Vaccine

"With their draconian measures focused on one thing, stopping COVID cases at all costs instead of considering all of health harms, and a shocking lack of critical thinking about the science, this was a reckless abuse of public health and a moral failure in what should be expected from public health leaders," Atlas said. "Inflicting enormous harms with lockdowns and restrictions, they failed to protect the elderly, they failed to stop the spread of the infection, they failed to stop the deaths - all the while destroying lower income families and sacrificing the health of our children, while sparing the affluent and the elite."

Atlas added that "trust in America’s institutions has been severely damaged."

"Science itself has been politicized, while universities and the media prohibit the free exchange of ideas necessary to solve future crises," Atlas said.
 
"Science itself has been politicized, while universities and the media prohibit the free exchange of ideas necessary to solve future crises," Atlas said.
This is what the anti-immune system folks willingly ignore in their studies. Free exchange of ideas are useless if you're going to mandate and escalate draconian policies.
 
This is what the anti-immune system folks willingly ignore in their studies. Free exchange of ideas are useless if you're going to mandate and escalate draconian policies.
This was all planned to destroy the middle class and the very foundation of our country. This place was set up to allow ALL citizens a chance at freedom and expression. No freedom unless you obey and take jabs and boosters forever. This is insane. The fence sitters just sit there and allow this.
 
This was all planned to destroy the middle class and the very foundation of our country. This place was set up to allow ALL citizens a chance at freedom and expression. No freedom unless you obey and take jabs and boosters forever. This is insane. The fence sitters just sit there and allow this.
Not just our country. Novus Ordo Seclorum
 
Reflecting here on moral responsibility, I have referred to "we." For it has never occurred to me that the moral responsibility falls much less heavily on those of us on the American left than it fell on Comrade Stalin and those who replicated his feats in one country after another. And I am afraid that some of that moral responsibility falls on the "democratic socialists," "radical democrats," and other left wingers who endlessly denounced Stalinism but could usually be counted on to support— "critically," of course—the essentials of our political line on world and national affairs.--Genovese
 
You have posted, and misrepresented, quite a few studies by now.

If I didn't respond to your characterization of the Texas study, it just means I no longer believe you when you post a study.
“You say things I don’t like and point out things about the study I don’t like. I don’t want to hear them so I’m just going to say you lie when you post a study and everything will be alright”.
 
If chasing data is what you're after it is hard to believe that in the most intensely studied public health event in human history you'd be left grasping at straws. I punched "ivermectin COVID" into PubMed and got 300+ hits. Plenty to chew on, so to speak. There's good money in repurposed drugs too. FDA approval for a new use is a hell of a lot cheaper. But from what you say I rather get the sense that the pandemic has been more like one big X-files episode for you. I think there is this one show where Scully is like "as a physician I am here to tell you the internet is not good for you".
Meh. There’s censorship. People have even come out and admitted they are self censoring for fear of there careers. That’s not science. That’s politics.
 
Reports this am that the Uk this morning Is considering changing the definition of fully vaxxed to include mandatory boosters. There’s been a heated debate in England over those that have been pushing boosters (but wanted to keep restrictions in place until everyone can get a mandated booster) and those that have been pushing a vaccine+ natural immunity approach. Looks like they are circling on “let’s marry both”.
 
Meh. There’s censorship. People have even come out and admitted they are self censoring for fear of there careers. That’s not science. That’s politics.
That's socialism. Many years ago when I was posting about Venezuela, there were many who said that Venezuela couldn't happen in the U.S., until it did.
 
Meh. There’s censorship. People have even come out and admitted they are self censoring for fear of there careers. That’s not science. That’s politics.

Meh. Peer review is generally more self-policing, not censorship. There's enough crap that gets through as it is. Journals hold little power anymore, except for the very top echelon. if you go far enough down the food chain as long as it's got a pulse somebody will be willing to publish it. The politics come in more with respect to funding, not pubs. And yeah that's a problem but welcome to life right. Works the other way around too, you can become beholden to the hand that feeds you. Better to stay on the poorer side and fight the good fight. So in this big cabal you're chasing down, we've got the CDC, the cigarette smoking man, who else is out there keeping the Truth hidden away, silencing these people you speak of? Seems like defining your enemy should be your first step. I mean, if you really believe this you could be emailing those people, what did they know, attack the belly from below.
 
What’s horrifying about calls to bar unvaccinated five year olds from public spaces is the fact that this is being done to assauge the irrational anxieties of middle-aged adults.--G. Campbell
 
Meh. Peer review is generally more self-policing, not censorship. There's enough crap that gets through as it is. Journals hold little power anymore, except for the very top echelon. if you go far enough down the food chain as long as it's got a pulse somebody will be willing to publish it. The politics come in more with respect to funding, not pubs. And yeah that's a problem but welcome to life right. Works the other way around too, you can become beholden to the hand that feeds you. Better to stay on the poorer side and fight the good fight. So in this big cabal you're chasing down, we've got the CDC, the cigarette smoking man, who else is out there keeping the Truth hidden away, silencing these people you speak of? Seems like defining your enemy should be your first step. I mean, if you really believe this you could be emailing those people, what did they know, attack the belly from below.

it's not the peer review which is even the entirety of the problem. It's that certain subjects are even taboo to be studied.
 
it's not the peer review which is even the entirety of the problem. It's that certain subjects are even taboo to be studied.

Ivermectin, masks? PubMed it for yourself. Tons of stuff. What are these taboo subjects? If extant studies ignore those subjects why do you keep focusing on the extant studies? I mean I quit reading all the cohort studies based on the little excercise we went through yesterday. But its not because they are somehow tainted or corrupted. They are just unable to track the relevant variables between the cohorts so its a big hot mess. But people keep doing it because they can publish it and if you can't generate heat generate noise. Whose enforcing these taboos? I guess it could be some kind of multi-national gestalt built into the very fabric of science itself but you seem to think it is a more insidious process.

You seem to be putting considerable effort into this, which is laudable. I mean if you can absorb info quickly and all that great. But if that information is corrupted, tainted or whatever you could read every single reference and not be getting to where you want to go with what you seem to be doing, which is effectively taking on an effort to evaluate a set of broad intersecting research fields. The CDC does it on one side with their considerable resources, Grace does it on the other. But for you maybe its barking up the wrong tree. If there are people with faces and names out there that are saying "I'm being silenced" that would seem to be your logical entry point. Contact them. That is how you will find out what you want to know. I'll stop. My apologies really. I just find what you are purporting to do interesting but yet at the same time in a kind of internal conflict with itself. But please keep going. If you are driven to search for hidden things, you just have to game up and go.
 
Ivermectin, masks? PubMed it for yourself. Tons of stuff. What are these taboo subjects? If extant studies ignore those subjects why do you keep focusing on the extant studies? I mean I quit reading all the cohort studies based on the little excercise we went through yesterday. But its not because they are somehow tainted or corrupted. They are just unable to track the relevant variables between the cohorts so its a big hot mess. But people keep doing it because they can publish it and if you can't generate heat generate noise. Whose enforcing these taboos? I guess it could be some kind of multi-national gestalt built into the very fabric of science itself but you seem to think it is a more insidious process.

You seem to be putting considerable effort into this, which is laudable. I mean if you can absorb info quickly and all that great. But if that information is corrupted, tainted or whatever you could read every single reference and not be getting to where you want to go with what you seem to be doing, which is effectively taking on an effort to evaluate a set of broad intersecting research fields. The CDC does it on one side with their considerable resources, Grace does it on the other. But for you maybe its barking up the wrong tree. If there are people with faces and names out there that are saying "I'm being silenced" that would seem to be your logical entry point. Contact them. That is how you will find out what you want to know. I'll stop. My apologies really. I just find what you are purporting to do interesting but yet at the same time in a kind of internal conflict with itself. But please keep going. If you are driven to search for hidden things, you just have to game up and go.

It's not a nefarious plot....it's the incentives. Now we're into the realm of economics and the impact of incentives on human behavior. In terms of the structure, there has been a lot of money to be made out of COVID. From the beginning, for example, Fauci heavily funneled money into studying vaccines, less money to study new drugs, and almost no money for repurposed medicines. Have you asked yourself why?

Masks are a similar story. Remember the story of lockdowns (at least in the west excluding the very severe initial lockdowns imposed by some of the Europeans) has been that white collar workers basically work from home, but blue collar workers (ranging not just in supermarkets and pharmacies garbage fire police and medical offices/hospitals, but also pot shops, liquor stores, constructions, plumbing, heading/air, fast food, restaurant take out, factories, and even retail) had to keep working. So you had the well off basically able to isolate but the not so well off forced to work. Needless to say some of the "essential workers" (among which remember teachers were too scared to work) were worried about spending long hours with coworkers and magically the government came out with "masks are better than vaccines"...and when the Danish study came out, it was pulled from publication twice (which the authors the study themselves attributed to the fact that there was censorship).

Then remember there was the entire CDC school reopenings guidance and it turned out one group which was drafting it was the teachers unions.

I know you might like to think that science is this purity, but when it gets mixed in with politics it's not, and it's terribly naive of you to assume it is (no doubt because being a part of that group, you want to think the best of it). It's not a grand conspiracy theory, but it does have to do with human incentives...and as I told dad4 before: I'm not interested in preaching....preachers have their role in society....I'm also not interested in the purity of the science....that's what people in the field are for....what I'm interested in is policy, but because of the failure of science, we are left with a paucity of conclusions, so lot's of people are guessing, and more often than not, those on team panic/safety have been more wrong than rightl
 
Ivermectin, masks? PubMed it for yourself. Tons of stuff. What are these taboo subjects? If extant studies ignore those subjects why do you keep focusing on the extant studies? I mean I quit reading all the cohort studies based on the little excercise we went through yesterday. But its not because they are somehow tainted or corrupted. They are just unable to track the relevant variables between the cohorts so its a big hot mess. But people keep doing it because they can publish it and if you can't generate heat generate noise. Whose enforcing these taboos? I guess it could be some kind of multi-national gestalt built into the very fabric of science itself but you seem to think it is a more insidious process.

You seem to be putting considerable effort into this, which is laudable. I mean if you can absorb info quickly and all that great. But if that information is corrupted, tainted or whatever you could read every single reference and not be getting to where you want to go with what you seem to be doing, which is effectively taking on an effort to evaluate a set of broad intersecting research fields. The CDC does it on one side with their considerable resources, Grace does it on the other. But for you maybe its barking up the wrong tree. If there are people with faces and names out there that are saying "I'm being silenced" that would seem to be your logical entry point. Contact them. That is how you will find out what you want to know. I'll stop. My apologies really. I just find what you are purporting to do interesting but yet at the same time in a kind of internal conflict with itself. But please keep going. If you are driven to search for hidden things, you just have to game up and go.
Yeah, the entry point is MANDATE first, figure out the Science later. But alas It Is Difficult to Get a Man to Understand Something When His Salary Depends Upon His Not Understanding It. — Upton..
 
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