Hard for me to have empathy for anti-vaxers when I feel this effing good. Plus your anecdotes don't ring true in my circles.
Be back in a bit. Going to go hit the trails.
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Hard for me to have empathy for anti-vaxers when I feel this effing good. Plus your anecdotes don't ring true in my circles.
Be back in a bit. Going to go hit the trails.
I'm happy you found your happiness. Thanks for being honest NorCalDad. I'm SoCalDad and I will fight my dd rights and I will fight for my wife and my rights. My dd has almost zero chance of dying from the flu or Corona as you call it. Zero chance dude. She can catch the flu and if her lungs fill up, she could die. I had X girlfriend who went to UCLA back in the day. Anyway, her roommate died from the flu, no joke. We all went out on a double date and she looked amazing. Happy, running trails and just on fire for life. Two days later, my X told me her roomy was filling super sick. Coughing and hard to breath because her poor lungs were filling up. She went to ER and died three days later from the flu. It happened every year until 2020, when the flu went away and was replaced by Corona. Now your forced to get flu shot or as some like to call the spiked vaccine. BTW, I was told by a Military pal that some people will become more A.I. with the jabs and will be programed to train and get ready. They have access to your brain now. Be careful what you believe and inject in your arms. Did you get #3? You are now the second person that told me the Jabs are making him feel powerful, just like this fool.........
Are you sure you got the vaccine and not a steroid shot?
Look out Wat Fly, I have no idea wtf is in these last batches. All I know is their experimental. I know for a fact that other trials of experimenting with viruses and jabs were the use of Baby parts, Bat parts and Dog parts. Dr. Stanley said the kids they used for their experiment was kids who were abused or came from a bad tribe. I'm sure they didnt take dogs away from happy homes. They found abused dogs who probably had rabies as well but I can;t prove that at this time and then went to a Bat cave to get the Bat. They take poor Spike, the Bat and little Baby human from her mom and made "spike protein" and then mix it all up and shake it. I'm getting concerned that people might have rabies and or some sort of spike adrenaline that makes people feel super human and above the basic rights of others and will only obey their master puppet.
BS they don't have the data. If the previously infected were having subsequent infections in any substantial fashion you would be hearing about it all day long as more evidence that you have to be vaccinated and wear a mask. Those that are controlling the message don't want any other message out there than vaccinations and masks, with the emphasis on masks since the vaccinated can have breakthrough infections.
I'm pro-Vax and would recommend everyone get a vaccination, but I can understand how the previously infected would question the necessity of getting a vaccine. There is also quite a few doctors that question this as well. It's not uncommon for the previously infected to have a significant reaction to the vaccine. It's not unreasonable to question a vaccine that makes you really sick before its supposed to protect you.
I believe there is more than one way to approach this virus and I don't think there is necessarily a "one size fits all" solution. Why? Because the virus is going to do its thing regardless of what we do. Take the vaccination for example. The majority of "experts" said you don't need a mask if you're vaccinated. While, I believe they made that recommendation in good faith, as it turns out a not insignificant number of vaccinated are getting infected. So now its back to wearing masks for the vaccinated. Why were the "experts" wrong? Because the virus doesn't give a shit about "expert" opinion. This has been the case since day one of the pandemic.
So what do we do? Don't be stupid if you think you're infected and move on with life...Obama has. Stop pretending like "window dressing" is going to stop the virus. In particular, let kids get an uninterrupted education, i.e. stop f'ing with kids like the pandemic is their cross to bear.
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Of course there is data. This particular industry exists because of it. Take a deep dive into the money trail (if you have time in your busy life). And those that will scoff at the idea of a money trail and claim conspiracy has no idea how the pharma world works and how the medical community is interwoven into it. Especially those that have achieved such status in their line of work. Fauci is a proven liar, no doubt about it. At a minimum, he knows how to work the system, has been doing it for years.
There is plenty of disagreement within the public health community on the topic of kids and vaccine. There has been enough push back and data that the FDA has stayed away from claiming the vaccines are safe for kids under 12. What happens next with the vaccines will be half science, and half politics. The U12 demographic represents plenty of $$$.
As @watfly has so eloquently stated ---let's stop messing with the kids.
Roadrunner
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The Delta variant is so much better at infecting us that viral loads can be 1000x higher. So, this means the baseline is raised now so that even some vaccinated people can accumulate virus in their upper respiratory passages. Hence the need to change mask guidance in order to try to reduce spread. (That being said, the CDC lost some credibility during this pandemic- they need to be doing better, in my opinion. I also wish the FDA wasn't slow walking emergency approval for vaccines for the younger kids. They could have requested that Pfizer and moderns conduct larger clinical trail groups much earlier.)
I have to rely on my community to help protect my under 12 child. As soon as vaccines become available for her age group, I will definitely be bringing her in.
This is not a gotcha "oh you must be unreasonably paranoid" question but I am genuinely curious from you, given your background, what are you concerned about?
It's been known forever that kids aren't at severe risk of death from COVID, that it impacts primarily older people severely, and the death rate for the under 12 is below flu and RSV. Does your kid have a special need which is why you are concerned? Do you believe the Delta is more severe in children, and if so what's the backup (because so far the data out of the UK doesn't support that at least vis-a-vis death)? Do you have the same worries about Flu (given the vaccine is so imperfect) and RSV in your child?
Or are you worried about long COVID? Given your background, you know there is long flu and long RSV as well. If so, do you have a source pointing out the severity of long COVID rates in children that leads to your concerns?
I understand the basis for the mask recommendation due to Delta. Circumstances change. My point is that its impossible to predict what the virus will do because it has a mind of its own and its a fool's errand to believe we can stop it, as the last 18 months have clearly proven. We can point fingers as to why the virus continues to spread, but its primarily the viruses fault, not white republicans, not anti-vaxxers, not Pelosi and Schumer when Trump was President.
Does this mean we should do nothing? No. Get a vaccine if your comfortable. Quarantine when your sick, like we've traditionally treated pandemics. There is nothing that is even materially effective against asymptomatics spreading the virus. Why interrupt business and education, in some cases permanently, for token measures that have not proven to have a material impact on the virus.
My 17 year old daughter was the first to get the vaccine in our family because she does volunteer work for senior organizations. My son is 13 and based on consultation with his doctor we've opted not to get him vaccinated at this time.
Quick check, sample of one.
Covid-19 reinfections are rare — but without better data, we don't know how rare
Experts say the country doesn't have a strong system to determine how frequently people are getting reinfected with Covid-19.
www.statnews.com
Quick check, sample of one.
Covid-19 reinfections are rare — but without better data, we don't know how rare
Experts say the country doesn't have a strong system to determine how frequently people are getting reinfected with Covid-19.
You'd need a tracking study done of it. Given that there's no money in it, and it might actually harm pharma's bottom line, and the researchers that conduct it won't exactly be ingratiating themselves with the powers that be in pharma and govt health, it's not surprising there's not a whole lot out there.
What data is out there says it's rare. Is the data really that much better for the vaccinated getting infected? I seriously doubt it, but you hear that message everyday, every hour, that the vaccinated are getting infected.
Desert Hound
DA
THIS^^^
We have to stop the chattering class determine our lives. Time to move on. No masks, restrictions on dining, movement, etc. Time to go back to living life.
If you want the vax get it.
If you don't, then don't.
And if someone gets sick and dies? That is part of life and dealing with a myriad of diseases out there.
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Baby+Bat+Dog= A Baby Bat Dog injection. Add the fact most eat abused cows & chickens that are beaten and tortured all day by assholes and you got some serious deceases that looks clear as water when one takes experiment. I will name this the Baby Bat Dog injection, "Spike" for now. Basically, their is a chance some of the Jabs have a mix of some serious shit in it. No one really knows, right? Look, take as many of these Spike proteins you want. I kindly ask that you stop asking others to forcefully join you in this experiment we no nothing about. I got this flu Jan 2020 and so did many others. I was in Kirkland, WA and I can prove it. My plane was so sick everyone had the virus. Just wait for Mr. Class and Miss Action and crew will be taking. Kick me and my family out of all the fun & entertainment, cruises, flying and making a living too just because? Thanks for nothing. I will remember how selfish some of you have been. Hogging soccer is one thing, but taking a man's rights away because you cheat is not going to end well for those WHO support lying & cheating.
Baby
Abused Dog
Abused Cow To Stuff Face Latter
Hormones Too
Baby+Bat+Dog= A Baby Bat Dog injection. Add the fact most eat abused cows & chickens that are beaten and tortured all day by assholes and you got some serious deceases that looks clear as water when one takes experiment. I will name this the Baby Bat Dog injection, "Spike" for now. Basically, their is a chance some of the Jabs have a mix of some serious shit in it. No one really knows, right? Look, take as many of these Spike proteins you want. I kindly ask that you stop asking others to forcefully join you in this experiment we no nothing about. I got this flu Jan 2020 and so did many others. I was in Kirkland, WA and I can prove it. My plane was so sick everyone had the virus. Just wait for Mr. Class and Miss Action and crew will be taking. Kick me and my family out of all the fun & entertainment, cruises, flying and making a living too just because? Thanks for nothing. I will remember how selfish some of you have been. Hogging soccer is one thing, but taking a man's rights away because you cheat is not going to end well for those WHO support lying & cheating.
Why do you need a tracking study?
You already have data on previous confirmed infections. All you need is a sampling study of current patients, to answer what fraction of current covid patients also had a prior covid diagnosis. Then hit it with Bayes theorem, and you get an estimate for what fraction of prior covid patients are currently getting infected.
If the condition is rare, that method only really gets you an upper bound. But that’s ok. A low upper bound is a perfectly useful conclusion.
I'm Pro Choice. Three choices to choose from. Therapeutic, Healthy life style and no Jab or take Jab. Any one of three choices is good with me. No one choice is better then the other. Cool?
Roadrunner
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I have two areas of concern. The first is simply trying to prevent the virus from continuing to replicate. There is always the probability that some of the mutant versions that arise during an infection will be more "fit"- easier to spread, resistant to antibodies produced by our immune system, higher mortality, etc. This virus was always going to be difficult to contain with its ability to spread before a person knows they're infected. So this concern is one of using all tools we have to prevent spread. Vaccines help to limit the number of good hosts for the virus, and they are great at preventing severe disease, both wonderful things. The virus needs to be squashed worldwide.
Yes, my second concern is a general one about long term damage from the virus. Some of the damage comes from the virus directly, and other damage from our immune response- or over-response. With the Delta variant, more kids will get covid, and even if Delta doesn't cause more severe covid in kids, the raw numbers of kids having severe covid will go up. Since vaccines can help prevent serious infection, and there's now lots of real world data on their safety, for me the cost benefit calculation is clear. That being said, I am of course also going to encourage people to consult with their physician as individual circumstances can vary.
Me too
1. Stop eating meat until animal can be blessed. Animal should be free and organic. 100% real animal. Eat Veggies, fruit and nuts until fixed, trust me. Take care of the body God gave you
2. Stop dividing the country with Us vs Them. Pro-Vax vs Anti-Vax. Rich vs Poor. R vs D. Black vs White. Heaven vs Hell. My way or the highway.
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Let us put covid in perspective shall we?
Where does covid rank as an issue for the young?
