Vaccine

[NOVA.Dad]

What data is out there says it's rare. Is the data really that much better for the vaccinated getting infected? I seriously doubt it, but you hear that message everyday, every hour, that the vaccinated are getting infected.

Fully vaccinated people are still getting infected with Covid. Experts explain why

So-called "breakthrough" Covid cases are being seen in people who have had two doses of a coronavirus vaccine.

www.cnbc.com

It’s difficult to know the full extent of “breakthrough” Covid cases because cases in vaccinated people tend to be mild or asymptomatic and could go easily go unnoticed, but figures collected by NBC News has found that at least 125,000 fully vaccinated Americans have tested positive for Covid and 1,400 of those have died. Still, the 125,682 “breakthrough” cases in 38 states found by NBC News represented less than 0.08% of the 164.2 million-plus people (and counting) who have been fully vaccinated since the start of the year, or about one in every 1,300.

 

[Desert Hound]

Fully vaccinated people are still getting infected with Covid. Experts explain why

So-called "breakthrough" Covid cases are being seen in people who have had two doses of a coronavirus vaccine.

www.cnbc.com

It’s difficult to know the full extent of “breakthrough” Covid cases because cases in vaccinated people tend to be mild or asymptomatic and could go easily go unnoticed, but figures collected by NBC News has found that at least 125,000 fully vaccinated Americans have tested positive for Covid and 1,400 of those have died. Still, the 125,682 “breakthrough” cases in 38 states found by NBC News represented less than 0.08% of the 164.2 million-plus people (and counting) who have been fully vaccinated since the start of the year, or about one in every 1,300.

I suspect of those deaths most had serious health issues. And per usual we don't know if they simply tested positive for the virus, or did the virus actually lead to death.

 

[crush]

These two sure look a like.

 

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[watfly]

Fully vaccinated people are still getting infected with Covid. Experts explain why

So-called "breakthrough" Covid cases are being seen in people who have had two doses of a coronavirus vaccine.

www.cnbc.com

It’s difficult to know the full extent of “breakthrough” Covid cases because cases in vaccinated people tend to be mild or asymptomatic and could go easily go unnoticed, but figures collected by NBC News has found that at least 125,000 fully vaccinated Americans have tested positive for Covid and 1,400 of those have died. Still, the 125,682 “breakthrough” cases in 38 states found by NBC News represented less than 0.08% of the 164.2 million-plus people (and counting) who have been fully vaccinated since the start of the year, or about one in every 1,300.

Thanks for proving my point.

CNBC can collect figures on breakthrough infections but can't collect figures on the unvaccinated that have got infected twice. Seems odd that that info isn't available don't you think?

 

[crush]

Thanks for proving my point.

CNBC can collect figures on breakthrough infections but can't collect figures on the unvaccinated that have got infected twice. Seems odd that that info isn't available don't you think?

I can't believe you can be Pro-Vax. I'm a little shocked but I understand you well now. Did you just watch that video of Joey Bribes talking about the V? Bro, come on now, your smarter than that? Dont let pride get in the way. The sooner everyone realizes we've all been played the sooner we can fix this crime against Humanity and pf the century. You remind me of my pal up in Kirkland btw. Super good businessman and takes care of all his employees. Are you mandating the vax at your company?

 

[dad4]

Thanks for proving my point.

More importantly, it's good news for the southeast.

If reinfections are rare, that puts a cap on how long FL can keep getting worse. 1 to 1.5 million more confirmed cases would be enough to to lift them from 70% to 90%.

My swag is 3 weeks. Maybe 4 if schools cause a bump.

They could also put on masks and dine outside. But that's crazy talk.

 

[espola]

A lot of people are talking to themselves in this thread. It's not really necessary - you have already convinced yourselves.

 

[crush]

 

[Grace T.]

I have two areas of concern. The first is simply trying to prevent the virus from continuing to replicate. There is always the probability that some of the mutant versions that arise during an infection will be more "fit"- easier to spread, resistant to antibodies produced by our immune system, higher mortality, etc. This virus was always going to be difficult to contain with its ability to spread before a person knows they're infected. So this concern is one of using all tools we have to prevent spread. Vaccines help to limit the number of good hosts for the virus, and they are great at preventing severe disease, both wonderful things. The virus needs to be squashed worldwide.

Yes, my second concern is a general one about long term damage from the virus. Some of the damage comes from the virus directly, and other damage from our immune response- or over-response. With the Delta variant, more kids will get covid, and even if Delta doesn't cause more severe covid in kids, the raw numbers of kids having severe covid will go up. Since vaccines can help prevent serious infection, and there's now lots of real world data on their safety, for me the cost benefit calculation is clear. That being said, I am of course also going to encourage people to consult with their physician as individual circumstances can vary.

As to the first, the issue is the world isn't going to be vaccinated until 2023. That's plenty of a repository for more mutations, not to mention there is an increasing number of zoonotic host possibilities. And if you think about it the world's elderly won't be vaccinated completely until the end of 2021 or early 2022 depending on how it goes in the poorest nations....yet we would be vaccinating low risk children.

I hear you by way of the second. More numbers mean ---> more chances for something serious, but on an individual risk basis, nothing here seems to indicate that your child's individual roll of the dice will be weighted against him/or her unless there is an underlying condition. Here's a pretty good thread. In any case appreciate your response...given your background was wondering if you had seen something I had overlooked.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1424748537523355649

 

[watfly]

Are you mandating the vax at your company?

No, that's an individual employee's choice in regards to their personal medical treatment. We've asked our employees their vaccination status and required masks for unvaccinated employees (as allowed by law). If you're sick, you stay home. California is a very tricky state when it comes to balancing employees and customer interests (ie liabilities).

 

[Grace T.]

Why do you need a tracking study?

You already have data on previous confirmed infections. All you need is a sampling study of current patients, to answer what fraction of current covid patients also had a prior covid diagnosis. Then hit it with Bayes theorem, and you get an estimate for what fraction of prior covid patients are currently getting infected.

If the condition is rare, that method only really gets you an upper bound. But that’s ok. A low upper bound is a perfectly useful conclusion.

Because, as we've seen from some of the confusion in numbers out of Florida, California, or Minnesota, this info isn't kept in a central repository researches can look up. You need to know not only if there was a positive result (hopefully two tests and not the rapid test) and when it was taken. Furthermore, doing that sampling only tells you about today....it doesn't tell you (unless all of them were from before summer last year when testing also wasn't great) what happens more than a year out. It's possible you could be immune 3 months, 6, a year or forever. Finally, it would be nice to compare variant to variant to see if that makes any difference.

 

[crush]

No, that's an individual employee's choice in regards to their personal medical treatment. We've asked our employees their vaccination status and required masks for unvaccinated employees (as allowed by law). If you're sick, you stay home. California is a very tricky state when it comes to balancing employees and customer interests (ie liabilities).

Excellent bro. I appreciate that. I like to knock doors for a living but I'm afraid to piss people off to ask if they need anymore customers with or without a mask. Either way, I'm going to piss off someone. My SEO vendor wants me to sell for him and give me a slice of the profit. I'm re-branding my company and this is super hard to do. Honest opinion. Should I wear a mask on my original cold call or no mask?

 

[crush]

Control Freak: I mandate you to do as I say.
Sheep: ok
Lion: No way
Control Freak: I mandate you to take experimental drugs when i tell you to.
Sheep: ok
Lion: Never
Control Freak: I mandate you to STFU.
Sheep: Ok master
Lion: You STFU back
Control Freak: I mandate you to take two jabs+boosters or you can't work here anymore.
Sheep: ok
Lion: Are you freaking crazy. get that Baby Bat Dog Spike mix away from me and my family. You jabbers are contagious too, I got this flu last year and feel awesome.
Control freak: I am your master.
Sheep: OK, whatever you say master mandater.
Lion: I only have one master
Sheep: When will this end?
Control Freak: STFU and stop asking any questions you stupid sheep.
Lion: When you wake up dumb sheep

 

[N00B]

Me too
1. Stop eating meat until animal can be blessed. Animal should be free and organic. 100% real animal. Eat Veggies, fruit and nuts until fixed, trust me. Take care of the body God gave you
2. Stop dividing the country with Us vs Them. Pro-Vax vs Anti-Vax. Rich vs Poor. R vs D. Black vs White. Heaven vs Hell. My way or the highway.

Stop complaining about the consequences of your choice to not ‘get the jab’… sorry it’s inconvenient to exercise your freedom.

Maybe you could spend more time telling other people what they should put in their bodies. NVM, you already do that and they’re fine with the consequences of meat, alcohol, etc.

 

[crush]

Stop complaining about the consequences of your choice to not ‘get the jab’… sorry it’s inconvenient to exercise your freedom.

Maybe you could spend more time telling other people what they should put in their bodies. NVM, you already do that and they’re fine with consequences of meat, alcohol, etc.

I'm sounding the alarm. Meat and booz is no good, MOO. Did you guys get the jab? I understand pressure to pay $1,000,000 loans and if no jab no pay. That's my whole argument regarding all the elitist. My life is in a tough spot again.

 

[crush]

Stop complaining about the consequences of your choice to not ‘get the jab’… sorry it’s inconvenient to exercise your freedom.

Maybe you could spend more time telling other people what they should put in their bodies. NVM, you already do that and they’re fine with the consequences of meat, alcohol, etc.

Let's still remember that the Orange man got the election ripped from the cheaters

 

[crush]

My wife say's I need to stop with trying to tell people not to eat meat and stop drinking booz and jab or no jab. I'm sorry you guys. I have a very good friend that almost died because he drank and eat meat everyday. I will stop. However, if Espola or Husker or Dad start talking about how it's my fault that the delta is spreading, well then I will decide how I will respond. I can't even go on a cruise now. This sucks and the mandate is coming.

 

[crush]

Did Gen. Berger say no to Jab for his Marines? I heard a rumor but not 100%. Any body from the United States Marines have some Intel?

 

[dad4]

Did Gen. Berger say no to Jab for his Marines? I heard a rumor but not 100%. Any body from the United States Marines have some Intel?

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We don't have an independent military, like Burma. We have civilian control. Generals do not get to override civil authorities.

If the President says the jab is mandatory, and the courts uphold it, then it is mandatory.