Vaccine

[dad4]

Gotcha now, my bad.

I'm all for Darwin principles prevailing, and I don't have a ton of sympathy for those individuals, but I find "dancing on their graves" in order to prove a point on a forum to be disturbing.

I'm pro-vax, but even if I wasn't, I would probably still get a shot for karma reasons even though I know my risks are negligible.

I think it’s less about dancing on graves, and more about undermining the credibility of the people who currently spread anti-vax misinformation. (Crush and Dizzy, for this thread.)

It is “look at this idiot”, but in a context of “and don’t believe the next idiot. get your shot.”

 

[Grace T.]

Who are these "elites"? Does that not include you?

Yes...I'm an apostate.

True story here. I never got along with the honors class in high school. Even though my grade point average was second (the first place guy was a kid whose parents never let him watch television because they felt it would do him harm, and were very strict including never letting him go over to friends houses...they all had to go to him...and he was only allowed to listen to classical and jazz music), I didn't like them very much...I thought they were smug, elitist and arrogant...and I from time to time called them out for their superiority complex. I was mousey and intellectual so even though I ribboned in equestrian and fencing, I wasn't considered one of the jocks either or one of the popular kids, so I fell in among the dweebs and goth types. And they HATED me for that...the fact that I did better than all of them except the No. 1 kid only drove them more crazy about it. For example...there was this space opera called "Roboclash" which the honors class was so in love with....I saw it...it was interesting that it was a cartoon Japanese space opera with some adults themes which was unusual for the time....but the honors class LOVED it and when they cancelled it tried to write to the station to bring it back. I told them that was stupid because it was a syndicated show and that's now how syndicated shows work...it's based on licensing fees and viewership numbers and their stupid letters would not get it back, and BTW why y'all obsessed with a carton...you are juniors in high school surely you have something better to do. Well, that's how it went.

Well, our class president had been class president since freshman year...a volley ball player in the honors class who was also popular. She ran unopposed for school president senior year which left the class presidency open. The jocks nominated someone, and the honors class got behind our No 1., our valedictorian, who ran a facts-oriented pro-administration (they had stolen some student license plates for illegal parking) pro-rule campaign and who also told people he deserved to be president because he was the best. I persuaded my buddy, a slacker who threw some killer parties with booze when his folks were away, to run on an anti-school platform...the admin censored his campaign speech so he stood at the microphone for 2 minutes in silence. The valedictorian tut tutted his behavior and said he was unfit for office... said the slacker would be a disaster organizing prom (which is basically what the class president did...he wasn't a disaster...prom basically organizes itself on a cookie cutter system). Valedictorian gets booed off the stage, my friend the slacker wins, and the honors class is PISSED at me for supporting him, organizing his campaign, and running a campaign that turned the school against the establishment candidates. They basically don't speak to me the remainder of the year.

They always hate the apostates the most.

 

[dad4]

Yes...I'm an apostate.

True story here. I never got along with the honors class in high school. Even though my grade point average was second (the first place guy was a kid whose parents never let him watch television because they felt it would do him harm, and were very strict including never letting him go over to friends houses...they all had to go to him...and he was only allowed to listen to classical and jazz music), I didn't like them very much...I thought they were smug, elitist and arrogant...and I from time to time called them out for their superiority complex. I was mousey and intellectual so even though I ribboned in equestrian and fencing, I wasn't considered one of the jocks either or one of the popular kids, so I fell in among the dweebs and goth types. And they HATED me for that...the fact that I did better than all of them except the No. 1 kid only drove them more crazy about it. For example...there was this space opera called "Roboclash" which the honors class was so in love with....I saw it...it was interesting that it was a cartoon Japanese space opera with some adults themes which was unusual for the time....but the honors class LOVED it and when they cancelled it tried to write to the station to bring it back. I told them that was stupid because it was a syndicated show and that's now how syndicated shows work...it's based on licensing fees and viewership numbers and their stupid letters would not get it back, and BTW why y'all obsessed with a carton...you are juniors in high school surely you have something better to do. Well, that's how it went.

Well, our class president had been class president since freshman year...a volley ball player in the honors class who was also popular. She ran unopposed for school president senior year which left the class presidency open. The jocks nominated someone, and the honors class got behind our No 1., our valedictorian, who ran a facts-oriented pro-administration (they had stolen some student license plates for illegal parking) pro-rule campaign and who also told people he deserved to be president because he was the best. I persuaded my buddy, a slacker who threw some killer parties with booze when his folks were away, to run on an anti-school platform...the admin censored his campaign speech so he stood at the microphone for 2 minutes in silence. The valedictorian tut tutted his behavior and said he was unfit for office... said the slacker would be a disaster organizing prom (which is basically what the class president did...he wasn't a disaster...prom basically organizes itself on a cookie cutter system). Valedictorian gets booed off the stage, my friend the slacker wins, and the honors class is PISSED at me for supporting him, organizing his campaign, and running a campaign that turned the school against the establishment candidates. They basically don't speak to me the remainder of the year.

They always hate the apostates the most.

Senior year slacker for class pres is risky. Many schools, they also organize the reunions. Kind of a president for life position, but without the political prisoners.

 

[what-happened]

I think it’s less about dancing on graves, and more about undermining the credibility of the people who currently spread anti-vax misinformation. (Crush and Dizzy, for this thread.)

It is “look at this idiot”, but in a context of “and don’t believe the next idiot. get your shot.”

Are they really spreading misinformation or do they have an opinion or have made a choice? I certainly agree and know that there is misinformation on vaccines. The examples are all over the place and are quite silly (magnetism, tracking chips, fetal tissue). For the people that buy into that, well, they can't be helped. 12% of the population still refuses to be vaccinated. No amount of morbid rhetoric is going to change that. Kinda like telling patients that smoking will cause lung cancer and eventually kill them - normally doesn't change behavior. And yes, cancer isn't contagious.

I don't think anyone on this thread has mentioned spoons affixed to their forehead. Anyway, this thread has likely run its course, unlike COVID. Pretty soon we are going to be talking about deaths amongst the vaccinated. It's happening and it's on the rise, we just don't like to talk about it.

Everyone will continue to cherry pick data to present their side. What's going to happen when 5-12 years become vaccinated. Vaccines will statistically be even more effective. Imagine that.

 

[Grace T.]

Senior year slacker for class pres is risky. Many schools, they also organize the reunions. Kind of a president for life position, but without the political prisoners.

All life can be explained by high school.

And this also explains our different world perspectives. I'm sure you would have been happy and secure among my particular honors class.

 

[GoldenGate]

Who are these "elites"? Does that not include you?

The only smugness came from the poor schmucks who shit-posted their way their way to their deaths, and from the others here who supported them with their anti-mask/vax bs. Take a stroll through any Herman Cain Award winner's FB feed. She won't do it, because she knows what she says looks very bad in the FB feeds of one dead dumbshit after the next. Grace T. and her ilk are just upset about being confronted with the consequences of their anti-mask/vax shit-posting. No one is dancing on graves, and how would they know anyway given they're pretending the cemeteries where they bury all the bodies don't even exist?

And how ironic of her to denigrate the "elites", when she claims to have written the uzbekistanian constitution, claims to be a "strict constructionist" legal scholar (except when the law says exactly the opposite of the result she wants), has apparently never needed a paying job in her life, and is so comfortable living off the largess of others (probably daddy and her ex), that she can just move to Utah during lockdown to indulge her child's desire to not miss any time on the pitch.

 

[Grace T.]

All life can be explained by high school.

And this also explains our different world perspectives. I'm sure you would have been happy and secure among my particular honors class.

p.s. last I heard my former buddy the slacker had made a bundle during the dot com boom...fell into some hard times with drugs and alcohol and a divorce...but has a fancy big house in your neck of the woods...I'm sure if our high school worked that way (with class presy organizing reunions), his assistant could do a bang up job.

The valedictorian had a killer midlife crisis. Wound up spending his 20s playing with his band. Lesson to tiger parents: don't drive em too hard...barring some killer genes and cultural restraints, the smoke stack almost always blows.

 

[espola]

Senior year slacker for class pres is risky. Many schools, they also organize the reunions. Kind of a president for life position, but without the political prisoners.

The jocks surprised the cool kids who usually ran everything and nominated me for Sophomore class President (I had been the basketball manager, so I guess there was a connection). To my surprise, I won. I didn't do a damn thing. I let the cool kids do whatever they wanted.

 

[Hüsker Dü]

You're one of the reasonable people on this thread, I have a hard time believing you support his rhetoric. He intentionally makes up people's positions so he has something to argue about and spew ad hominems. We should call him Don Quixote since he's always "tilting at windmills".

Sifting through and assessing the clues in here isn’t that difficult. Most on the right in here attempt to tacitly deny science and common sense while acting appalled that anyone would infer such a thing about them. Dad seems to have a pretty good handle on what people are trying hide behind in here . . .

 

[Hüsker Dü]

GG is a bot on a loop. First gen AI.

Ignoring, demonizing, belittling something doesn’t change the reality of it in reality. Only in your perception of it. Good luck with that.

 

[GoldenGate]

Yes...I'm an apostate.

True story here. I never got along with the honors class in high school. Even though my grade point average was second (the first place guy was a kid whose parents never let him watch television because they felt it would do him harm, and were very strict including never letting him go over to friends houses...they all had to go to him...and he was only allowed to listen to classical and jazz music), I didn't like them very much...I thought they were smug, elitist and arrogant...and I from time to time called them out for their superiority complex. I was mousey and intellectual so even though I ribboned in equestrian and fencing, I wasn't considered one of the jocks either or one of the popular kids, so I fell in among the dweebs and goth types. And they HATED me for that...the fact that I did better than all of them except the No. 1 kid only drove them more crazy about it. For example...there was this space opera called "Roboclash" which the honors class was so in love with....I saw it...it was interesting that it was a cartoon Japanese space opera with some adults themes which was unusual for the time....but the honors class LOVED it and when they cancelled it tried to write to the station to bring it back. I told them that was stupid because it was a syndicated show and that's now how syndicated shows work...it's based on licensing fees and viewership numbers and their stupid letters would not get it back, and BTW why y'all obsessed with a carton...you are juniors in high school surely you have something better to do. Well, that's how it went.

Well, our class president had been class president since freshman year...a volley ball player in the honors class who was also popular. She ran unopposed for school president senior year which left the class presidency open. The jocks nominated someone, and the honors class got behind our No 1., our valedictorian, who ran a facts-oriented pro-administration (they had stolen some student license plates for illegal parking) pro-rule campaign and who also told people he deserved to be president because he was the best. I persuaded my buddy, a slacker who threw some killer parties with booze when his folks were away, to run on an anti-school platform...the admin censored his campaign speech so he stood at the microphone for 2 minutes in silence. The valedictorian tut tutted his behavior and said he was unfit for office... said the slacker would be a disaster organizing prom (which is basically what the class president did...he wasn't a disaster...prom basically organizes itself on a cookie cutter system). Valedictorian gets booed off the stage, my friend the slacker wins, and the honors class is PISSED at me for supporting him, organizing his campaign, and running a campaign that turned the school against the establishment candidates. They basically don't speak to me the remainder of the year.

They always hate the apostates the most.

OMG. A grown woman is gloating about being second in her HS class back in the day (where she excelled in equestrian and fencing, the most egalitarian of sports) in the same post in which she is trying to explain how she's just a humble non-elitist. And also gloating about how she helped her entitled, privileged boozing piece of shit drunk friend get elected class president over someone who actually diligently worked hard in school and sports. The lack of self awareness is off the charts.

 

[Hüsker Dü]

I'm not sure how you reach that conclusion based on his rhetoric. We will have to agree to disagree . Carry on.

I also suspect that those singled out on the Reddit thread have made a series of poor health choices, likely the least of which was not getting vaccinated. But neither of us really know their situation.

We may never know how many deaths could be attributed to the influence of these HCA recipients.

 

[watfly]

I think it’s less about dancing on graves, and more about undermining the credibility of the people who currently spread anti-vax misinformation. (Crush and Dizzy, for this thread.)

It is “look at this idiot”, but in a context of “and don’t believe the next idiot. get your shot.”

I'm going to punt my response to Grace's post 3,739.

 

[Desert Hound]

Vaccines will statistically be even more effective. Imagine that.

Actually they won't be statistically more effective.

Right now 450 or so deaths in the under 17 age group that has about 70 million members.

If vaxxes cut that to half...statistically in a group of 70 million it doesn't move the needle one bit.

There really is not need to rush and get them vaxxed before any long term studies can be done.

 

[NorCalDad]

Come on. We are all parents here. You know that if your kid makes a mistake and you let them make it (like forgetting to pack their homework), and then the teacher comes down on them, and you are there pointing at them and saying "that's what you get for not packing your homework" your kid is just going to keep doing the behavior just to spite you. Making things even more political is not impactful. I bet you it changes zero minds and may even make some people so resentful they do the opposite just to spite you. Because when it comes down to it, a lot of us are just overgrown children. There is nothing persuasive about this.

The only thing post like this do is dance on graves: it makes the original poster feel superior and smug because they are right, and the shlub idiot is wrong. It's basically saying: "Look at the idiot...they got what's coming to them...and aren't I great for not being an idiot like that person." It's about the poster, not the message they are trying to convey. And it's another symptom of the smug superiority complex that seems to be rampant in society, particularly among our elites, which then you shouldn't be surprised when you get a counter reaction from people like Trump because people want to give the finger to you right back.

So you're equating kids with adults here in how they process things?

Obviously GG's posts aren't going to do anything here given the echo chamber that exists. But, I do think stories, like those on the subreddits, have likely convinced vax-hesitant folks to get vaccinated. When someone folks look up to falls to this virus, it has a very real impact on them.

 

[watfly]

Let's attempt to be intellectually honest here. Reddit posts by anonymous individuals of someone talking smack about the vaccines and then dying are no more reliable than someone posting examples about how the Democrats are running child sex trafficking rings. In both cases they're used to spread fear and mistrust of the other side. And please spare me the bullshit that either party is doing it out of some noble cause. I would hope y'all are smarter than that.

Some people will believe anything. It's their choice and their responsibility to accept the consequences. Misinformation comes from both sides of the ledger and its your job as an adult to sort it out, not to blame someone else for your choices. If I had listened to Fauci, I would have canceled Xmas...and then rescheduled it a day later.

 

[met61]

You're likely part of the problem.

...yeah, that's it...and you're the solution? LOL, ok.

 

[GoldenGate]

I'm going to punt my response to Grace's post 3,739.

I am going to punt my response to the family and friends of all the Herman Cain Award recipient. Maybe listen to them. Virtually every Herman Cain Award winner's feeds ends like this, even when their dumbfuck anti-vax "I'm a lion" profile pics remain.

 

[met61]

Who are these "elites"? Does that not include you?

...you missed it again.

 

[NorCalDad]

Overall the point is, not one singular thing equals 100% protection. There is no Silver Bullet (not even for Influenza which has been around for Centuries).

You can roll the dice with Natural Immunity. However, if you are older, immuno-compromised, obese, etc, get the damn shot! You can roll the dice with a “vaccine”. But NEITHER are as effective without a proper diet and exercise. Even in some, rare cases, that is not enough.

I do think it’s stupid in the long run to mandate kids under 15 to get the shot (unless they fall into some of the above categories) since there is little to no risk and evolution has proven we can develop a high level of resistance to viral infections.

Since the current Admin is Mandate Happy….they should try Mandating 20 min of exercise per day and watch how many illness mortalities improve.

With a 36% obesity rate, we might be in trouble. I'd postulate that the least obese areas actually have higher vaccination rates. The people in most need of a vaccine, aren't rushing to get it.

Pretty sure in public schools PE is mandated.

Now we just need to figure out how to regulate fast foot chains -- something I doubt many political leaders would even think about taking on.

But I hear you, would be great if everyone took better care of themselves.