Bruddah IZ
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- Thread starter Multi Sport
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Sure. And your conclusion is valid in any jurisdiction with more than 30 annual tourists per local resident.
It just does not apply to the 99.9% of the world‘s population which doesn’t live in a tourist trap.
Dude, you moved the goalpost. You've basically said even if a population is 100% vaxxed, herd immunity isn't possible if there are people coming in from other areas that aren't 100% vaxxed.
You've destroyed your Martha's Vineyard argument (think of the weekend daytrippers there in the summer). You've said San Diego and Texas can't reach herd immunity given the border crossing (which for them is a huge deal than lumping in Missouri's population to say 1 border crossing per 330 residents). You are also saying then for New York City herd immunity is impossible unless the residents of surrounding New York, Connecticut, and New Jersey are fully vaccinated (even though they also are overwhelmingly day commuters just like in Gibraltar).
You are saying that herd immunity is impossible while there is a large motion of people (even if those people don't stay overnight in the location, as in Gibraltar). So we've gone from 70%, to 85% to 90% to 100% to 100%+ everyone in travel distance to get to herd immunity. You may as well say there's no such thing until everyone in the globe is vaccinated because you know what, people travel. Do you ever get tired of pushing those big goals around the field???
Bruddah IZ
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And she’s hot too!! You can’t vaccinate away Behar ugly. The View is welk known for their flat earth opinions.
I am saying Gibraltar doesn’t count as a “population” for purposes of epidemiology. Too small and too porous.
New York and Texas? Neither one is all that small. If New York City had 8 million daily commuters, or Texas had 20 million daily commuters, then they’d look like Gibraltar and you’d be right. But they don’t, and you’re not.
Desert Hound
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The question you are avoiding is why are cases skyrocketing in a population that is about 100% vaxxed?
What does that say about the vaxx?
It tells you breakthrough cases are not rare.
Or stupid, but the ugliest thing about her is her personality.
At the last police shooting she said the cop just should have shot in the air.
kickingandscreaming
PREMIER
Does any critically thinking individual take anything from our media outlets at face value? As they attempt to reign in the other extreme, their own earned lack of credibility continues to drive people toward it.
What does it say? Nothing. With millions of visitors and 33K locals, it’s all noise and no signal. Even the vax rate is all noise. A tiny fraction of people getting vaccinated while on holiday would be enough to mess up the counts.
If you want to know whether breakthrough cases are rare, take a look at Watfly’s MN page. SCC also breaks out the vaccinated case rate from the unvax. For SCC, the jab reduces your odds of a positive test by about 82%: from 33.7 per 100K to 6.2 per 100K.
It’s an 80% reduction. I’ll let you worry about whether that counts as “rare” or not.
Bruddah IZ
DA
The herd is nearly 8 billion worldwide.
It's always something. Whenever you don't like the solution, you always wave it away (like Los Angeles and your preferred solution). How about Singapore (that one's great because they had masks + vaccination)? Iceland? The UK itself? Waive away.
whatithink
GOLD
Apparently daily border traffic between Gibraltar & Spain alone is about 10K people, which is a third of the population of Gibraltar. Spain does have very high vaccination rates also mind.
The graph is a bit weird, probably as its scaling per million for a place with a population of 33,000. The vaccination rate is apparently at 120% with the cases at 1500. The maximum cases ever there was 1300 and the current is 475, or 1.4% of the population.
whatithink
GOLD
It doesn't, the highest case count was 3 times that number.
Gibraltar COVID: 6,634 Cases and 98 Deaths - Worldometer (worldometers.info)
Hüsker Dü
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It’s easier to label others as the fearful . . . makes one feel better about the decisions they would want to make for others.
This is hilarious. The host thinks her guest is going to go one way and bash Donald Trump and he goes completely a different way she didn't contemplate....
Hüsker Dü
DA
Assuming the situation of others and wanting to decide how they should live their lives is the realm of the presumptuous. You never know what someone else’s experiences have been.
Singapore?
You mean the country that has fewer than 600 covid deaths and a population of almost 6 million people? The country which has fewer than 5% as many covid deaths per capita as the US? The incredibly densely populated country which managed to almost entirely avoid covid mortality? That Singapore?
They wore masks, then got vaccinated, then opened up. They’re already past their delta peak, and still have almost no deaths.
I don’t think you could possibly have chosen a worse example to make a case against vaccines and masks.
Hüsker Dü
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People do many things they feel will keep them from harm that may be unnecessary, that doesn’t necessarily make them “irrational” does it? I’d list them but that would be redundant.
Err look at the spike. The spike's duration was the roughly same as every other country including Australia that went through it.
And they've gotten the same plateau as England. Nice try.
Singapore COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer
Singapore Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.
www.worldometers.info
p.s. why are you bringing up deaths? You think masks now are a magic talisman against deaths if people fall ill? I think you and I agree that the vaccines are very useful in reducing the death rate. Where we disagree is whether vaccination (whether alone or coupled with masks) is enough to bring cases into herd immunity. Nothing in the Singapore numbers is useful to you making that case. Seriously, at this point you are just sticking your fingers in your ears and just wishing things operate like you wish they do.
How do you know what they were expecting?