Who are they harming? If someone wants to wear a mask inside their car, what business is it of mine?
Might even be rational. As far as I know, It’s a Lyft driver who is in between passengers.
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Might even be rational. As far as I know, It’s a Lyft driver who is in between passengers.
kickingandscreaming
PREMIER
Who said anything about harming? I said it's irrational - specifically about the risks of COVID which leads directly to the acceptance of irrational mandates. Of the four examples I gave, you selected a special case of one of them. If only you were as critically analytical of real life as you are of lab results.
Desert Hound
DA
It is simply idiotic to drive around wearing a mask.
But that brings up a question since you defend the practice. Should we assume you wear a mask in your car?
Credit to Newsom where credit is due. But you then also have to give credit to DeSantis for taking early steps to fortify Florida's nursing homes and the retirement communities there.
Desert Hound
DA
So...then we have this...
Is it rare (breakthroughs)? Seems like it might not be.
Of the 89 total infections, 87 people were fully vaccinated, the nursing home said.
www.nbcconnecticut.com
Is it rare (breakthroughs)? Seems like it might not be.
Of the 89 total infections, 87 people were fully vaccinated, the nursing home said.
8 Dead, Dozens Infected With COVID-19 Due to Outbreak at Connecticut Nursing Home
Eight people are dead and just shy of 100 more have become infected with COVID-19 after an outbreak at a Connecticut nursing home.
www.nbcconnecticut.com
Desert Hound
DA
DeSantis gets a ton of credit.
Lets us count the ways.
Schools were open.
Biz was open.
If you had a kid or a biz which state would you rather have been in? CA or FL?
If you believe the environment is harmed by single use plastic bags or plastic straws, there is a harm...creating more pollution.
if the argument is that it's not single use, well then it's even more irrational because the only thing less effective than wearing a cloth or surgical mask in a car alone is reusing the cloth or surgical mask alone.
So...then we have this...
Is it rare (breakthroughs)? Seems like it might not be.
Of the 89 total infections, 87 people were fully vaccinated, the nursing home said.
8 Dead, Dozens Infected With COVID-19 Due to Outbreak at Connecticut Nursing Home
Eight people are dead and just shy of 100 more have become infected with COVID-19 after an outbreak at a Connecticut nursing home.
This lends credence to the data out of the UK that not only protection against infection but also protection against severe illness (while still better than not being vaxxed) is also waning. While an 11% CFR is certainly better than what it was for this age group prior to the vaccine, it's not great.
Harm to other people is the core disagreement here.
I believe that the anti-mask, anti-vax actions actually do cause harm to other people. That's why I support mask and vax requirements in public places.
You, I would guess, believe that declining to wear a mask or be vaccinated does not harm other people, and that therefore mandates are unreasonable.
I do not wear a mask in the car when by myself.
However, I see no reason to insult someone else for doing so. As before, they are not causing any harm to other people.
Those who chose to skip masks during fall 2020? They did cause harm to other people.
See the difference?
you are not phrasing the argument properly. It's not that declining to wear a mask or be vaccinated does not harm other people. It's that wearing a mask or being vaccinated does little to protect others and therefore should not be coerced, particularly in circumstances where the harm outweighs the benefit.
And as usual your formulation of your side of the issue (again) completely fails to account for costs. There is also a distinction between SHOULD get vaccinated (particularly if you are at risk and haven't had it) and COERCE to get vaccinated
p.s. I thought you had said you weren't in favor of mandates? Reversed yourself?
kickingandscreaming
PREMIER
No, my point is that people who are irrational about an issue do not make good policies around that issue. It's really not hard to understand if you WANT to understand it. So, I guess your fear is driving your inability to understand that.
Desert Hound
DA
Who skipped? Masks were pretty much mandated everywhere. Compliance was very high.
Unfortunately masks outside of signaling do not do much to stop the spread of the virus. They have marginal effectiveness...ie in the range of 10% reduction. In other words not enough to stop the spread in any meaningful way.
N95s? Totally different story.
Bruddah IZ
DA
Denying folks viral updates is a part of the tyranny you approve of.
Not sure I agree with you on 10%. More importantly, you and I differ about the value of a 10% change to transmissibility.
To me, 10% is a sizable fraction of a solution. Roughly 1/11 of what we needed to do back then.
If you believe the 40% estimates, then it was almost half of what we needed to do.
Either way, it wasn‘t going to stop covid on its own, but it was certainly a step worth taking.
Unlike, say, taking down all the basketball hoops. That was a step which caused harm.
Bruddah IZ
DA
Harm? Viral updates are getting us to a world population of 8 billion. The old and or immune compromised die off whether there is a pandemic or not. We don't need ignorant and arrogant experts telling us otherwise. There is too much evidence out there to refute the flat earth beliefs that you people hold.
I expected some follow-on to this. Let's see -- Grace stated that some research topics are taboo, I asked for examples, the example provided by watfly was breakthrough infections, which I pointed out is not true. Shall we continue from there?
Grace -- which topics are taboo?
Bruddah IZ
DA
So much for vax efficacy.
Bruddah IZ
DA
Newsome doesn't deserve any credit for decisions he made with no skin in the game. Why was he or any other unelected official even involved in the decision to mortally jeopardize peoples lives? People with skin in the game should have been able to make their own individual decisions. I'm not cutting socialist any slack. Especially for Mr. "Seasonality" when it suits him.