You misunderstand the concept of herd immunity.
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You misunderstand the concept of herd immunity.
Is it "its" or "it's"? Make up your mind.
1. Even Fauci is off zero covid/herd immunity. Guess dad4 is anti-science.
2. fully vaccinated is going to mean boosters. he's saying as much.
3. he's talking out his ass and guessing. there's no data yet to support how long the booster immune response lasts.
4. It's possible repeated booster would be needed to get long lasting protection
5. I know now several people who have been boosted. Many of them have had rough side effects (not debilitating but unpleasant). I think this is their last bite at the apple. Other than the elderly and immunocompromised, a significant amount of the people I've asked about this said it makes them feel so bad they are NOT doing this every 6 months. If they try and force it, I think we get significant civil unrest.
6. He's an arrogant ass that's bad at his job. If Biden wants to save his presidency and reset the COVID response, he has to throw Fauci (deservedly or not deservedly) under the bus and reset.
2. fully vaccinated is going to mean boosters. he's saying as much.
3. he's talking out his ass and guessing. there's no data yet to support how long the booster immune response lasts.
4. It's possible repeated booster would be needed to get long lasting protection
5. I know now several people who have been boosted. Many of them have had rough side effects (not debilitating but unpleasant). I think this is their last bite at the apple. Other than the elderly and immunocompromised, a significant amount of the people I've asked about this said it makes them feel so bad they are NOT doing this every 6 months. If they try and force it, I think we get significant civil unrest.
6. He's an arrogant ass that's bad at his job. If Biden wants to save his presidency and reset the COVID response, he has to throw Fauci (deservedly or not deservedly) under the bus and reset.
There are a variety of definitions, ranging from it goes away to it simmers at a low level (sort of where Spain was until a few days ago). It does not mean periodic spikes, as is happening in Singapore, Gibraltar, and Iceland.
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Again, who made you the judge? You are then basically admitting to being a shallow, judgmental, gossip. You also seem to have trouble connecting dots.
Periodic spikes may occur in an immune herd as long as enough survive (presumably the "immune" part of the herd) to continue the existence of the herd.
1. All life is high school. Everyone is a judge. You are one of the most judgmental people on these forums...pot, meet kettle.
2. Shallow. Hardly. There is nothing shallow in logic.
3. Judgmental. Absolutely. Again, what forum have you been hanging out with. And again, pot, meet kettle.
4. Gossip. Nope. It's out in the open.
5. And what exactly are you doing with this little turn of phrase. Everything you hate is just a mirror reflection of yourself. Hope you like the view!
If your definition of herd immunity is that the herd survives (which I concede is a valid and accepted definition of herd immunity), herd immunity was achieved in March 2020...this virus never threatened the existence of the herd. dad4: espola says it's time to ditch the masks and lift all restrictions and we should have done it back in March 2020.
You still misunderstand herd immunity.
Look back a few pages to find EvilGoalie's paper on R. It has a clear definition and explanation of herd immunity, among many other things.
On the other hand, if you're too busy to learn the proper definition, maybe you should stop using the phrase.
There's a difference between feeling safe and actually being safe. Meanwhile, kids, small business owners and their employees, cancer patients etc are sorry. Better safe than sorry is a nice sentiment but its not good public health policy.
There a bunch of definitions floating around out there. One keyed on R is only one of them. But in none of them are there spikes like is happening in the relevant jurisidictions. I'm not the one that doesn't understand that. You are.
Learn the definition first.
Then think about what happens when you change behavior or change the disease.
Singapore's recent case rates are completely consistent with a place which was herd immune, then experienced a change to R.
It definitely is not proof that herd immunity is somehow impossible.
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Hate is a waste of time.
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“Health policy” vs good for business?
Definitions. Plural. Espola's in particular is technically correct also but very cute.
You are proposing a floating one keyed to your old favorite R. 1. That's not what Fauci's definition means (his was keyed to zero COVID though he has since revised it as in the interview outlined about, 2. if it's keyed to behavior it's not herd immunity...any definition to obtain general acceptance requires going back to pre-COVID, not a new normal however much of a paradise that new normal is for people like how., 3. It's not proof...I still think it might be possible with natural immunity but I'm open to Dr. John's idea that it's not....but it's a damn good evidence that masks + vaccination doesn't get us there.
Physician heal thyself. You are one of the biggest spewers of it so put your house in order before complaining to me.
kickingandscreaming
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I had to laugh but I always come back to the fact that it's hard to hate a good dog. They always love their owner and never tell them that they are wrong no matter how big a jackass the owner happens to be. Although, we did see the "confused" dog in Australia that correctly identified the unjustified aggression. Yeah, that's just another reason to draw the line at dogs
.kickingandscreaming
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He wastes a LOT of time.
I love that dog.I had to laugh but I always come back to the fact that it's hard to hate a good dog. They always love their owner and never tell them that they are wrong no matter how big a jackass the owner happens to be. Although, we did see the "confused" dog in Australia that correctly identified the unjustified aggression. Yeah, that's just another reason to draw the line at dogs
My dog by contrast is an ass that always tells me I'm wrong and almost got me tasered because of his behavior.
kickingandscreaming
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Well, I get my Covid booster tomorrow and flu shot on Saturday. For some strange reason, it took over 15 minutes to set up the appointments last week. They allow getting both at the same time if you can find a spot that does both and has openings. It didn't help that CA hasn't approved mixing vaccines yet so I had to get a Pfizer booster. I was actually hoping to get a Moderna booster so @watfly couldn't keep holding it over my head that his vaccine is better than mine. Not really but it would have been sooner and at the same time if they would have allowed me to take Moderna.