Vaccine

dad4 said:
Question 2- I don’t have good data for the prevalence of second infections among previous covid patients. Nor do I have good data for the prevalence of Delta infections among people who think they already had covid. (those two groups are substantially different)
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Isn’t it interesting that they have all the data available except for that?

So don’t blame the “Unvaxx’d” as a whole as you can’t quantify how many of those “Unvaxx’d” have Natures Vaccine!
 
Roadrunner said:
The Delta variant is better at replicating itself (making copies of itself) than the original variant, and so people infected with it carry a lot more (1000x) virus in their upper respiratory passages. These higher titers are part of why this variant is easier to spread. Comparing infections in vaccinated versus unvaccinated people, those who are vaccinated are more likely to have lower titers (less virus) and a shorter duration of upper respiratory infection. There are additional factors that go into how likely someone is going to spread the virus, but the number of infectious virus particles is a key part of it. The immune cells in the vaccinated people will also be much more readily able to prevent the virus from gaining a foothold in their lungs and causing severe disease.
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Well tell that to my pal with blood clot on the back of leg Roadrunner. He told me it feels like a gnarly Charlie horse. He got fever and got his ass to ER. Blood thinner saved his life. Thank God for that drug, right?

Dude is drinking blood thinner now and has to for a long time. Plus, two jabs already with more boosters to come. WTF is he putting in his body? Perfectly healthy before and not no more. No, no, no death is not knocking on door but he's full of fear bro. Welcome to the forum & Camp Delta bro. NSA/Space Force is watching you big time and me as well. I got serious threat from assholes three years ago who were cheating big time. Welcome to the forum BTW. Husker, Dad and Poorespola need back up big time.
 
Kicker4Life said:
Thank you! That makes sense.

What’s your take on the 2nd question?
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I have not seen data on how many of the unvaccinated people currently in the hospital had either confirmed or suspected cases of covid in the past. I think an underlying question here is whether natural immunity is as robust as immunity from a vaccine. It could be as robust in some cases, and not in others. I would add to that to ask whether natural immunity following an infection with one variant will be as protective against another variant as immunity from vaccine x, y, or z. In that regard I did read a peer reviewed paper that suggested that the RNA based vaccines were more likely to lead to protection from variants than natural immunity because the spike protein produced by the RNA will adopt a greater variety of conformations (shapes), allowing the immune system to create a larger variety of antibodies against the spike protein. Since the spike protein is the main target for the immune system, having all the other proteins produced in a natural infection won't necessarily be any advantage.
 
crush said:
Well tell that to my pal with blood clot on the back of leg Roadrunner. He told me it feels like a gnarly Charlie horse. He got fever and got his ass to ER. Blood thinner saved his life. Thank God for that drug, right?

Dude is drinking blood thinner now and has to for a long time. Plus, two jabs already with more boosters to come. WTF is he putting in his body? Perfectly healthy before and not no more. No, no, no death is not knocking on door but he's full of fear bro. Welcome to the forum & Camp Delta bro. NSA/Space Force is watching you big time and me as well. I got serious threat from assholes three years ago who were cheating big time. Welcome to the forum BTW. Husker, Dad and Poorespola need back up big time.
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Thanks for the welcome Crush. Modern medicine can definitely be amazing in all the problems it can help address. I'm glad your friend was able to get help.
 
Roadrunner said:
Thanks for the welcome Crush. Modern medicine can definitely be amazing in all the problems it can help address. I'm glad your friend was able to get help.
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Thank you. Just curious Roadrunner. Where you from? DD or DS? Are you a doctor or in health? I love your writing skills btw. I heard t speak and he thinks people should get the Jab but also free not too and without getting fired. You can have the booz & the cruises...lol!! I'm 100% down with that. What say you? Dad thinks I'm SOL and should move to FL so I can be a salesman without a mask? People like my smile and feel my warmth and kindness and with a mask on, well it sucks and it makes the sales call horrible. No one is even interested in growing their biz. Most small businesses owners have lost everything or are barely on life support. Turn the table game is fast approaching.
 
crush said:
Thank you. Just curious Roadrunner. Where you from? DD or DS? Are you a doctor or in health? I love your writing skills btw. I heard t speak and he thinks people should get the Jab but also free not too and without getting fired. You can have the booz & the cruises...lol!! I'm 100% down with that. What say you? Dad thinks I'm SOL and should move to FL so I can be a salesman without a mask? People like my smile and feel my warmth and kindness and with a mask on, well it sucks and it makes the sales call horrible. No one is even interested in growing their biz. Most small businesses owners have lost everything or are barely on life support. Turn the table game is fast approaching.
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I have a DS who has been crazy about soccer since he discovered it. Definitely very competitive and has worked hard to try to be the best he can be. I've been learning from his journey. The soccer world is interesting.

My training is as a virologist. I think it's amazing that we actually have vaccines that are effective against a coronavirus. There's a long history, not always great, for vaccine development. I understand the concerns and hesitation. Vaccines are also interesting in how they are not just about personal health. Yes, my DS and I are vaccinated. We also probably had covid just as schools were shutting down last year. (There weren't tests available at the time given our symptoms.)
 
Roadrunner said:
I have a DS who has been crazy about soccer since he discovered it. Definitely very competitive and has worked hard to try to be the best he can be. I've been learning from his journey. The soccer world is interesting.

My training is as a virologist. I think it's amazing that we actually have vaccines that are effective against a coronavirus. There's a long history, not always great, for vaccine development. I understand the concerns and hesitation. Vaccines are also interesting in how they are not just about personal health. Yes, my DS and I are vaccinated. We also probably had covid just as schools were shutting down last year. (There weren't tests available at the time given our symptoms.)
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Welcome bro. My DS was super fast but hated soccer at early age. Then Coach Dave from Pony League ruin any dreams I had of him playing sports. Q. Do you think my dd should be allowed to play HSS private or public without getting the jab? She's cool with wearing mask to the game and away from the game. She's cool with being tested. Thanks for bring soming sanity to this place.
 
Look WHOse talking again. Dr. F.

Fauci says 'hopefully' making young kids wear masks won't have 'lasting negative impact'
Delta variant is filling up pediatric hospitals ((pics please and not from Italy)) and seems more threatening, Fauci said

During an interview with conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt, Dr. Fauci said it’s important to keep an "open mind" about masking after the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recommended that unvaccinated children ages 2 and older wear masks and that students wear masks in all K-12 schools, regardless of vaccination status, in light of the rapid spread of the COVID-19 delta variant.

It's not comfortable, obviously, for children to wear masks, particularly the younger children," he said. "But you know, what we’re starting to see, Hugh, and I think it's going to unfold even more as the weeks go by, that this virus not only is so extraordinarily transmissible, but we're starting to see pediatric hospitals get more and more younger people and kids not only numerically, but what seems to be more severe disease.

Plus, Dr. F has a
Report shows Fauci linked to NIAID's deadly experiments performed on dogs
What on God's green earth is everybody that jabbed have in their today. Roadrunner, you have any theories on what is in the experimental drug? I know we got bat, spike, some sort of fetus stem or cell and now maybe some dog? Woof woof!!
 
crush said:
Look WHOse talking again. Dr. F.

Fauci says 'hopefully' making young kids wear masks won't have 'lasting negative impact'
Delta variant is filling up pediatric hospitals ((pics please and not from Italy)) and seems more threatening, Fauci said

During an interview with conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt, Dr. Fauci said it’s important to keep an "open mind" about masking after the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention recommended that unvaccinated children ages 2 and older wear masks and that students wear masks in all K-12 schools, regardless of vaccination status, in light of the rapid spread of the COVID-19 delta variant.

It's not comfortable, obviously, for children to wear masks, particularly the younger children," he said. "But you know, what we’re starting to see, Hugh, and I think it's going to unfold even more as the weeks go by, that this virus not only is so extraordinarily transmissible, but we're starting to see pediatric hospitals get more and more younger people and kids not only numerically, but what seems to be more severe disease.

Plus, Dr. F has a
Report shows Fauci linked to NIAID's deadly experiments performed on dogs
What on God's green earth is everybody that jabbed have in their today. Roadrunner, you have any theories on what is in the experimental drug? I know we got bat, spike, some sort of fetus stem or cell and now maybe some dog? Woof woof!!
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The RNA based vaccines don't have anything to do with stem cells or dogs.

You may be familiar that cells contain chromosomes made of DNA that serve as encyclopedias/ instructions for carrying out the functions of the cell. To read a particular sentence or paragraph in the book, special enzymes (types of proteins) create RNA versions of the information. Messenger RNAs are RNAs whose information is then translated by other complexes in the cell to make a particular protein. The Pfizer and moderns vaccines are at their heart a stabilized messenger RNA that contains the information to make the SARS-CoV2 spike protein. But, the vaccine RNA has to be able to get into cells, so the companies surrounded the stabilized mRNA with lipid based spheres (nanoparticles). This helps the vaccine to deliver its cargo through the outer layers of our cells, which are composed of phospholipids. The companies wouldn't have to use any cells to make the RNAs or their delivery shells. Their technology is a lot easier to scale than, for example, flu vaccines that use chicken eggs.
 
dad4 said:
You’re actually using the “human projectile” theory they used to explain seat belt laws. No one took it seriously, because it was a really bad argument.

It’s still a really bad argument. ”Hit by flying motorcyclist” is not, in fact, a common cause of death in the United States.

By contrast, ”infected by unvaccinated covid victim”, is a common cause of death. Hundreds of them per day.
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If the vaccine effectiveness is really 60% to prevent transmission or thereabouts (a big if) there is no difference between unvaccinated and vaccinated spread
 
Roadrunner said:
The RNA based vaccines don't have anything to do with stem cells or dogs.

You may be familiar that cells contain chromosomes made of DNA that serve as encyclopedias/ instructions for carrying out the functions of the cell. To read a particular sentence or paragraph in the book, special enzymes (types of proteins) create RNA versions of the information. Messenger RNAs are RNAs whose information is then translated by other complexes in the cell to make a particular protein. The Pfizer and moderns vaccines are at their heart a stabilized messenger RNA that contains the information to make the SARS-CoV2 spike protein. But, the vaccine RNA has to be able to get into cells, so the companies surrounded the stabilized mRNA with lipid based spheres (nanoparticles). This helps the vaccine to deliver its cargo through the outer layers of our cells, which are composed of phospholipids. The companies wouldn't have to use any cells to make the RNAs or their delivery shells. Their technology is a lot easier to scale than, for example, flu vaccines that use chicken eggs.
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Can you share with us the ingredients that the "cargo" is made of from Pfizer this new delta variant? Thanks
 
Roadrunner said:
I have not seen data on how many of the unvaccinated people currently in the hospital had either confirmed or suspected cases of covid in the past. I think an underlying question here is whether natural immunity is as robust as immunity from a vaccine. It could be as robust in some cases, and not in others. I would add to that to ask whether natural immunity following an infection with one variant will be as protective against another variant as immunity from vaccine x, y, or z. In that regard I did read a peer reviewed paper that suggested that the RNA based vaccines were more likely to lead to protection from variants than natural immunity because the spike protein produced by the RNA will adopt a greater variety of conformations (shapes), allowing the immune system to create a larger variety of antibodies against the spike protein. Since the spike protein is the main target for the immune system, having all the other proteins produced in a natural infection won't necessarily be any advantage.
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There is some data contrary from Israel but as you say there’s not a whole lot on natural immunity yet

One anecdote: outdoor bbq. Double vaxxed person wearing n95 except to eat. 9 attendees. 3 had confirmed natural immunity and a recent antibody count of 10 on the scale but not vaxxed. Other 5 were double vaxxed. Double vaxxed attendee had covid (had sniffles at the party…thought it was allergy…found out because she’s a nut about testing every 2 weeks). 3 of the double vaxxed/outdoor/masked attendees fell ill with covid confirmed with test. Of the 3 the 2 younger were not serious the older was. Patient zero sheltered with the naturally immune individuals. Said individuals did not fall ill and took 2 spaces out covid tests to confirm.
 
Grace T. said:
There is some data contrary from Israel but as you say there’s not a whole lot on natural immunity yet

One anecdote: outdoor bbq. Double vaxxed person wearing n95 except to eat. 9 attendees. 3 had confirmed natural immunity and a recent antibody count of 10 on the scale but not vaxxed. Other 5 were double vaxxed. Double vaxxed attendee had covid (had sniffles at the party…thought it was allergy…found out because she’s a nut about testing every 2 weeks). 3 of the double vaxxed/outdoor/masked attendees fell ill with covid confirmed with test. Of the 3 the 2 younger were not serious the older was. Patient zero sheltered with the naturally immune individuals. Said individuals did not fall ill and took 2 spaces out covid tests to confirm.
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Grace, everyone I know who has been sick lately got the jabs. I know no one who is sick + no jab. It's jab plus flu from what I see. I'm not lying at all. Those are the facts. Hospitals are not over crowded either.
 
tjinaz said:
What I find ironic is the same people who typically respond "my body.. my choice" are now all the sudden behind the government telling people what they can and can't do.
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It's still my body, my choice. But, you should choose wisely. The vaccines are safe and effective.

Also, don't discount the fact that our children are required to have the following vaccinations to enter public schools:
- Diphtheria/Tetanus/ Pertussis
- Polio
- Measles/Mumps/Rubella
- Varicella (Chickenpox)
- Hepatitis B

It's truly pathetic that some "news" organizations have sought to politicize the vaccine.
 
crush said:
Grace, everyone I know who has been sick lately got the jabs. I know no one who is sick + no jab. It's jab plus flu from what I see. I'm not lying at all. Those are the facts. Hospitals are not over crowded either.
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You might want to read up on what is happening in Florida.
 
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