Vaccine

Grace T. said:
It does tell us one thing: breakthrough infections aren't "rare". True, it is entirely possible that a quarter if you throw it will come up heads 90/100 times....but it's not probable that such is the result on a cumulative basis. If breakthrough infections were "rare", you wouldn't have 40% of the team out at one time plus a few of the coaches.

p.s. again, not hard proof, but it is an anecdotal indication
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Considering they shut down playgrounds in LA nine months into the pandemic without any evidence of transmission at playgrounds, anecdotal evidence is pretty good. We are seeing the continued approach of "mandates without evidence" in terms of the exclusion of non-vaccinated individuals who already had COVID. At least we are consistent in not requiring evidence for mandates. This guy has an interesting take.

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dad4 said:
Completely agree that it is age, health, and vaccination all together. These guys were very low risk for multiple reasons
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And yet we pretend they need to be vaxxed.

A large group also pretend that kids need to be vaxxed.

The vast vast majority of people could avoid the vax and still be fine.

There really are only a couple of groups that have a risk factor to be worried about.

Not anti vax. Certain groups need it. The rest? Doesn't really matter .

The sooner the powers that be realize the virus isn't going anywhere and only certain groups have any real risk, we will finally move on.
 
Grace T. said:
It does tell us one thing: breakthrough infections aren't "rare". True, it is entirely possible that a quarter if you throw it will come up heads 90/100 times....but it's not probable that such is the result on a cumulative basis. If breakthrough infections were "rare", you wouldn't have 40% of the team out at one time plus a few of the coaches.

p.s. again, not hard proof, but it is an anecdotal indication
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It tells you no such thing.

If all ten players went to the same poorly ventilated strip club, it may just mean that they all ten had an unusually high exposure.

That tells you nothing about the prevalence of breakthrough cases outside that one club.

(You're assuming all ten coin flips are independent. The odds are different if the coins are linked together )
 
dad4 said:
It tells you no such thing.

If all ten players went to the same poorly ventilated strip club, it may just mean that they all ten had an unusually high exposure.

That tells you nothing about the prevalence of breakthrough cases outside that one club.

(You're assuming all ten coin flips are independent. The odds are different if the coins are linked together )
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As I said it is possible that a quarter flips 90/100 heads

It is highly unlikely. And 40% is not rare. Based on this anecdote, what limited data we have in front of us (but nevertheless there) as well as the other anecdotes and circumstances we have all heard, you’d think at this point you’d be willing to concede that breakthrough are not “rare”.
 
EvilGoalie 21 said:
Maybe. I guess in the end it really seems to be all about wanting to win some kind of internet argument with team this and team that. It's too bad really.
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it’s because both teams View each other as causing actual harm. Remember kill grandma and dad4s accusations here about passing on bad medical advice? On team panic you guys have been actively, for one thing, screwing with the kids and robbing them of their childhoods for what may very well turn out to be little reason (especially given how wrong team panic has been about things from day 1)
 
Grace T. said:
it’s because both teams View each other as causing actual harm. Remember kill grandma and dad4s accusations here about passing on bad medical advice? On team panic you guys have been actively, for one thing, screwing with the kids and robbing them of their childhoods for what may very well turn out to be little reason (especially given how wrong team panic has been about things from day 1)
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Kill grandma? Guess that was before I jumped on the thread.
 
Desert Hound said:
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The Covid Children’s Crusade

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Hahaha!

In a sane era, no ethics review board would allow doctors to bribe young children to undergo a treatment with unknown dangers and minuscule benefits. But medical ethics are just one more casualty of the Covid pandemic, as Bill de Blasio cheerfully demonstrated at a recent press conference. New York’s mayor announced that children aged five and older would get $100 for being vaccinated against Covid—and then he made a direct pitch to those too young to appreciate the size of the city’s bribe.

“It buys a whole lot of candy,” the mayor explained.
 
kickingandscreaming said:
Hahaha!

In a sane era, no ethics review board would allow doctors to bribe young children to undergo a treatment with unknown dangers and minuscule benefits. But medical ethics are just one more casualty of the Covid pandemic, as Bill de Blasio cheerfully demonstrated at a recent press conference. New York’s mayor announced that children aged five and older would get $100 for being vaccinated against Covid—and then he made a direct pitch to those too young to appreciate the size of the city’s bribe.

“It buys a whole lot of candy,” the mayor explained.
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This is insane!!!
 
Grace T. said:
As I said it is possible that a quarter flips 90/100 heads

It is highly unlikely. And 40% is not rare. Based on this anecdote, what limited data we have in front of us (but nevertheless there) as well as the other anecdotes and circumstances we have all heard, you’d think at this point you’d be willing to concede that breakthrough are not “rare”.
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You're still assuming that all ten cases were independent.

If those ten people were in the same room, it's not unlikely at all.

If you want to know whether breakthrough infections are unusual, take a look at Watfly's Minnesota page or Espola's CDC page. Much better evidence than some Canadian Hockey team. And it's numeric, instead of merely "rare/not rare".
 
dad4 said:
You're still assuming that all ten cases were independent.
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Why do you assume they are not?

We have had now over a yr and a half of watching teams and covid.

College teams hang out and yet we really haven't seen a large number on any one team go down.

Same thing on the pros where they spend considerable time together.

I lean towards breakthrough because we know the vaxx effectiveness drops rapidly.
 
Grace T. said:
it’s because both teams View each other as causing actual harm. Remember kill grandma and dad4s accusations here about passing on bad medical advice? On team panic you guys have been actively, for one thing, screwing with the kids and robbing them of their childhoods for what may very well turn out to be little reason (especially given how wrong team panic has been about things from day 1)
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"Kill grandma" was never a claim by either side.

It was your attempt to mock anyone who pointed out that high rates of community spread would lead to more deaths among the elderly.
 
dad4 said:
"Kill grandma" was never a claim by either side.

It was your attempt to mock anyone who pointed out that high rates of community spread would lead to more deaths among the elderly.
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That’s a dog face dirty lie. The word “grandma” was used by several posters on this forum not to mention on other internet places like Twitter. Even if the word grandma wasn’t used the accusation was thrown around using other words Such as elderly. The sentiment was clear: people on team panic accused us of recklessly endangering the elderly. I myself used the mocking term because I was accused of wanting to kill my kids grandparents.
 
dad4 said:
You're still assuming that all ten cases were independent.

If those ten people were in the same room, it's not unlikely at all.

If you want to know whether breakthrough infections are unusual, take a look at Watfly's Minnesota page or Espola's CDC page. Much better evidence than some Canadian Hockey team. And it's numeric, instead of merely "rare/not rare".
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Rare is the term the cdc is using which is why I’m challenging you on it. You back them or not?

it doesn’t matter if they were all in one room or not. If the shot is failing 40% of the time and this is not the only case, then that’s not rare. Yousay That it doesn’t mean breakthroughs are 40%. That is true. But if they were rare 40%would be highly unlikely
 
Desert Hound said:
www.city-journal.org

The Covid Children’s Crusade

In a sane era, no ethics review board would allow doctors to bribe young children to undergo a treatment with unknown dangers and minuscule benefits. But medical ethics are just one more casualty of the Covid pandemic, as Bill de Blasio cheerfully demonstrated at a recent press conference. New...
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Bribery is the only thing the Left has left. When your policies suck (that's a technical term) then you have to pay people off. At least the Right is more creative when they do it. This is an all time low and another assault on parental rights.
 
watfly said:
Bribery is the only thing the Left has left. When your policies suck (that's a technical term) then you have to pay people off. At least the Right is more creative when they do it. This is an all time low and another assault on parental rights.
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When did this become an issue for the "Left"? Isn't this the Trump Vaccine?
 
Grace T. said:
That’s a dog face dirty lie. The word “grandma” was used by several posters on this forum not to mention on other internet places like Twitter. Even if the word grandma wasn’t used the accusation was thrown around using other words Such as elderly. The sentiment was clear: people on team panic accused us of recklessly endangering the elderly. I myself used the mocking term because I was accused of wanting to kill my kids grandparents.
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I believe Husker/EOTL used "abuela"
 
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