went to the bar to refill my wine glass with a second pouring of chardonnay. The bartender pulled out another, clean glass. “That’s okay,” I said, “you can refill this glass that I’ve been using.”
“No sir,” she replied. “Covid restrictions require that we always use new glasses.”
I smiled and thanked her as I took the freshly poured wine – and then said softly to myself, as I walked away from the bar needing that second glass a bit more than I did just a moment earlier, “Good thing the Covidocracy is protecting me from catching Covid from me.”
Again, the world is not right.
Don Boudreaux
The first cause of the delay was a crew shortage. The plane was at the gate before I arrived there in plenty of time for the scheduled departure, but there was no crew.
When a crew finally arrived and we passengers were boarded, the pilot informed us that someone mistakenly put too much fuel into the plane. 50,000 pounds of fuel had to be removed. ‘But,’ added the pilot (and here I paraphrase, for I don’t recall his exact words), ‘the ground crew to do the de-fueling is busy. It’ll take some time to get to us.’
Eventually the fuel was removed and we took off for Greenville. This delay, alas, resulted in my arriving in Greenville during the height of rush hour. What would normally have been about a 45-minute drive to Clemson – where I was to speak the next day for Brad Thompson’s Clemson Institute for the Study of Capitalism – turned into a 90-minute drive because of traffic congestion on I-85 South. My long-anticipated dinner with Brad and Bruce Yandle was abbreviated.
Flying back to Washington on Friday morning brought another delay, about an hour. This delay (I think) was due to foul weather in DC.
On Saturday morning I flew without delay from Reagan-National to Hartford to speak that afternoon at a Brownstone Institute event (at which I had the great honor to meet, and be on a panel with, Jay Bhattacharya and Martin Kulldorff).
Alas, my return flight on Sunday morning was delayed for about two hours leaving Hartford. The incoming flight was delayed. When it finally arrived, I overheard this walkie-talkie conversation between the gate agent and a member of the ground crew.
The incoming plane was stranded short of the gate for about 15 or 20 minutes.
Much is wrong with today’s labor markets.
…..
Epilogue: Upon finally boarding the flight from Hartford to DC, a middle-aged couple directly across the aisle from me each had a bottle of hand sanitizer. Before sitting in their seats, they proceeded to vigorously wipe down everything near their seats with the sanitizer – the seat backs and cushions, the arm rests, the window, the panels above their heads, the seat backs facing them, and the tray tables. By the time they were done with this ridiculous ordeal, I was half-surprised that they failed to wipe down also the floor beneath their feet.
This world is not right.
UPDATE: I forgot earlier to recount the following occurrence at the cocktail hour before the Brownstone Institute dinner on Saturday evening. I went to the bar to refill my wine glass with a second pouring of chardonnay. The bartender pulled out another, clean glass. “That’s okay,” I said, “you can refill this glass that I’ve been using.”
“No sir,” she replied. “Covid restrictions require that we always use new glasses.”
I smiled and thanked her as I took the freshly poured wine – and then said softly to myself, as I walked away from the bar needing that second glass a bit more than I did just a moment earlier, “Good thing the Covidocracy is protecting me from catching Covid from me.”
Again, the world is not right.
Don Boudreaux
You were the one that tried to distinguish Los Angeles on the basis of a different virus and demographics so why would you compare that to a country the size of the United States and throw everything all in. The point is with the Delta, and with their population masked, they still had an out break (which if it follows other populations is likely to simmer for a while, and notwithstanding the seasonal suppression effects (see Australia, New Zealand, Vietnam). That means no herd immunity. It may very well be vaccines helped limit the amount of cases...but still and outbreak, no herd immunity.
p.s. the jury BTW is still out on natural immunity ---> herd immunity. We so far only have really the limited UK data Dr. John cited. Eyes should be on India. If they go into another wave (given the extent of their prior outbreaks) that should tell us whether natural immunity can lead to herd immunity or not.
That's an IQ issue not a risk acceptance issue, but we shouldn't base policies on them either.
How many actually ate horse paste vs took Ivermectin intended for human use? I suspect that the horse paste story is more of a cute anecdote for the leftists to regurgitate as an ad hominem against anti-vaxxers and anti-mandaters.
a. you have no right to be healthy. Illness is part of the human condition. It's been a part of the human condition for millenia
b. this presumption that somehow we can control illness is a new thing. It's the height of arrogance. It goes along with our tech....somehow we seem to think it removes us from our animal past and the state of nature. News flash...when the s goes down...we are all apes.a
c. it's great to not eat processed foods! If anything, process foods tends to be high in calories and waste line more than anything seems to impact COVID results.
d. organics/whole foods though are a bit of a gimmick. 1. They aren't necessarily healthier than the nonorganics....sure you can have a pesticide concern but the impact on your health is very small....if you live in a city you are inhaling more carcinogens from the air pollution in the city than you are from your food....2. sure you can have an antibiotic concern but you run more likely of picking up a disease if you cook your food improperly, and 3. if you care about climate change what's worse is your are a hypocrite....GMO foods consume less water and produce less waste and don't necessarily make an impact on your health. So yes I will make fun of you if you say you are all in on climate change but then promote organics/whole foods. You not only aren't assessing risk properly, you are killing the planet.
e. hats off to vegetarians. If you can keep your weight up, you are not only eating healthy, you are sparing the animals, and you are helping out the planet. Respect
Bruddah IZ
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In a sane era, no ethics review board would allow doctors to bribe young children to undergo a treatment with unknown dangers and minuscule benefits. But medical ethics are just one more casualty of the Covid pandemic, as Bill de Blasio cheerfully demonstrated at a recent press conference. New York’s mayor announced that children aged five and older would get $100 for being vaccinated against Covid—and then he made a direct pitch to those too young to appreciate the size of the city’s bribe.
“It buys a whole lot of candy,” the mayor explained.
Norms of science and medicine have been flouted throughout the pandemic, but the campaign to vaccinate schoolchildren represents a new low. It’s being led by the Centers for Disease Control with the help of politicians, journalists, and Sesame Street’s Big Bird (who appeared in a CNN special proselytizing children).
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Based on seroprevalence surveys, it appears that close to half of American schoolchildren have already had Covid. (The estimate was about 40 percent as of June and has undoubtedly risen during the spread of the Delta variant.) Children who’ve already had measles or chickenpox aren’t required to be vaccinated against those diseases. Why should tens of millions of kids with natural immunity against Covid be pressured to get a vaccine with known side effects? Federal officials have offered various answers, none convincing. The CDC continues to insist that infection is not proved to confer strong immunity and even published a study purporting to show that vaccinations offer better immunity. But as Martin Kulldorff of Harvard Medical School showed, that study was badly flawed and is contradicted by more rigorous research demonstrating that natural immunity is much stronger and longer-lasting than vaccine immunity.
For children without immunity, a vaccine would lessen the risk of being hospitalized or dying—but that risk for most children is already tiny, particularly for younger kids. (So is the risk of severe “long Covid,” and it’s questionable that vaccination would offer additional protection.)
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The creepiest justification for vaccinating children is that it would “help schools safely return to in-person learning as well as extracurricular activities and sports,” in the CDC’s words. The United States has been singularly cruel to children throughout the pandemic, closing schools and masking students for extended periods despite extensive evidence that these measures were unnecessary and harmful. Sweden showed that keeping schools open throughout the pandemic—without masks, social distancing, smaller classes or strict quarantines—did little to endanger students, teachers, or the community. Other European countries have also kept schools open without forcing young students to wear masks. Today, with most American adults vaccinated, there’s less reason than ever to close schools. Yet instead of apologizing for their previous child abuse, officials are placating neurotic adults—and teachers’ unions—by threatening still more punishment unless students submit to vaccination.
The threat is a version of the mob’s old protection racket—Nice school you got here, be a shame if anything happened to it—but at least the mob’s extortionists didn’t target children. Mobsters were content with cash payoffs, which would be preferable to today’s demands for mass vaccination. The children would be better off if de Blasio and the other adult bullies settled for taking their candy money.
John Tierney
“It buys a whole lot of candy,” the mayor explained.
Norms of science and medicine have been flouted throughout the pandemic, but the campaign to vaccinate schoolchildren represents a new low. It’s being led by the Centers for Disease Control with the help of politicians, journalists, and Sesame Street’s Big Bird (who appeared in a CNN special proselytizing children).
…..
Based on seroprevalence surveys, it appears that close to half of American schoolchildren have already had Covid. (The estimate was about 40 percent as of June and has undoubtedly risen during the spread of the Delta variant.) Children who’ve already had measles or chickenpox aren’t required to be vaccinated against those diseases. Why should tens of millions of kids with natural immunity against Covid be pressured to get a vaccine with known side effects? Federal officials have offered various answers, none convincing. The CDC continues to insist that infection is not proved to confer strong immunity and even published a study purporting to show that vaccinations offer better immunity. But as Martin Kulldorff of Harvard Medical School showed, that study was badly flawed and is contradicted by more rigorous research demonstrating that natural immunity is much stronger and longer-lasting than vaccine immunity.
For children without immunity, a vaccine would lessen the risk of being hospitalized or dying—but that risk for most children is already tiny, particularly for younger kids. (So is the risk of severe “long Covid,” and it’s questionable that vaccination would offer additional protection.)
…..
The creepiest justification for vaccinating children is that it would “help schools safely return to in-person learning as well as extracurricular activities and sports,” in the CDC’s words. The United States has been singularly cruel to children throughout the pandemic, closing schools and masking students for extended periods despite extensive evidence that these measures were unnecessary and harmful. Sweden showed that keeping schools open throughout the pandemic—without masks, social distancing, smaller classes or strict quarantines—did little to endanger students, teachers, or the community. Other European countries have also kept schools open without forcing young students to wear masks. Today, with most American adults vaccinated, there’s less reason than ever to close schools. Yet instead of apologizing for their previous child abuse, officials are placating neurotic adults—and teachers’ unions—by threatening still more punishment unless students submit to vaccination.
The threat is a version of the mob’s old protection racket—Nice school you got here, be a shame if anything happened to it—but at least the mob’s extortionists didn’t target children. Mobsters were content with cash payoffs, which would be preferable to today’s demands for mass vaccination. The children would be better off if de Blasio and the other adult bullies settled for taking their candy money.
John Tierney
Bruddah IZ
DA
Restrictions of scientific free speech will inevitably lead to restriction of any speech deemed detrimental to freedom, as Murthy described it. David Rubin was banned from Twitter for a week in July for predicting that the Biden administration would impose a federal vaccine mandate. In September, Biden announced such a mandate and is now telling businesses to ignore the court-ordered pause to it. While Paul’s offending statement was a scientific one, Rubin’s was merely an opinion.-- Brendan Purdy
You knew what was in her mind before she said anything? We have a word for that.
And who is Cernovich anyway that you would echo him?
Full interview here -- (the excerpted part starts about 16:00)
The horse paste story originated in reports from poison response centers.
No right to be healthy? That's a pretty extreme position.
No...it's reality. Everybody gets sick. Everyone dies, usually from an illness.
That confirms what I posted.