what-happened
GOLD
My error? interesting take.
Vaccine
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"Breakthrough infections. I found that the Minnesota health department was tracking it (which I posted), but I really couldn't find much besides that."
So?
The original sentiment was spot on. Failure to reduce transmission did lead to higher deaths among the elderly.
I know it makes people feel uncomfortable. That doesn’t mean it is false.
Well if this holds up this is a complete disaster. Breakthrough infections both due to the Delta and waning immunity with time no where in the vicinity of 'rare". Natural immunity is as robust as vaccination but also fading with time. Protection against severe disease also not as robust as previously thought and waning with time. Antibody response in 90%+ of the UK population over 18, no herd immunity. Herd immunity is a chimera. The virus is not only endemic but will cause a not minimal amount of hospitalization and death for some time to come.
Well if this plays out that's the whole ball of wax. We're down to just a handful of options: the pills finally turn this thing around, boosters (which get mandated and the resulting social unrest....but that assumes the booster immunity doesn't fade....if double infection natural immunity doesn't do it it's hard pressed logically to think a vaccine booster will do it), just accept this is the state we are stuck with for some time to come at least until more perfect vaccines can be developed.
I have now no doubt that the definition of fully vaccinated is going to be changed to must be boosted.
There's also a possible dystopian nightmare on the horizon....the situation requires repeated boosters and they are unable to either roll out the pills or they aren't as effective as thought. At that point, I think much of the population says Fit and we have active civil conflict which will dwarf the scope of the current protests. Not saying that it's likely....just that it's now on the table as one possible future.
The bleakest thing about it is as we near the 2 year mark, just short of accepting our fate and moving on, this is unlikely to end even by the 3rd year mark if this holds up.
Well if this plays out that's the whole ball of wax. We're down to just a handful of options: the pills finally turn this thing around, boosters (which get mandated and the resulting social unrest....but that assumes the booster immunity doesn't fade....if double infection natural immunity doesn't do it it's hard pressed logically to think a vaccine booster will do it), just accept this is the state we are stuck with for some time to come at least until more perfect vaccines can be developed.
I have now no doubt that the definition of fully vaccinated is going to be changed to must be boosted.
There's also a possible dystopian nightmare on the horizon....the situation requires repeated boosters and they are unable to either roll out the pills or they aren't as effective as thought. At that point, I think much of the population says Fit and we have active civil conflict which will dwarf the scope of the current protests. Not saying that it's likely....just that it's now on the table as one possible future.
The bleakest thing about it is as we near the 2 year mark, just short of accepting our fate and moving on, this is unlikely to end even by the 3rd year mark if this holds up.
Hüsker Dü
DA
I remember all I got from the doctor for being a good boy and taking my shot was a lollipop!
what-happened
GOLD
When was I talking about breakthrough infections and the MN health department? You must have me confused with someone else.
Besides, "breakthrough" infections are so circa AUG 2021. Only media talking heads and their worshippers use this silly term. They are infections and should be treated as such. The virus is continuing to circulate, increasingly amongst the vaccinated crowd. The whole waning thing is a thing. If you've had your "shots" and haven't been boosted...well, you may be subjected to a "breakthrough" infection. Or you can hunker down, wait until you get boosted, and jam on for 4-6 months or so, then hunker down, get boosted...and....well, you see the drill..
Boosters for life or leave our kingdom. Jabs & Boosters look to wane away from 90% effectiveness to 70% after 6 months. Dr. Fraud says you need to boost up around 6 month period to get the Mix in your blood cells at the highest level. Basically, if you want to play in our play pin, you need to jab and boosters forever. You must obey & submit to those WHO know best for your life.
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Bruddah IZ
DA
Methodology? Lol! Mandates nullify methodology.
kickingandscreaming
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kickingandscreaming
PREMIER
Interestingly, it also makes irrationally fearful adults more comfortable about irrational mandates.
what-happened
GOLD
Failure to listen to experts (not the ones on tv, but the ones that actually have a job) led to the faster deaths of the elderly. How quickly we forget about decisions in states that led to unneccessary deaths in the elderly.
Good point. I confused two posters, for which I apologize.
It was in the play book. Death=fear. Fear is the virus, moo
Humility from Espola, it's miracle. I see light folks at the end of the tunnel for Espola
Desert Hound
DA
One has to assume boosters will fade as well.
Unless they come up with a new type of vaxx, the solution will be better treatments.
Desert Hound
DA
Says the guy the constantly used a variation of that phrase all the time.
You might want to make an actual argument there, instead of just labelling other people as irrational and fearful.
kickingandscreaming
PREMIER
Do you even look out your window in SC County? I see kids walking to school every day for many blocks wearing masks. Every day I see single individuals in cars wearing masks. I still see bicyclists out on the trail wearing masks. There are surveys showing outrageously overestimated hospitalization risk by a large portion of the "blue" population. The irrationality is all around you. You just don't want to see it. There's irrationality on the other side as well but the media covers that. When it comes to people holding on to wearing masks, we get the "give people time to get over their trauma" articles without stating the obvious - they are traumatized AND irrational.
I assume you’re referring to Cuomo and Levine returning known covid patients to nursing homes. That decision killed a lot of people.
The flip side is you have to give some credit to Newsom. California very briefly copied the Cuomo/Levine policy of returning people to nursing homes. Nursing home operators and epidemiologists screamed bloody murder, and the policy was quickly revoked.