Except exponential fits his claims perfectly. It grows exponentially until there are restrictions, then it gets better and we get complacent or restrictions loosened then it grows exponentially again, more restrictions...rinse and repeat. From his perspective our policies create the waves and not the virus itself. Never mind what happened in other countries without lockdowns or the fact there was a wave after the vast majority were vaccinated. Fear the wave.
Vaccine
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Bruddah IZ
DA
The arrogance you accused Grace of "bolded".
Bruddah IZ
DA
Australians remain in the soul-suffocating grip of Covid Derangement Syndrome
If you’re screening and excluding family members from Christmas lunch according to their vaccination status, you’re doing Christmas all wrong.
But Australia’s top rating breakfast television program suggested on Friday that you do just that.
Channel Seven’s Sunrise program featured a segment on “how to handle unvaccinated loved ones over the festive season”, insisting that unvaccinated family members will place everyone else in “a unique predicament” on Christmas Day.
Did mainstream media really need to go there? As if the last two years have not been divisive enough without using Christmas Day to promote fear and segregation.
Program host David Koch told viewers: “As Christmas approaches many of us will be faced with a new dilemma – how to handle unvaccinated loved ones and whether you should spend time with them over the festive season or sit next to them at Christmas dinner.”
Aldus Huxley, who said “the propogandist’s purpose is to make one set of people forget that certain other sets of people are human”, would have been impressed.
Personally, I can’t imagine refusing to sit next to a family member – on Christmas Day no less – because they haven’t been jabbed. But that’s because I’m not a jerk. Clearly, the Sunrise producers have a different view of their audience.
If you’re screening and excluding family members from Christmas lunch according to their vaccination status, you’re doing Christmas all wrong.
But Australia’s top rating breakfast television program suggested on Friday that you do just that.
Channel Seven’s Sunrise program featured a segment on “how to handle unvaccinated loved ones over the festive season”, insisting that unvaccinated family members will place everyone else in “a unique predicament” on Christmas Day.
Did mainstream media really need to go there? As if the last two years have not been divisive enough without using Christmas Day to promote fear and segregation.
Program host David Koch told viewers: “As Christmas approaches many of us will be faced with a new dilemma – how to handle unvaccinated loved ones and whether you should spend time with them over the festive season or sit next to them at Christmas dinner.”
Aldus Huxley, who said “the propogandist’s purpose is to make one set of people forget that certain other sets of people are human”, would have been impressed.
Personally, I can’t imagine refusing to sit next to a family member – on Christmas Day no less – because they haven’t been jabbed. But that’s because I’m not a jerk. Clearly, the Sunrise producers have a different view of their audience.
Bruddah IZ
DA
Coo coo
Bruddah IZ
DA
THE LANCET:
COVID-19: stigmatising the unvaccinated is not justified
There is increasing evidence that vaccinated individuals continue to have a relevant role in transmission. In Massachusetts, USA, a total of 469 new COVID-19 cases were detected during various events in July, 2021, and 346 (74%) of these cases were in people who were fully or partly vaccinated, 274 (79%) of whom were symptomatic. Cycle threshold values were similarly low between people who were fully vaccinated (median 22·8) and people who were unvaccinated, not fully vaccinated, or whose vaccination status was unknown (median 21·5), indicating a high viral load even among people who were fully vaccinated. In the USA, a total of 10 262 COVID-19 cases were reported in vaccinated people by April 30, 2021, of whom 2725 (26·6%) were asymptomatic, 995 (9·7%) were hospitalised, and 160 (1·6%) died. In Germany, 55·4% of symptomatic COVID-19 cases in patients aged 60 years or older were in fully vaccinated individuals, and this proportion is increasing each week. In Münster, Germany, new cases of COVID-19 occurred in at least 85 (22%) of 380 people who were fully vaccinated or who had recovered from COVID-19 and who attended a nightclub. People who are vaccinated have a lower risk of severe disease but are still a relevant part of the pandemic. It is therefore wrong and dangerous to speak of a pandemic of the unvaccinated. Historically, both the USA and Germany have engendered negative experiences by stigmatising parts of the population for their skin colour or religion. I call on high-level officials and scientists to stop the inappropriate stigmatisation of unvaccinated people, who include our patients, colleagues, and other fellow citizens, and to put extra effort into bringing society together.
COVID-19: stigmatising the unvaccinated is not justified
There is increasing evidence that vaccinated individuals continue to have a relevant role in transmission. In Massachusetts, USA, a total of 469 new COVID-19 cases were detected during various events in July, 2021, and 346 (74%) of these cases were in people who were fully or partly vaccinated, 274 (79%) of whom were symptomatic. Cycle threshold values were similarly low between people who were fully vaccinated (median 22·8) and people who were unvaccinated, not fully vaccinated, or whose vaccination status was unknown (median 21·5), indicating a high viral load even among people who were fully vaccinated. In the USA, a total of 10 262 COVID-19 cases were reported in vaccinated people by April 30, 2021, of whom 2725 (26·6%) were asymptomatic, 995 (9·7%) were hospitalised, and 160 (1·6%) died. In Germany, 55·4% of symptomatic COVID-19 cases in patients aged 60 years or older were in fully vaccinated individuals, and this proportion is increasing each week. In Münster, Germany, new cases of COVID-19 occurred in at least 85 (22%) of 380 people who were fully vaccinated or who had recovered from COVID-19 and who attended a nightclub. People who are vaccinated have a lower risk of severe disease but are still a relevant part of the pandemic. It is therefore wrong and dangerous to speak of a pandemic of the unvaccinated. Historically, both the USA and Germany have engendered negative experiences by stigmatising parts of the population for their skin colour or religion. I call on high-level officials and scientists to stop the inappropriate stigmatisation of unvaccinated people, who include our patients, colleagues, and other fellow citizens, and to put extra effort into bringing society together.
Bruddah IZ
DA
… is from page 254 of the 2016 second edition of Thomas Sowell’s excellent volume Wealth, Poverty and Politics:
If an engineer submitted a design for a bridge suspended by nothing but thin air, and in doing so announced that he assumes that gravity doesn’t operate on bridges, that engineer would of course be roundly criticized and never again asked to design a bridge (or anything else). Yet when the likes of economists, lawyers, and think-tank scholars submit – as they very often do – designs for public policy built on the assumption that the requisite knowledge will somehow be concentrated in the heads of the appropriate government officials, professors, pundits, and politicians Oooh! and Ahhh! as if they are witnessing the work of great geniuses.
The spectacle would be nothing but low comedy if the consequences weren’t so horrible.
DBx: Undeniably true. It is, therefore, especially astounding that nearly all proponents of government intervention succeed in passing off as science-based their proposals for policies that will work only if sufficient knowledge is concentrated in the heads of those persons who wield concentrated power. These peddlers of faux scientific policy analyses simply assume that such concentration of knowledge not only can happen, but will happen.The crucial fact is that it is far easier to concentrate power than to concentrate knowledge.
If an engineer submitted a design for a bridge suspended by nothing but thin air, and in doing so announced that he assumes that gravity doesn’t operate on bridges, that engineer would of course be roundly criticized and never again asked to design a bridge (or anything else). Yet when the likes of economists, lawyers, and think-tank scholars submit – as they very often do – designs for public policy built on the assumption that the requisite knowledge will somehow be concentrated in the heads of the appropriate government officials, professors, pundits, and politicians Oooh! and Ahhh! as if they are witnessing the work of great geniuses.
The spectacle would be nothing but low comedy if the consequences weren’t so horrible.
Bruddah IZ
DA
National Review‘s Wesley Smith reports on the Covidocracy’s authoritarian nature – specifically here, on the demand by Francis Collins, the outgoing head of the National Institutes of Health, that those who dissent from his and other officials’ claims about Covid and Covid-mitigation efforts not only be censored, but “brought to justice.” A slice:
There are abundant reasons why our public-health leaders are less than universally trusted. For example, Anthony Fauci admitted to lying about masks early in the pandemic. He also prevaricated — at best — about U.S. goverment funding of “gain of function” viral research. And he seemed intoxicated by his fame, to the point that he often acted more like an A-list celebrity than a scientist.
Beyond personalities, people have noticed that our most prestigious scientific and medical journals have gone woke. This ideological poisoning of “science” breeds distrust in the process and the conclusions published in these journals — as I and others have written.
Not only that, but people have also noticed that many in “the science community” seem to relish their newfound power — and want to expand it beyond fighting COVID. For example, Fauci has urged that the U.N. and WHO be strengthened to “rebuild the infrastructure of human existence” to prevent future pandemics. Meanwhile, others want technocrats to be empowered to force policies on the public to fight climate change, as they have during the pandemic.
There are abundant reasons why our public-health leaders are less than universally trusted. For example, Anthony Fauci admitted to lying about masks early in the pandemic. He also prevaricated — at best — about U.S. goverment funding of “gain of function” viral research. And he seemed intoxicated by his fame, to the point that he often acted more like an A-list celebrity than a scientist.
Beyond personalities, people have noticed that our most prestigious scientific and medical journals have gone woke. This ideological poisoning of “science” breeds distrust in the process and the conclusions published in these journals — as I and others have written.
Not only that, but people have also noticed that many in “the science community” seem to relish their newfound power — and want to expand it beyond fighting COVID. For example, Fauci has urged that the U.N. and WHO be strengthened to “rebuild the infrastructure of human existence” to prevent future pandemics. Meanwhile, others want technocrats to be empowered to force policies on the public to fight climate change, as they have during the pandemic.
kickingandscreaming
PREMIER
It will be interesting to see how public schools evolve. They risk not only losing those who don't support their idealogical direction but also those high acheivers who found out they could do much more in less time when unshackled from the classroom. I don't expect public schools and their supporters to take this loss of power laying down - especially in bluer states such as CA. Expect legislation to make home schooling more difficult to be coming soon.
kickingandscreaming
PREMIER
Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power.
- A. Lincoln
Bruddah IZ
DA
Freddie Sayers tweets about the newly announced arrival in Austria of the straw man in full:
Well that didn’t last long. Cases actually started increasing *faster* after the lockdown for the unvaccinated, so Austria is now moving to universal lockdown and mandatory vaccination from the spring.
Well that didn’t last long. Cases actually started increasing *faster* after the lockdown for the unvaccinated, so Austria is now moving to universal lockdown and mandatory vaccination from the spring.
Bruddah IZ
DA
Fortunately, more Europeans are protesting the straw-man’s current stomping through their countries…. And, because the U.S. media are largely silent on these protests, el gato malo offers this post.
kickingandscreaming
PREMIER
Dr. Scott Gottlieb, a Pfizer board member, told CNBC that people should get their booster as soon as possible because breakthrough infections are occurring more than the public realizes. Dr. Fraud said he is now super duper concerned about celebrating with the non-vax over the Thanksgiving and thinks this will be a very DARK WINTER! Here we go again. Nowhere to run and nowhere to hide. My pal got his 3rd jab and told me he's done and no more. My other best pal told me to just get the jab and stop holding things up. I told him again our reasons and he said they were stupid reasons. I told him again and again it ancestral from roots and he laughs. I laugh at him and we just both laugh all this off. 2020 and 2021 has been two crazy years.
You’re probably right. They’ve already had a couple of attempts to restrict homeschools in CA.
If they actually succeed, they may not like the results. A small fraction of people homeschool because it is easier than fighting the school district on some other issue. End homeschool, and most of those families are in your face demanding something. And, since they have the resources to homeschool, they probably have the resources to file a lawsuit to back up their demand.
More likely that by enforcing rules on spaces where you can see people, you shift them to places you can’t see.So, it's not a pandemic of the unvaccinated? Let's go to @dad4 for a definition update
I haven’t read the Austrian law. If they restricted movement of the unvaccinated, that’s a big mistake. Same mistake as we made closing beaches and parks.
kickingandscreaming
PREMIER
This is a very good point.
I really want to support public schooling. I was a teacher many years ago and have recently gotten certified again in CA. If they would just focus on serving families' needs and not trying to protect their headcount, it would be much easier to support. I like that schools have gone out of their way to make sure those with special needs are served. They need to do the same thing for advanced students and students who are involved in activities outside of school that may require them to miss time. The responsibility that it takes to manage school while having those activities is an important life skill. It's a shame, really.
kickingandscreaming
PREMIER
Grace probably read it. I'll wait for her update and for espola to say "nonsense".
Maybe what they did was issue a mandate that the unvaccinated were not allowed to catch the virus.
Bruddah IZ
DA
I didn't really catch it. It was under my Christmas tree last year. Coming up on 1 year without reinfection and a month old blood test that reads positive for significant Sars Cov 2 anti-bodies......STILL.