Trans eligibility rules for girls sports.

You haven't seen trans people murdered because you haven't looked and you also don't care. You are seriously claiming that you pay $300 for a brace because a couple trans kids got gender affirming care? Last time I checked, gender affirming care costs a lot less to "society" than having to deal with the costs of having children because of "Christians" blocking access to contraceptive care and then abortions.
coooco indeed. Your hatred of religion is on par with your crazed perception that there are parents on here that hate trans children. Just wondering how you quantify "gender affirming care costs a lot less to "society" than having to deal with the costs of having children because of "Christians" blocking access to contraceptive care and then abortions"

Please connect the dots for me. It appears that you want to enlighten everyone on post surgical gender affirming care.
 
coooco indeed. Your hatred of religion is on par with your crazed perception that there are parents on here that hate trans children. Just wondering how you quantify "gender affirming care costs a lot less to "society" than having to deal with the costs of having children because of "Christians" blocking access to contraceptive care and then abortions"

Please connect the dots for me. It appears that you want to enlighten everyone on post surgical gender affirming care.

Why don't you first explain your friend's argument that gender affirming care is the reason his kid's $50 brace costs $300?

I don't hate religious bigots. I love them so much, just as they proclaim to love the gay and trans people whose civil rights they want to destroy.
 
No good arguments huh…let’s go back to the beginning then, especially if you appreciate science.

Boys have a penis. Girls have a Vagina. Males play sports with males. Females play sports with females. Co-ed is for both male and female. Co-ed then is dominated by teams with more males than females or teams with the best males.

Currently there are only 50 transgender athletes in the NCAA. One of them won the NCAA Championship in swimming and the Woman of the Year. To compare, there are currently almost 52-217,500 NCAA female athletes. In other words, a demographic that represents 0.02% of female athletes won an individual NCAA D1 Championship and the Woman of the Year award because she has an extreme advantage over others. If the Trans population was closer to a realistic 0.75 percent, 850 Trans(or 17x), how many more are winning Championships in the NCAA. The Olympics are just more of the same.

Prove me wrong.


I think you missed the part about private entities deciding who can participate in their leagues. Why are you so anti-free market? And if co-ed isn't "unsafe" and "going to kill people", why on earth do you clowns claim that one trans player on a youth team is "dangerous"? And why is it ok for a league to allow co-ed participation, but not a trans player? It does sound like you're hung up on semantics, so let me make it clear to you that when the NCAA calls a sport a "women's sport", they are going with the Webster's Dictionary definition that includes those who identify as female. Consider your problem solved.

You might also want to talk to a statistician about standard deviation and sample sizes. There have also been more than 150 NCAA D1 women's team championships since the NCAA first allowed trans participation. When you add in all the individual titles for swimming, diving, track, x-country and all the other individual sports, as you have done, there have been 1000s. The reality is that trans women have won far less than 0.02% of their overall female demographic moron.

Also, your assertion that Lia Thomas was the NCAA Woman of the Year is a lie. Regardless, she was nominated not for her athletic achievements but for her courage in overcoming all the harassment that transphobic shitbags keep piling onto her. Were you one of those who made death threats against her? Or just posted one transphobic meme after the next?
 
I guess you can’t read either or make a decent counter argument. Never said that Doctors charge insurance so much because of Trans kids. I used it as an example of how Doctors make money off the kids they are damaging. Nor did I ever say I hate gay or trans people. That is a poor assumption especially since I have family members that are gay who I happily hang out and have beers with. I respect their opinion but they also respect mine unlike you. And honestly, my opinion doesn’t have to do with anything Christian but more about not understanding or being able to wrap my head around choWe are allowed to have our own opinions you know but you obviously have something against all religions and opinions different than yours. You mentioned not caring about Trans people. You probably have been cheering the enormous amount of Muslims who were just killed in Turkey simply because they disagree with you.

You can call me a transphobe all you want, it doesn’t bother me in the slightest. It’s a choice I simply don’t agree with just like at least 3.5 BILLION other people.

Being Gay or Trans are two totally separate things. IMO, being trans is much much more of a mental disability that needs counseling under the age of 18, not coddling. After age 18, game on though, we live in a free country.

You are actually the one consumed by hate, labeling religions among other things by all your posts, bringing very weak arguments at the same time. Remember, making assumptions about adults and hurling racist insults against people, in fact makes you look weak.

If I see a trans posting on IG or Twitter posting a pic with boner wearing a skirt, that person is entitled to criticism and an opinion. If they never posted that, then nobody would ever know.

My arguments are so weak that ECNL, CIF, the NCAA and the Olympics all agree with me? Wow that you're scouring the Internet for trans dick picks, btw. That's a pretty clear sign of repression, and that you probably need counseling more than anyone who admits to being trans.
 
Why don't you first explain your friend's argument that gender affirming care is the reason his kid's $50 brace costs $300?

I don't hate religious bigots. I love them so much, just as they proclaim to love the gay and trans people whose civil rights they want to destroy.
ahhh, lovely skin deep response. So dramatic but I understand.
 
I could be wrong, but I think you've already made that bs statement once or twice already. One thing I do know, however, is that your children have no business in sports because they're terrible at them.

I do relish your participation, however, because it is people like you who best prove my point. Even your fellow transphobes scatter like cockroaches when you roll in.


You're right....

And I will NEVER deviate from the TRUTH.....

The TRUTH is forever.

Males do not belong in Female sports.
It's CHEATING.

PERIOD !!!
 
My arguments are so weak that ECNL, CIF, the NCAA and the Olympics all agree with me?
Organizations like FIFA, NCAA, and IOC would agree with anyone for the right price.

Their support proves nothing other than that they think it's easier to throw women's sport under the bus than risk a leftist boycott.

Every once in a while, the headlines find a Rio Olympics 800m or a Lia Thomas. When that happens, the standards bodies take a half measure to fix it. But they really don't give a crap one way or the other.
 
Organizations like FIFA, NCAA, and IOC would agree with anyone for the right price.

Their support proves nothing other than that they think it's easier to throw women's sport under the bus than risk a leftist boycott.

Every once in a while, the headlines find a Rio Olympics 800m or a Lia Thomas. When that happens, the standards bodies take a half measure to fix it. But they really don't give a crap one way or the other.
You want to play? You need to pay to play and if the price is right, you get to play.

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Why don't you first explain your friend's argument that gender affirming care is the reason his kid's $50 brace costs $300?

I don't hate religious bigots. I love them so much, just as they proclaim to love the gay and trans people whose civil rights they want to destroy.

There he is, never said “gender affirming care” has anything to do with the rediculous prices that Insurance is charged by doctors. I did say doctors and Hospital are in the market of making money and care more about that than damaging a human for life. Anyway, if you don’t believe me, here is an article from almost 4 years ago and things have only gotten worse. Why do you think Biden talked about capping pharmaceutical prices for seniors last night? Same but different.

 
Organizations like FIFA, NCAA, and IOC would agree with anyone for the right price.

Their support proves nothing other than that they think it's easier to throw women's sport under the bus than risk a leftist boycott.

Every once in a while, the headlines find a Rio Olympics 800m or a Lia Thomas. When that happens, the standards bodies take a half measure to fix it. But they really don't give a crap one way or the other.
I seem to recall that on another topic on this forum several other people made these arguments to you and we got back “trust the experts” and “who are you to be questioning them”. We even got “why can’t you just shut up and stop questioning them”.
As to the so-called half measures we got something along the lines of “they have your best interests at heart” and “they are learning as they go based on evolving conditions”
funny how the worm turns with you.
 
My arguments are so weak that ECNL, CIF, the NCAA and the Olympics all agree with me? Wow that you're scouring the Internet for trans dick picks, btw. That's a pretty clear sign of repression, and that you probably need counseling more than anyone who admits to being trans.

Nobody has to scan the internet. And also, those are not memes but reposts of some moron or mentally unstable person who originally posted that in the first place. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes and be ridiculed.

And yes, any argument that says male born trans do not have a physical advantage over females is a weak argument. It is cheating whether you admit it or not.

We have had two female-to-male players on my DD team over the years. I actually almost got into a fight with an opposing parent because of his insensitive remarks towards one of these players. Here is the difference though. She (he) plays on an elite level girls team because she was only able to make the 3rd team. This is the case for most, especially as they age. Extremely rare cases like Alyssa Thompson and Mia Gyua were able to play on the Boys side at later ages. Males have 99.9999999999999999999% worries about a F2M player affecting them, but when you put the shoe on the other foot, females are impacted at least 10 fold.

This issue is more about protecting our young females from being robbed of competing against equal competition and not the feelings of those children with mental health problems that are likely a result of abuse and poor parenting. To expand on that, the Trans population, if we take the upper end is 0.75%. To stack on top of that, trans athletes probably account 10% of that tiny population. At most we are probably talking 1 female per 1,000 females that play a sport.

In return, supporters of this idealogy, want to allow outright cheating, alienating of many others around, all setting a dangerous precedent where it is ok to lie and cheat.

For the sake of debate, if I decided I identified as a black person when I was 18, by these standards, I would be able to start a minority business and profit massively as white man through lying and cheating (even though act ignorant to that fact) even though identify as Black. Meanwhile, I am getting more opportunities than genetic Blacks because I am white, AN UNFAIR ADVANTAGE.

Not sure if you watched “You People” on Netflix yet, a great movie btw, there is a scene at the rehearsal dinner between Jonah Hill and Eddie Murphy. The end of the sequence ends in I know an asshole when I see one. You are that asshole.
 
Nobody has to scan the internet. And also, those are not memes but reposts of some moron or mentally unstable person who originally posted that in the first place. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes and be ridiculed.

And yes, any argument that says male born trans do not have a physical advantage over females is a weak argument. It is cheating whether you admit it or not.

We have had two female-to-male players on my DD team over the years. I actually almost got into a fight with an opposing parent because of his insensitive remarks towards one of these players. Here is the difference though. She (he) plays on an elite level girls team because she was only able to make the 3rd team. This is the case for most, especially as they age. Extremely rare cases like Alyssa Thompson and Mia Gyua were able to play on the Boys side at later ages. Males have 99.9999999999999999999% worries about a F2M player affecting them, but when you put the shoe on the other foot, females are impacted at least 10 fold.

This issue is more about protecting our young females from being robbed of competing against equal competition and not the feelings of those children with mental health problems that are likely a result of abuse and poor parenting. To expand on that, the Trans population, if we take the upper end is 0.75%. To stack on top of that, trans athletes probably account 10% of that tiny population. At most we are probably talking 1 female per 1,000 females that play a sport.

In return, supporters of this idealogy, want to allow outright cheating, alienating of many others around, all setting a dangerous precedent where it is ok to lie and cheat.

For the sake of debate, if I decided I identified as a black person when I was 18, by these standards, I would be able to start a minority business and profit massively as white man through lying and cheating (even though act ignorant to that fact) even though identify as Black. Meanwhile, I am getting more opportunities than genetic Blacks because I am white, AN UNFAIR ADVANTAGE.

Not sure if you watched “You People” on Netflix yet, a great movie btw, there is a scene at the rehearsal dinner between Jonah Hill and Eddie Murphy. The end of the sequence ends in I know an asshole when I see one. You are that asshole.
“Likely a result of abuse and poor parenting”

you realize of course this is exactly the scumbag shittakery Eotl does. During the pandemic (yes I took names and no it won’t ever be forgiven) many of us were warning about the consequences of shutting schools and sports which we were sadly proven right about several times over. Eotl attacked my parenting and said I was responsible for my kid not being able to cope.

my Extended family has a ftm in it. I can most assuredly tell you his parents are some of the finest people out there, are better than my parents, did everything they could for their kids, and even sent him onto Princeton (come back to me when we hear where your all kids went to school). What happened to their kid had nothing to do with them any more than my kids adhd has anything to do with me. What’s more is I take personal offense to this as it’s the same kind of shittakery that was done to gay people: they must have been abused by the parents or something to turn out that way. As anyone who has ever had a black sheep child that turned to drugs or alcohol can tell you, sometimes it’s the way the kid is wired. Hey, maybe we can start blaming those kids in danger of being moved down because of mtf s because their parents didn’t take their soccer careers serious enough! Why didn’t they get Hgh, soccer trainers, supplements and peds! How dare you put your kid in a position where they are threatened as a mediocre player like this!

you have a good heart for standing up for your dd teammate. But you are showing some bias here. I hope you’ll have more foresight in dealing with it than dad 4 has shown and that the karma spirits are more kind with you on this one than what you’ve shown to parents who are dealing with a horror like this.
 
Organizations like FIFA, NCAA, and IOC would agree with anyone for the right price.

Their support proves nothing other than that they think it's easier to throw women's sport under the bus than risk a leftist boycott.

Every once in a while, the headlines find a Rio Olympics 800m or a Lia Thomas. When that happens, the standards bodies take a half measure to fix it. But they really don't give a crap one way or the other.

That's such bs. None of these entities allow trans participation because they've been bribed and you know it. It's just how you rationalize the fact that the legitimate arguments in favor of allowing trans children to participate in youth sports far outweigh those against. The irony is that the only boycotts with respect to trans participation in youth sports have been by you whiny transphobic losers. It is you and your religious bigots who've been the ones who are whining and boycotting.

The assertion that the NCAA only took a half measure to address the Lia Thomas issue also bs given that she (and probably no trans woman) can participate in women's college swimming. What you really mean is that you believe "half measures" means anything short of ruining the lives of trans children.
 
That's such bs. None of these entities allow trans participation because they've been bribed and you know it. It's just how you rationalize the fact that the legitimate arguments in favor of allowing trans children to participate in youth sports far outweigh those against. The irony is that the only boycotts with respect to trans participation in youth sports have been by you whiny transphobic losers. It is you and your religious bigots who've been the ones who are whining and boycotting.

The assertion that the NCAA only took a half measure to address the Lia Thomas issue also bs given that she (and probably no trans woman) can participate in women's college swimming. What you really mean is that you believe "half measures" means anything short of ruining the lives of trans children.
Who bribed them?
 
Nobody has to scan the internet. And also, those are not memes but reposts of some moron or mentally unstable person who originally posted that in the first place. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes and be ridiculed.

And yes, any argument that says male born trans do not have a physical advantage over females is a weak argument. It is cheating whether you admit it or not.

We have had two female-to-male players on my DD team over the years. I actually almost got into a fight with an opposing parent because of his insensitive remarks towards one of these players. Here is the difference though. She (he) plays on an elite level girls team because she was only able to make the 3rd team. This is the case for most, especially as they age. Extremely rare cases like Alyssa Thompson and Mia Gyua were able to play on the Boys side at later ages. Males have 99.9999999999999999999% worries about a F2M player affecting them, but when you put the shoe on the other foot, females are impacted at least 10 fold.

This issue is more about protecting our young females from being robbed of competing against equal competition and not the feelings of those children with mental health problems that are likely a result of abuse and poor parenting. To expand on that, the Trans population, if we take the upper end is 0.75%. To stack on top of that, trans athletes probably account 10% of that tiny population. At most we are probably talking 1 female per 1,000 females that play a sport.

In return, supporters of this idealogy, want to allow outright cheating, alienating of many others around, all setting a dangerous precedent where it is ok to lie and cheat.

For the sake of debate, if I decided I identified as a black person when I was 18, by these standards, I would be able to start a minority business and profit massively as white man through lying and cheating (even though act ignorant to that fact) even though identify as Black. Meanwhile, I am getting more opportunities than genetic Blacks because I am white, AN UNFAIR ADVANTAGE.

Not sure if you watched “You People” on Netflix yet, a great movie btw, there is a scene at the rehearsal dinner between Jonah Hill and Eddie Murphy. The end of the sequence ends in I know an asshole when I see one. You are that asshole.
Ps here’s a little science for you all. I admit it’s been at least five years since I looked at the material so I’m open to critique. But my understanding if they’ve run now several studies of trans brains both before and after any sort of hormone treatment. The fascinating thing is that the brains are different from either the cis male or cis female (going in both directions) and have several similarities to that of the preferred expressed gender. The consensus among dad4 s beloved experts is that there is something physical going on in the brain much like with adhd or autism. You literally have people walking around for example with something resembling a female brain in a male body. Can you imagine the horror of what that would do to even a half way sane person let alone someone who was been mentally disbalanced over the years from other factors ranging from bullying to drugs and alcohol?
 
Ps here’s a little science for you all. I admit it’s been at least five years since I looked at the material so I’m open to critique. But my understanding if they’ve run now several studies of trans brains both before and after any sort of hormone treatment. The fascinating thing is that the brains are different from either the cis male or cis female (going in both directions) and have several similarities to that of the preferred expressed gender. The consensus among dad4 s beloved experts is that there is something physical going on in the brain much like with adhd or autism. You literally have people walking around for example with something resembling a female brain in a male body. Can you imagine the horror of what that would do to even a half way sane person let alone someone who was been mentally disbalanced over the years from other factors ranging from bullying to drugs and alcohol?

Just counting down the freakout that will happen when Peds start scanning children's brains in elementary school and identify children early on who might develop into LGBTQ.
 
Nobody has to scan the internet. And also, those are not memes but reposts of some moron or mentally unstable person who originally posted that in the first place. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes and be ridiculed.

And yes, any argument that says male born trans do not have a physical advantage over females is a weak argument. It is cheating whether you admit it or not.

We have had two female-to-male players on my DD team over the years. I actually almost got into a fight with an opposing parent because of his insensitive remarks towards one of these players. Here is the difference though. She (he) plays on an elite level girls team because she was only able to make the 3rd team. This is the case for most, especially as they age. Extremely rare cases like Alyssa Thompson and Mia Gyua were able to play on the Boys side at later ages. Males have 99.9999999999999999999% worries about a F2M player affecting them, but when you put the shoe on the other foot, females are impacted at least 10 fold.

This issue is more about protecting our young females from being robbed of competing against equal competition and not the feelings of those children with mental health problems that are likely a result of abuse and poor parenting. To expand on that, the Trans population, if we take the upper end is 0.75%. To stack on top of that, trans athletes probably account 10% of that tiny population. At most we are probably talking 1 female per 1,000 females that play a sport.

In return, supporters of this idealogy, want to allow outright cheating, alienating of many others around, all setting a dangerous precedent where it is ok to lie and cheat.

For the sake of debate, if I decided I identified as a black person when I was 18, by these standards, I would be able to start a minority business and profit massively as white man through lying and cheating (even though act ignorant to that fact) even though identify as Black. Meanwhile, I am getting more opportunities than genetic Blacks because I am white, AN UNFAIR ADVANTAGE.

Not sure if you watched “You People” on Netflix yet, a great movie btw, there is a scene at the rehearsal dinner between Jonah Hill and Eddie Murphy. The end of the sequence ends in I know an asshole when I see one. You are that asshole.

There are so many transphobic premises from your whiny diatribe that it is hard to know where to start.

First, it is not cheating because the rules allow it. It is also not deception. The coaches know. The clubs know. The teammates know. The leagues know. In fact, everyone knew in Lia Thomas' case, giving all of you transphobic whiners the identity of the person to direct your death threats and hate mail. With trans youth, however, sometimes the opposing players don't know, or their shitbag transphobic parents, but that mere fact pretty clearly destroys your sad and pathetic assertion that trans participation results in an "unfair" advantage. But, as the Lia THomas situation shows, it is also important to not broadcast their status to the opposing team's transphobic daddies like you because we know people like you will harass and send death threats to children who deserve better. In fact, we know your kind will harass and send death threats to people you apparently concede deserve empathy due to the difficult lives they have lived. In fact, we all know about the one crazy guy at this site who tried to out an 11 year old girl who believed was trans, and humiliate her publicly at both the tournament and in this thread. In other words, there are important privacy interests that support ECNL and CIF policy of limiting disclosure to only those who have a need to know, and not broadcasting it to shitbag dads like you, many of whom will threaten to kill children. Perhaps the most important point to be gleaned from not telling the opposing team's transphobic daddies, however, is that if you can't identify a trans player on the field - and no one here has - it is a joke to claim that they have an "unfair" advantage. You and your friends just call their participation cheating" because you hate trans children and aren't getting your way.

Your assumption that being trans is a "mental health problem" and the result of abuse and poor parenting is also incredibly transphobic. Regardless, your lack of empathy is, well, not surprising.

Nor is your complete lack of logic skills. Your assertion that identifying as black would allow you to start a minority business and "profit massively" is also blatantly racist, but I will focus on it being a terrible example. The reason it is a terrible example is because you would actually be cheating and deceiving people, whereas the trans players are actually following the rules. If a government entity allowed participation as an MBE to those who merely "identify" as black, you disclosed that you were merely "identifying" as black, and you were then allowed to participate, that would be an equivalent comparison. But they do not for obvious reasons, which are the same obvious reasons that the NCAA, the IOC and women's professional sports leagues make it so difficult, and impossible in most circumstances, for a trans woman to participate.

What is nuts about your "comparison", however, is that you are ignoring the much better comparison with arguments being made by your transphobic friends. They claim that trans participation in youth sports should be barred because transphobic people "might" abuse it by pretending to be trans so they can win trophies. This is about as stupid as saying that we should get rid of MBE programs because racists might similarly abuse the process by pretending to be black so they can win government grants. Now do you understand how freakin' stupid and ridiculous your bs arguments are?

Ultimately, the argument against trans participation in youth sports always boils down to "I hate trans people and will make whatever excuse it takes to rationalize it."
 
I think the main factor limiting this is the fact that most trans athletes are decent people.

They know that they have a huge advantage over female athletes and have no desire
to beat up on some girls to win a trophy. < -BINGO !!! 100%


My guess is that most quality mtf trans athletes end up on coed college club teams, and
you never hear about them.


The TRUTH.
 
There are so many transphobic premises from your whiny diatribe that it is hard to know where to start.

First, it is not cheating because the rules allow it. It is also not deception. The coaches know. The clubs know. The teammates know. The leagues know. In fact, everyone knew in Lia Thomas' case, giving all of you transphobic whiners the identity of the person to direct your death threats and hate mail. With trans youth, however, sometimes the opposing players don't know, or their shitbag transphobic parents, but that mere fact pretty clearly destroys your sad and pathetic assertion that trans participation results in an "unfair" advantage. But, as the Lia THomas situation shows, it is also important to not broadcast their status to the opposing team's transphobic daddies like you because we know people like you will harass and send death threats to children who deserve better.

How do you miss 5' 9" to 6' 1" (Height varies according to source)
Wingspan (Approx Arm Length) 74"
Average Womans (Approx Arm) 69"
That is an advantage of 5" to the touch pad, just that.
It holds true in whatever sport you compare.


In fact, we know your kind will harass and send death threats to people you apparently concede deserve empathy due to the difficult lives they have lived. In fact, we all know about the one crazy guy at this site who tried to out an 11 year old girl who believed was trans, and humiliate her publicly at both the tournament and in this thread. In other words, there are important privacy interests that support ECNL and CIF policy of limiting disclosure to only those who have a need to know, and not broadcasting it to shitbag dads like you, many of whom will threaten to kill children. Perhaps the most important point to be gleaned from not telling the opposing team's transphobic daddies, however, is that if you can't identify a trans player on the field - and no one here has - it is a joke to claim that they have an "unfair" advantage. You and your friends just call their participation cheating" because you hate trans children and aren't getting your way.

Your assumption that being trans is a "mental health problem" and the result of abuse and poor parenting is also incredibly transphobic. Regardless, your lack of empathy is, well, not surprising.

Nor is your complete lack of logic skills. Your assertion that identifying as black would allow you to start a minority business and "profit massively" is also blatantly racist, but I will focus on it being a terrible example. The reason it is a terrible example is because you would actually be cheating and deceiving people, whereas the trans players are actually following the rules. If a government entity allowed participation as an MBE to those who merely "identify" as black, you disclosed that you were merely "identifying" as black, and you were then allowed to participate, that would be an equivalent comparison. But they do not for obvious reasons, which are the same obvious reasons that the NCAA, the IOC and women's professional sports leagues make it so difficult, and impossible in most circumstances, for a trans woman to participate.

What is nuts about your "comparison", however, is that you are ignoring the much better comparison with arguments being made by your transphobic friends. They claim that trans participation in youth sports should be barred because transphobic people "might" abuse it by pretending to be trans so they can win trophies. This is about as stupid as saying that we should get rid of MBE programs because racists might similarly abuse the process by pretending to be black so they can win government grants. Now do you understand how freakin' stupid and ridiculous your bs arguments are?

Ultimately, the argument against trans participation in youth sports always boils down to "I hate trans people and will make whatever excuse it takes to rationalize it."


Denial doesn't make it Right.

It's CHEATING.

You know it.

Post # 683 is correct.
 
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