Spain Women and thoughts on ECNL

Why AT v TR? Not sure who SM is but assuming it’s AM, I disagree. AT, SS, TR of LW would have been an interesting front line!

SM is SS typo. AM out and MR should have never played. The trio you mentioned would have been the one ai would have like to witnessed as well.
 
Alyssa Thompson is freakish fast with explosive acceleration. .She has to be hitting the 30m sprint time <4 seconds. She has good dribbling ability and is not afraid to take on any player 1v1 with a very high success rate. What I think the US will continue to do is pick players that are big, fast and strong in key areas of the field but that also have decent technical ability. Why not have the best of both worlds. Forwards don’t have to be big maybe strong enough. In fact being too big as a forward may work against you and diminish your mobility and agility. Average height is best for forwards. With the pool of selection of players US soccer has I wouldn’t be choosing non athletic players that have great technical skills. While they may shine in lower leve games, they won’t make it at the higher levels. If I were US soccer I’d be looking fast, strong athletic technical players that are coachable
and that have the ability to understand and apply tactics. There is a minimum threshold needed for speed, stamina and strength required to play at the highest level. You just gotta make sure that these athletes have good technique and a brain to play the game.let’s be honest athleticism matters but it better come with technique and a brain. We don’t need track stars. Just fast enough and strong enough. US soccer seems to be only looking at track stars.
AT has all of those and yes, I believe she could and would have made an impact or at least done more than Rapinoe or AM did. LW and AT should have seen more time!!!
 
who would have been more effective AT or TR? Both fast, AT with a little more acceleration, TR with more strength and power. I would not have moved SM since she is our best forward. Do you think AT could have made a difference given her inexperience?
Rodman, but you get three.

Maybe Smith, Rodman, Hatch. Thompson in at 65' to see whether the defense has enough legs left to run with her.
 
Why AT v TR? Not sure who SM is but assuming it’s AM, I disagree. AT, SS, TR of LW would have been an interesting front line!
My mistake. SM=typo. The real letters were suppossed to be SS. I wanted to see TR, SS, and AT up top to wreak havoc and score lot's of goals. We looked tired with what we had up top. The speed of TR, AT and SS would have been fun to watch and ability to score is huge. We had issues finishing our PKs and missed some shots. Besides that, we could have won the Cup with some luck and not so many injuries. Mid field was rough and like Luis said, they didn't get the looks like they would have. AS would have been nice to see get some looks
 
She stayed local, played under good coaches, never chased a trophy!

Didn’t rely on a League to make her better, her family took that upon themselves and she trained her ass off to get where she wanted to be.

I don’t know enough about her youth story. What club did she play for? What league ? Curious. If this is a knock on me for taking my DD out of ECNL to go play MLS then my response is that I don’t live in SD so she can learn the type of soccer that I think all youth should be training. As far as trophies, sure that was the past and I learned my lesson. Not too concerned about winning but I originally left Ole not so much to chase trophies but to be in a team that was going to get invited to all the major tournaments and to play vs the best of the best. I think there is value making it to finals and playing in big games. Will definitely make you strong minded player. The one thing I give credit to Blues is that they know how to work the kids mentality and make them tough. So she got that from there. She got the initial possession from ole and the futsal reinforced it. She’s a 3 time national futsal champion. Now why MLS next. First and foremost I need to have her in a fast pace environment where the speed of play will challenge her to make the right decisions quicker under pressure to keep improving her technique under more pressure and with less time and space to adjust her directional touch. She’s not just playing on the sides. She’s playing in the midfield and also as a false 9. A few years of that, when she comes back to the girls game they will be playing in slow motion from her perspective because of that experience. Playing in the midfield vs the best boys in the country is not an easy task much harder than playing the laterals. It requires tremendous technique under pressure and an innate ability to think before you act. Priceless development for a future #10
 
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I don’t know enough about her youth story. What club did she play for? What league ? Curious. If this is a knock on me for taking my DD out of ECNL to go play MLS then my response is that I don’t live in SD so she can learn the type of soccer that I think all youth should be training. As far as trophies, sure that was the past and I learned my lesson. Not too concerned about winning but I originally left Ole not so much to chase trophies but to be in a team that was going to get invited to all the major tournaments and to play vs the best of the best. I think there is value making it to finals and playing in big games. Will definitely make you strong minded player. The one thing I give credit to Blues is that they know how to work the kids mentality and make them tough. So she got that from there. She got the initial possession from ole and the futsal reinforced it. She’s a 3 time national futsal champion. Now why MLS next. First and foremost I need to have her in a fast pace environment where the speed of play will challenge her to make the right decisions quicker under pressure to keep improving her technique under more pressure and with less time and space to adjust her directional touch. She’s not just playing on the sides. She’s playing in the midfield and also as a false 9. A few years of that, when she comes back to the girls game they will be playing in slow motion from her perspective because of that experience. Playing in the midfield vs the best boys in the country is not an easy task much harder than playing the laterals. It requires tremendous technique under pressure and an innate ability to think before you act. Priceless development for a future #10
I know Red Bulls was trying to get girls on their MLS Next teams. It was one of the selling points for how they got the placement. Is that it? (feel free not to say if you prefer not to).

IIRC, your daughter is about the age the boys begin to take off, first in their height and then in their bulk. I think you've correctly assessed what she'll get out of it. She'll come out a beast especially playing in the middle. The downside is that, particularly among the Mexican teams in that league, play gets very physical. The other downside is you'll notice the academy players are all routinely 1-2 years more advanced in physical development than the average boy EA or even MLS Next player. She'll also come out tough as nails, but it will be difficult for her to keep up more than a year or two physically, depending on how much physical work and supplements you are willing to go. That leaves you with a problem when that's done because I agree with you: going back into the girl's game after that will seem like child's play. Think it's Europe for you or bust (hope you have a good immigration lawyer lined up already and are putting those pieces in place because that can take quite a bit of time if you don't hold dual citizenship....if not, you'll want to get looking already).
 
I don’t know enough about her youth story. What club did she play for? What league ? Curious. If this is a knock on me for taking my DD out of ECNL to go play MLS then my response is that I don’t live in SD so she can learn the type of soccer that I think all youth should be training. As far as trophies, sure that was the past and I learned my lesson. Not too concerned about winning but I originally left Ole not so much to chase trophies but to be in a team that was going to get invited to all the major tournaments and to play vs the best of the best. I think there is value making it to finals and playing in big games. Will definitely make you strong minded player. The one thing I give credit to Blues is that they know how to work the kids mentality and make them tough. So she got that from there. She got the initial possession from ole and the futsal reinforced it. She’s a 3 time national futsal champion. Now why MLS next. First and foremost I need to have her in a fast pace environment where the speed of play will challenge her to make the right decisions quicker under pressure to keep improving her technique under more pressure and with less time and space to adjust her directional touch. She’s not just playing on the sides. She’s playing in the midfield and also as a false 9. A few years of that, when she comes back to the girls game they will be playing in slow motion from her perspective because of that experience. Playing in the midfield vs the best boys in the country is not an easy task much harder than playing the laterals. It requires tremendous technique under pressure and an innate ability to think before you act. Priceless development for a future #10
To each his own. I wanted your thoughts on chasing a top coach? Chasing=Not staying local and willing to drive hour+ for top Doc/Coach and not local club. I 100% will be rooting for your #2. My dd played against the boys at school and she loved it so this will only help her. AT and OM did it and look were they're at today. Lots of options. Stay local and play pro here in the USA like AT or go to Europe and play pro and chase a champion's league cup.
 
Let me rephrase my statement. Maybe the do know but they don’t explain like this to kids. Maybe they are simplify things a bit too much or maybe since they have always played direct they just don’t know how to apply these concepts and have it translate to kids executing it right on the pitch. Who knows. I’ve always hear docs saying we go from offense to defense and back to offense. That’s as far as most go. The problem with that statement is that possession soccer is not that simple and that frame of reference can quickly make your young possession team very vulnerable if kids don’t understand the objectives of what they are trying to accomplish in that style of play.

I don't think AYSO kids and parents care about possession. I'll bet, in most cases, they're invested about 5 hours per week, max, and care about winning. It's the lack of commitment that results in a lack of patience and, if you try to have 12 year olds play possession soccer, they're going to lose 7-1 every Saturday. Some jackass is going to put his best athlete in the 9 and over the top... over the top... over the top, etc. It's counter intuitive.

Is there any American sport that rewards "possession" over scoring?
 
And when will that ever happen? Winning keeps parents writing checks and getting better seeding at tournaments. Let's not even talk about how embarrassing it is to post a loss on Facebook.
That’s a parent problem not a league or club problem. Everyone wants clubs to change but no one wants to change themselves.

It’s a societal issue with personal accountability.
 
I don’t know enough about her youth story. What club did she play for? What league ? Curious. If this is a knock on me for taking my DD out of ECNL to go play MLS then my response is that I don’t live in SD so she can learn the type of soccer that I think all youth should be training. As far as trophies, sure that was the past and I learned my lesson. Not too concerned about winning but I originally left Ole not so much to chase trophies but to be in a team that was going to get invited to all the major tournaments and to play vs the best of the best. I think there is value making it to finals and playing in big games. Will definitely make you strong minded player. The one thing I give credit to Blues is that they know how to work the kids mentality and make them tough. So she got that from there. She got the initial possession from ole and the futsal reinforced it. She’s a 3 time national futsal champion. Now why MLS next. First and foremost I need to have her in a fast pace environment where the speed of play will challenge her to make the right decisions quicker under pressure to keep improving her technique under more pressure and with less time and space to adjust her directional touch. She’s not just playing on the sides. She’s playing in the midfield and also as a false 9. A few years of that, when she comes back to the girls game they will be playing in slow motion from her perspective because of that experience. Playing in the midfield vs the best boys in the country is not an easy task much harder than playing the laterals. It requires tremendous technique under pressure and an innate ability to think before you act. Priceless development for a future #10

She played for Beach FC, her entire career. So it was SCDSL, then DA then ECNL.

Not sure why you would take it as a knock on you, but I applaud you for taking your daughter and playing her in an MLS league. That is something that a T and her sister GT both have done and had tremendous success.

Everyone has their own path. Often times parents push it and go chase the trophy and sometimes they do it for the right reasons when the coaching is legitimately better. But more often than not I’ve seen those who have opted to make long drives to play for a big trophy Clubs come back a year or two later with regret. Again, not a knock on you, but more of a warning for all those out there who may be reading this thread.
 
That’s a parent problem not a league or club problem. Everyone wants clubs to change but no one wants to change themselves.

It’s a societal issue with personal accountability.

Everything has a cause. In this case the winning is everything attitude is rooted in that youth soccer is different things for different people. For the vast majority it is like little league so winning is literally everything...it's why they are there. And it really only takes a handful of those people to poison the well, because they tend to be the most vocal. For another chunk it's college, but the team has to be good enough then to get the key showcases and get seen by the right people, but also to develop, and the parents don't have a rubric to measure development outside of the wins. For another much smaller it's potential pro/WNT path where development most matters.

On the boys side it gets better the higher up you move the ladder, with AYSO core being the most crazy. At the academy level, there's a long line of boys trying to get into even the worst team, and even the lower level academy teams can beat up on the regular MLS Next teams, so there's no real danger even a poor season will blow up the team.

It's a structural issue, which the solution is we are talking future pros, is probably to separate them and to, like Europe, go even earlier into the academies. Ideally, we'd reform the transfer fee issues as well which would mitigate a lot of this, but that's realistically not going to happen.
 
I don't think AYSO kids and parents care about possession. I'll bet, in most cases, they're invested about 5 hours per week, max, and care about winning. It's the lack of commitment that results in a lack of patience and, if you try to have 12 year olds play possession soccer, they're going to lose 7-1 every Saturday. Some jackass is going to put his best athlete in the 9 and over the top... over the top... over the top, etc. It's counter intuitive.

Is there any American sport that rewards "possession" over scoring?
Soccer doesn't.
 
I don’t know enough about her youth story. What club did she play for? What league ? Curious. If this is a knock on me for taking my DD out of ECNL to go play MLS then my response is that I don’t live in SD so she can learn the type of soccer that I think all youth should be training. As far as trophies, sure that was the past and I learned my lesson. Not too concerned about winning but I originally left Ole not so much to chase trophies but to be in a team that was going to get invited to all the major tournaments and to play vs the best of the best. I think there is value making it to finals and playing in big games. Will definitely make you strong minded player. The one thing I give credit to Blues is that they know how to work the kids mentality and make them tough. So she got that from there. She got the initial possession from ole and the futsal reinforced it. She’s a 3 time national futsal champion. Now why MLS next. First and foremost I need to have her in a fast pace environment where the speed of play will challenge her to make the right decisions quicker under pressure to keep improving her technique under more pressure and with less time and space to adjust her directional touch. She’s not just playing on the sides. She’s playing in the midfield and also as a false 9. A few years of that, when she comes back to the girls game they will be playing in slow motion from her perspective because of that experience. Playing in the midfield vs the best boys in the country is not an easy task much harder than playing the laterals. It requires tremendous technique under pressure and an innate ability to think before you act. Priceless development for a future #10
As someone with a daughter that plays on a boys team 1× a week (practice only) + has been doing it for several years here's a little advise if your ultimate plan is to return back to the girls game.

Boys and girls at the highest levels play very differently. Girls tend to do exactly what the coaches say. Boys 3 out of 4 times will do what coaches say but 1 time will something different if it works they keep doing it unless a coach addresses + says not to. Over time this type of behavior adds up + is what evolves the boys game faster than the girls. (Looking at things purely from a skills perspective)

Boys simply are stronger, faster, and bigger than girls. It's hard for girls to compete if a ref is allowing "battle" soccer over skills.

Here's one you don't know yet but will quickly figure out. When you go back to the girls game your daughter will have more skills than her teammates but she'll regress quickly because the girls around her aren't as good as the boys were.

To truly take advantage of the skills girls gain playing with boys you need a group of 3-4 mids that are all doing it at the same time.
 
With the pool of selection of players US soccer has I wouldn’t be choosing non athletic players that have great technical skills. While they may shine in lower leve games, they won’t make it at the higher levels. If I were US soccer I’d be looking fast, strong athletic technical players that are coachable and that have the ability to understand and apply tactics. There is a minimum threshold needed for speed, stamina and strength required to play at the highest level. You just gotta make sure that these athletes have good technique and a brain to play the game. let’s be honest athleticism matters but it better come with technique and a brain. We don’t need track stars. Just fast enough and strong enough. US soccer seems to be only looking at track stars.
I always shake my head when we hear about coaches taking athletes over players with good technical skills. We never hear about such a thing in basketball because the game is different. As noted on this thread, at an early age, it's easy to win at soccer with better athletes, as players with the technical skills to overcome this athleticism are rare, even in Spain, I would guess. The challenge of changing our culture to accept "development over winning" is daunting. Instead, US Soccer should support changing the game of competitive youth soccer. Have two games in one. Half of the game day is spent with the same game they play now. The other half is spent playing a "small-ball" game without a goalie, emphasizing the skills and tactics of possession. I won't claim to know any offhand, but Deza used many, and I'm sure we could find an appropriate one. I just realized this could also double the number of trophies per tournament. ;)
 
I always shake my head when we hear about coaches taking athletes over players with good technical skills. We never hear about such a thing in basketball because the game is different. As noted on this thread, at an early age, it's easy to win at soccer with better athletes, as players with the technical skills to overcome this athleticism are rare, even in Spain, I would guess. The challenge of changing our culture to accept "development over winning" is daunting. Instead, US Soccer should support changing the game of competitive youth soccer. Have two games in one. Half of the game day is spent with the same game they play now. The other half is spent playing a "small-ball" game without a goalie, emphasizing the skills and tactics of possession. I won't claim to know any offhand, but Deza used many, and I'm sure we could find an appropriate one. I just realized this could also double the number of trophies per tournament. ;)
Small ball soccer is the best way to go, even when the girls are older. 5 v 5 keep away and look for ways to move without the rock in small sides and give and the go. I also think both and works here. Maybe play one tournament a quarter for the medal chasers, then the other weeks in between, will be small sided, no GK league. Have some sort of rule that demands all players touch the rock before you look to score.
 
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