Trans eligibility rules for girls sports.

[SurFutbol]

Hmmm, been away for awhile. Is @SurFutbol the reincarnation of someone previously banned? (EOTL) Anyway, let me introduce myself.

So, humans in the US are not allowed to buy Alcohol or Cigarettes til the age of 21 becuase they lack the capacity to understand the consequences of those decisions. HOWEVER, they can choose to cut off their penis or boobs at the age of 14 and are encouraged to do so by Medicare and Politicians who in fact profit off of these procedures through lobbying and insurance.

Has anyone here ever looked at an insurance bill, for like an ankle brace or knee brace. Your Ortho will charge insurance $300 for a $50 brace. I could go on and on.

And let me be clear, nothing against the trans community after the age 18. At that point you are an adult but I consider parents who allow and encourage surgery before age 18 to be child abusers. If you don't know what you want to do in life, then you shouldn't be choosing what make believe gender you are.

Lastly, in my reading up, people like @SurFutbol are the ones who will yell, kick, scream and insult when they might be losing a point. See above. Taking a low blow at Christians AND Muslims which make up 55% of the world. Can't remember the last time I saw any Christian or Muslim in the US stoning a trans nor have I seen it condoned. I guess you prefer Sam Smith and Kim Petrus prancing around like the Devil and its worshippers and everything the Devil's morals stand for.

More later.

You haven't seen trans people murdered because you haven't looked and you also don't care. You are seriously claiming that you pay $300 for a brace because a couple trans kids got gender affirming care? Last time I checked, gender affirming care costs a lot less to "society" than having to deal with the costs of having children because of "Christians" blocking access to contraceptive care and then abortions.

Hey, at least you admit your god makes you hate trans people, which presumably means you also hate gay people. This is where you roll out your bs "We love everyone, so please ignore us when we take away their civil rights."

Thank you for coming. I am really glad we have another transphobe who is willing to just come right out and tell everyone how much they hate trans people.

 

[SurFutbol]

Just the type of trans person I want sharing a locker room...

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1622738730401550341

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1591589592234426371

This one looks like he/she is VERY mentally stable. You'll notice no peircings in the beginning along with a normal voice.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1621621138882461696

It is a very common tactic of transphobes to show a few tweets of trans people they don't like for the purpose of insinuating that they're all scary and immoral.

Honestly, it is pretty crazy that you're scared of trans people given how frequently cis men routinely rape girls in school bathrooms. I'm sure you rationalize all the cis male teachers and coaches who have raped little girls by trying to lump them into one "sexually deviant" category that includes trans and gay people. But the reality is that your daughters who are terrible at soccer have far more to worry about in the school locker room (or anywhere) from your kind than from a trans child.

It is so great to have people like you here to help make it very clear why it is so important to continue protecting trans children.

 

[SurFutbol]

Welcome back Mars. Based on all your posts, your a fair minded papa and a true American. I look forward to hearing more points of view from the great @MARsSPEED. I feel bad for singers who just want to sing. What one has to do in order to be a pro singer is insane. You are forced to watch and support the worship of Satan. CBS news called "worship time" and the who worship service was sponsored by a drug company that makes the jabs. We have SF going low once again. This is insane to watch unfold by I did warn you a few years ago that this would happen. I just didn't know how and I still don't. Were in the Mother of all wars and Mother Nature is not happy.

This makes a lot of sense.

 

[dad4]

I can't help those who can't read. I actually quoted the article for you. The articles I quoted were also pretty clear that transgender participation in youth sports is much lower due to the bullying and harassment they face participating with their own gender. You are clearly just a transphobic clown, and not amount of definitive proof or studies will ever result in you getting over your hatred of trans children. That is a common issue with religious folk.

Do you need me to find the part that says the study could not establish any link between sports participation and LGBTQ suicidal inclinations?

Sentence three in conclusions:

“ For LGBQ students, team sports participation at any level was associated with reduced likelihood of depression but did not affect the likelihood of suicidal ideation. “.

Now, as I said, it looks more like an underpowered study than proof that there is no association. The most likely case is that sports are protective for both gay and straight kids, against both depression and suicide, and to similar degrees.

Not that you care. You seem mostly interested in using the high suicide rate to make your political case for you.

 

[SurFutbol]

Do you need me to find the part that says the study could not establish any link between sports participation and LGBTQ suicidal inclinations?

Sentence three in conclusions:

“ For LGBQ students, team sports participation at any level was associated with reduced likelihood of depression but did not affect the likelihood of suicidal ideation. “.

Now, as I said, it looks more like an underpowered study than proof that there is no association. The most likely case is that sports are protective for both gay and straight kids, against both depression and suicide, and to similar degrees.

Not that you care. You seem mostly interested in using the high suicide rate to make your political case for you.

Uh, you think that highlighting the half of a sentence that you like will cause people not to read the half that expressly contradicts your point? Here, let me fix it for you: "For LGBQ students, team sports participation at any level was associated with reduced likelihood of depression but did not affect the likelihood of suicidal ideation. Of course, you also intentionally omitted the next sentence which was specific to transgender students and expressly stated that participation in a least two team sports was associated with reduced likelihood of suicidal ideation.

You know you're intentionally lying here, we all know it, but that is what transphobes need to do because they just don't have any good arguments to support their position. You really should keep your little princess out of bathrooms and locker rooms....

 

[MARsSPEED]

You haven't seen trans people murdered because you haven't looked and you also don't care. You are seriously claiming that you pay $300 for a brace because a couple trans kids got gender affirming care? Last time I checked, gender affirming care costs a lot less to "society" than having to deal with the costs of having children because of "Christians" blocking access to contraceptive care and then abortions.

Hey, at least you admit your god makes you hate trans people, which presumably means you also hate gay people. This is where you roll out your bs "We love everyone, so please ignore us when we take away their civil rights."

Thank you for coming. I am really glad we have another transphobe who is willing to just come right out and tell everyone how much they hate trans people.

I guess you can’t read either or make a decent counter argument. Never said that Doctors charge insurance so much because of Trans kids. I used it as an example of how Doctors make money off the kids they are damaging. Nor did I ever say I hate gay or trans people. That is a poor assumption especially since I have family members that are gay who I happily hang out and have beers with. I respect their opinion but they also respect mine unlike you. And honestly, my opinion doesn’t have to do with anything Christian but more about not understanding or being able to wrap my head around choWe are allowed to have our own opinions you know but you obviously have something against all religions and opinions different than yours. You mentioned not caring about Trans people. You probably have been cheering the enormous amount of Muslims who were just killed in Turkey simply because they disagree with you.

You can call me a transphobe all you want, it doesn’t bother me in the slightest. It’s a choice I simply don’t agree with just like at least 3.5 BILLION other people.

Being Gay or Trans are two totally separate things. IMO, being trans is much much more of a mental disability that needs counseling under the age of 18, not coddling. After age 18, game on though, we live in a free country.

You are actually the one consumed by hate, labeling religions among other things by all your posts, bringing very weak arguments at the same time. Remember, making assumptions about adults and hurling racist insults against people, in fact makes you look weak.

If I see a trans posting on IG or Twitter posting a pic with boner wearing a skirt, that person is entitled to criticism and an opinion. If they never posted that, then nobody would ever know.

 

[MARsSPEED]

Uh, you think that highlighting the half of a sentence that you like will cause people not to read the half that expressly contradicts your point? Here, let me fix it for you: "For LGBQ students, team sports participation at any level was associated with reduced likelihood of depression but did not affect the likelihood of suicidal ideation. Of course, you also intentionally omitted the next sentence which was specific to transgender students and expressly stated that participation in a least two team sports was associated with reduced likelihood of suicidal ideation.

You know you're intentionally lying here, we all know it, but that is what transphobes need to do because they just don't have any good arguments to support their position. You really should keep your little princess out of bathrooms and locker rooms....

No good arguments huh…let’s go back to the beginning then, especially if you appreciate science.

Boys have a penis. Girls have a Vagina. Males play sports with males. Females play sports with females. Co-ed is for both male and female. Co-ed then is dominated by teams with more males than females or teams with the best males.

Currently there are only 50 transgender athletes in the NCAA. One of them won the NCAA Championship in swimming and the Woman of the Year. To compare, there are currently almost 52-217,500 NCAA female athletes. In other words, a demographic that represents 0.02% of female athletes won an individual NCAA D1 Championship and the Woman of the Year award because she has an extreme advantage over others. If the Trans population was closer to a realistic 0.75 percent, 850 Trans(or 17x), how many more are winning Championships in the NCAA. The Olympics are just more of the same.

Prove me wrong.

 

[dad4]

No good arguments huh…let’s go back to the beginning then, especially if you appreciate science.

Boys have a penis. Girls have a Vagina. Males play sports with males. Females play sports with females. Co-ed is for both male and female. Co-ed then is dominated by teams with more males than females or teams with the best males.

Currently there are only 50 transgender athletes in the NCAA. One of them won the NCAA Championship in swimming and the Woman of the Year. To compare, there are currently almost 52-217,500 NCAA female athletes. In other words, a demographic that represents 0.02% of female athletes won an individual NCAA D1 Championship and the Woman of the Year award because she has an extreme advantage over others. If the Trans population was closer to a realistic 0.75 percent, 850 Trans(or 17x), how many more are winning Championships in the NCAA. The Olympics are just more of the same.

Prove me wrong.

I think the main factor limiting this is the fact that most trans athletes are decent people. They know that they have a huge advantage over female athletes and have no desire to beat up on some girls to win a trophy.

My guess is that most quality mtf trans athletes end up on coed college club teams, and you never hear about them.

 

[Grace T.]

No good arguments huh…let’s go back to the beginning then, especially if you appreciate science.

Boys have a penis. Girls have a Vagina. Males play sports with males. Females play sports with females. Co-ed is for both male and female. Co-ed then is dominated by teams with more males than females or teams with the best males.

Currently there are only 50 transgender athletes in the NCAA. One of them won the NCAA Championship in swimming and the Woman of the Year. To compare, there are currently almost 52-217,500 NCAA female athletes. In other words, a demographic that represents 0.02% of female athletes won an individual NCAA D1 Championship and the Woman of the Year award because she has an extreme advantage over others. If the Trans population was closer to a realistic 0.75 percent, 850 Trans(or 17x), how many more are winning Championships in the NCAA. The Olympics are just more of the same.

Prove me wrong.

Your statement seeks to prove too much. The only thing this proves is in Lia Thomas' case, the NCAA rules were arguably too flexible. The NCAA has rebalanced the rules recently and the new question is are the new rules sufficiently rebalanced. It is quite possible that the rules can never be balanced sufficiently so the advantage of a trans athlete with always remain "extreme". If that's the case, a separate league may need to be set up (which has the advantaged of addressing too the long neglected FTM....that's one thing that has me scratching my head on the college level that everyone on the left worries about the MTF but have neglected the FTM) with scholarships taken from the m and f programs. The answer may vary from sport to sport with the individual sports being far more susceptible than the team sports. The question of the balance in the programs, though, is a scientific one that can and should be measured...it's not as simple as the blanket statements in your second paragraph which is anything but science.

 

[Happened again]

You haven't seen trans people murdered because you haven't looked and you also don't care. You are seriously claiming that you pay $300 for a brace because a couple trans kids got gender affirming care? Last time I checked, gender affirming care costs a lot less to "society" than having to deal with the costs of having children because of "Christians" blocking access to contraceptive care and then abortions.

coooco indeed. Your hatred of religion is on par with your crazed perception that there are parents on here that hate trans children. Just wondering how you quantify "gender affirming care costs a lot less to "society" than having to deal with the costs of having children because of "Christians" blocking access to contraceptive care and then abortions"

Please connect the dots for me. It appears that you want to enlighten everyone on post surgical gender affirming care.

 

[SurFutbol]

coooco indeed. Your hatred of religion is on par with your crazed perception that there are parents on here that hate trans children. Just wondering how you quantify "gender affirming care costs a lot less to "society" than having to deal with the costs of having children because of "Christians" blocking access to contraceptive care and then abortions"

Please connect the dots for me. It appears that you want to enlighten everyone on post surgical gender affirming care.

Why don't you first explain your friend's argument that gender affirming care is the reason his kid's $50 brace costs $300?

I don't hate religious bigots. I love them so much, just as they proclaim to love the gay and trans people whose civil rights they want to destroy.

 

[SurFutbol]

No good arguments huh…let’s go back to the beginning then, especially if you appreciate science.

Boys have a penis. Girls have a Vagina. Males play sports with males. Females play sports with females. Co-ed is for both male and female. Co-ed then is dominated by teams with more males than females or teams with the best males.

Currently there are only 50 transgender athletes in the NCAA. One of them won the NCAA Championship in swimming and the Woman of the Year. To compare, there are currently almost 52-217,500 NCAA female athletes. In other words, a demographic that represents 0.02% of female athletes won an individual NCAA D1 Championship and the Woman of the Year award because she has an extreme advantage over others. If the Trans population was closer to a realistic 0.75 percent, 850 Trans(or 17x), how many more are winning Championships in the NCAA. The Olympics are just more of the same.

Prove me wrong.

I think you missed the part about private entities deciding who can participate in their leagues. Why are you so anti-free market? And if co-ed isn't "unsafe" and "going to kill people", why on earth do you clowns claim that one trans player on a youth team is "dangerous"? And why is it ok for a league to allow co-ed participation, but not a trans player? It does sound like you're hung up on semantics, so let me make it clear to you that when the NCAA calls a sport a "women's sport", they are going with the Webster's Dictionary definition that includes those who identify as female. Consider your problem solved.

You might also want to talk to a statistician about standard deviation and sample sizes. There have also been more than 150 NCAA D1 women's team championships since the NCAA first allowed trans participation. When you add in all the individual titles for swimming, diving, track, x-country and all the other individual sports, as you have done, there have been 1000s. The reality is that trans women have won far less than 0.02% of their overall female demographic moron.

Also, your assertion that Lia Thomas was the NCAA Woman of the Year is a lie. Regardless, she was nominated not for her athletic achievements but for her courage in overcoming all the harassment that transphobic shitbags keep piling onto her. Were you one of those who made death threats against her? Or just posted one transphobic meme after the next?

 

[SurFutbol]

I guess you can’t read either or make a decent counter argument. Never said that Doctors charge insurance so much because of Trans kids. I used it as an example of how Doctors make money off the kids they are damaging. Nor did I ever say I hate gay or trans people. That is a poor assumption especially since I have family members that are gay who I happily hang out and have beers with. I respect their opinion but they also respect mine unlike you. And honestly, my opinion doesn’t have to do with anything Christian but more about not understanding or being able to wrap my head around choWe are allowed to have our own opinions you know but you obviously have something against all religions and opinions different than yours. You mentioned not caring about Trans people. You probably have been cheering the enormous amount of Muslims who were just killed in Turkey simply because they disagree with you.

You can call me a transphobe all you want, it doesn’t bother me in the slightest. It’s a choice I simply don’t agree with just like at least 3.5 BILLION other people.

Being Gay or Trans are two totally separate things. IMO, being trans is much much more of a mental disability that needs counseling under the age of 18, not coddling. After age 18, game on though, we live in a free country.

You are actually the one consumed by hate, labeling religions among other things by all your posts, bringing very weak arguments at the same time. Remember, making assumptions about adults and hurling racist insults against people, in fact makes you look weak.

If I see a trans posting on IG or Twitter posting a pic with boner wearing a skirt, that person is entitled to criticism and an opinion. If they never posted that, then nobody would ever know.

My arguments are so weak that ECNL, CIF, the NCAA and the Olympics all agree with me? Wow that you're scouring the Internet for trans dick picks, btw. That's a pretty clear sign of repression, and that you probably need counseling more than anyone who admits to being trans.

 

[Happened again]

Why don't you first explain your friend's argument that gender affirming care is the reason his kid's $50 brace costs $300?

I don't hate religious bigots. I love them so much, just as they proclaim to love the gay and trans people whose civil rights they want to destroy.

ahhh, lovely skin deep response. So dramatic but I understand.

 

[SurFutbol]

ahhh, lovely skin deep response. So dramatic but I understand.

Your friends' transphobic memes are so thoughtful. But I understand why you duck and cover when they pipe up.

 

[thirteenknots]

I could be wrong, but I think you've already made that bs statement once or twice already. One thing I do know, however, is that your children have no business in sports because they're terrible at them.

I do relish your participation, however, because it is people like you who best prove my point. Even your fellow transphobes scatter like cockroaches when you roll in.

You're right....

And I will NEVER deviate from the TRUTH.....

The TRUTH is forever.

Males do not belong in Female sports.
It's CHEATING.

PERIOD !!!

 

[dad4]

My arguments are so weak that ECNL, CIF, the NCAA and the Olympics all agree with me?

Organizations like FIFA, NCAA, and IOC would agree with anyone for the right price.

Their support proves nothing other than that they think it's easier to throw women's sport under the bus than risk a leftist boycott.

Every once in a while, the headlines find a Rio Olympics 800m or a Lia Thomas. When that happens, the standards bodies take a half measure to fix it. But they really don't give a crap one way or the other.

 

[crush]

Organizations like FIFA, NCAA, and IOC would agree with anyone for the right price.

Their support proves nothing other than that they think it's easier to throw women's sport under the bus than risk a leftist boycott.

Every once in a while, the headlines find a Rio Olympics 800m or a Lia Thomas. When that happens, the standards bodies take a half measure to fix it. But they really don't give a crap one way or the other.

You want to play? You need to pay to play and if the price is right, you get to play.

 

[MARsSPEED]

Why don't you first explain your friend's argument that gender affirming care is the reason his kid's $50 brace costs $300?

I don't hate religious bigots. I love them so much, just as they proclaim to love the gay and trans people whose civil rights they want to destroy.

There he is, never said “gender affirming care” has anything to do with the rediculous prices that Insurance is charged by doctors. I did say doctors and Hospital are in the market of making money and care more about that than damaging a human for life. Anyway, if you don’t believe me, here is an article from almost 4 years ago and things have only gotten worse. Why do you think Biden talked about capping pharmaceutical prices for seniors last night? Same but different.

A Hospital Charged This Soccer Player $829 for a Knee Brace. It Costs Less Than $250 Online

The price of a brace brought this soccer player to his knees.

money.com

 

[Grace T.]

Organizations like FIFA, NCAA, and IOC would agree with anyone for the right price.

Their support proves nothing other than that they think it's easier to throw women's sport under the bus than risk a leftist boycott.

Every once in a while, the headlines find a Rio Olympics 800m or a Lia Thomas. When that happens, the standards bodies take a half measure to fix it. But they really don't give a crap one way or the other.

I seem to recall that on another topic on this forum several other people made these arguments to you and we got back “trust the experts” and “who are you to be questioning them”. We even got “why can’t you just shut up and stop questioning them”.
As to the so-called half measures we got something along the lines of “they have your best interests at heart” and “they are learning as they go based on evolving conditions”
funny how the worm turns with you.

 

[MARsSPEED]

My arguments are so weak that ECNL, CIF, the NCAA and the Olympics all agree with me? Wow that you're scouring the Internet for trans dick picks, btw. That's a pretty clear sign of repression, and that you probably need counseling more than anyone who admits to being trans.

Nobody has to scan the internet. And also, those are not memes but reposts of some moron or mentally unstable person who originally posted that in the first place. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes and be ridiculed.

And yes, any argument that says male born trans do not have a physical advantage over females is a weak argument. It is cheating whether you admit it or not.

We have had two female-to-male players on my DD team over the years. I actually almost got into a fight with an opposing parent because of his insensitive remarks towards one of these players. Here is the difference though. She (he) plays on an elite level girls team because she was only able to make the 3rd team. This is the case for most, especially as they age. Extremely rare cases like Alyssa Thompson and Mia Gyua were able to play on the Boys side at later ages. Males have 99.9999999999999999999% worries about a F2M player affecting them, but when you put the shoe on the other foot, females are impacted at least 10 fold.

This issue is more about protecting our young females from being robbed of competing against equal competition and not the feelings of those children with mental health problems that are likely a result of abuse and poor parenting. To expand on that, the Trans population, if we take the upper end is 0.75%. To stack on top of that, trans athletes probably account 10% of that tiny population. At most we are probably talking 1 female per 1,000 females that play a sport.

In return, supporters of this idealogy, want to allow outright cheating, alienating of many others around, all setting a dangerous precedent where it is ok to lie and cheat.

For the sake of debate, if I decided I identified as a black person when I was 18, by these standards, I would be able to start a minority business and profit massively as white man through lying and cheating (even though act ignorant to that fact) even though identify as Black. Meanwhile, I am getting more opportunities than genetic Blacks because I am white, AN UNFAIR ADVANTAGE.

Not sure if you watched “You People” on Netflix yet, a great movie btw, there is a scene at the rehearsal dinner between Jonah Hill and Eddie Murphy. The end of the sequence ends in I know an asshole when I see one. You are that asshole.