To each his own. I wanted your thoughts on chasing a top coach? Chasing=Not staying local and willing to drive hour+ for top Doc/Coach and not local club. I 100% will be rooting for your #2. My dd played against the boys at school and she loved it so this will only help her. AT and OM did it and look were they're at today. Lots of options. Stay local and play pro here in the USA like AT or go to Europe and play pro and chase a champion's league cup.
Spain Women and thoughts on ECNL
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I don't think AYSO kids and parents care about possession. I'll bet, in most cases, they're invested about 5 hours per week, max, and care about winning. It's the lack of commitment that results in a lack of patience and, if you try to have 12 year olds play possession soccer, they're going to lose 7-1 every Saturday. Some jackass is going to put his best athlete in the 9 and over the top... over the top... over the top, etc. It's counter intuitive.
Is there any American sport that rewards "possession" over scoring?
And when will that ever happen? Winning keeps parents writing checks and getting better seeding at tournaments. Let's not even talk about how embarrassing it is to post a loss on Facebook.
That’s a parent problem not a league or club problem. Everyone wants clubs to change but no one wants to change themselves.
It’s a societal issue with personal accountability.
She played for Beach FC, her entire career. So it was SCDSL, then DA then ECNL.
Not sure why you would take it as a knock on you, but I applaud you for taking your daughter and playing her in an MLS league. That is something that a T and her sister GT both have done and had tremendous success.
Everyone has their own path. Often times parents push it and go chase the trophy and sometimes they do it for the right reasons when the coaching is legitimately better. But more often than not I’ve seen those who have opted to make long drives to play for a big trophy Clubs come back a year or two later with regret. Again, not a knock on you, but more of a warning for all those out there who may be reading this thread.
Everything has a cause. In this case the winning is everything attitude is rooted in that youth soccer is different things for different people. For the vast majority it is like little league so winning is literally everything...it's why they are there. And it really only takes a handful of those people to poison the well, because they tend to be the most vocal. For another chunk it's college, but the team has to be good enough then to get the key showcases and get seen by the right people, but also to develop, and the parents don't have a rubric to measure development outside of the wins. For another much smaller it's potential pro/WNT path where development most matters.
On the boys side it gets better the higher up you move the ladder, with AYSO core being the most crazy. At the academy level, there's a long line of boys trying to get into even the worst team, and even the lower level academy teams can beat up on the regular MLS Next teams, so there's no real danger even a poor season will blow up the team.
It's a structural issue, which the solution is we are talking future pros, is probably to separate them and to, like Europe, go even earlier into the academies. Ideally, we'd reform the transfer fee issues as well which would mitigate a lot of this, but that's realistically not going to happen.
Soccer doesn't.
MS, SS, TR for my line in the olympics. CM attacking mid, AT first off the bench.
But MS was unavailable, and I think CM is actually KM if we are on the same page. unless you mean CM, who was also unavailable. But does bode well for the future.
All the abbreviations remind me of this movie line….
“Excuse me, sir. Seeing as how the V.P. is such a V.I.P., shouldn't we keep the P.C. on the Q.T.? 'Cause if it leaks to the V.C. he could end up M.I.A., and then we'd all be put out in K.P.”
“Excuse me, sir. Seeing as how the V.P. is such a V.I.P., shouldn't we keep the P.C. on the Q.T.? 'Cause if it leaks to the V.C. he could end up M.I.A., and then we'd all be put out in K.P.”
As someone with a daughter that plays on a boys team 1× a week (practice only) + has been doing it for several years here's a little advise if your ultimate plan is to return back to the girls game.
Boys and girls at the highest levels play very differently. Girls tend to do exactly what the coaches say. Boys 3 out of 4 times will do what coaches say but 1 time will something different if it works they keep doing it unless a coach addresses + says not to. Over time this type of behavior adds up + is what evolves the boys game faster than the girls. (Looking at things purely from a skills perspective)
Boys simply are stronger, faster, and bigger than girls. It's hard for girls to compete if a ref is allowing "battle" soccer over skills.
Here's one you don't know yet but will quickly figure out. When you go back to the girls game your daughter will have more skills than her teammates but she'll regress quickly because the girls around her aren't as good as the boys were.
To truly take advantage of the skills girls gain playing with boys you need a group of 3-4 mids that are all doing it at the same time.
I think CM is Catarina Macario. Took me 2 hours to figure out MS is Mallory Pugh. I'm wondering why we can't just use last names.
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I always shake my head when we hear about coaches taking athletes over players with good technical skills. We never hear about such a thing in basketball because the game is different. As noted on this thread, at an early age, it's easy to win at soccer with better athletes, as players with the technical skills to overcome this athleticism are rare, even in Spain, I would guess. The challenge of changing our culture to accept "development over winning" is daunting. Instead, US Soccer should support changing the game of competitive youth soccer. Have two games in one. Half of the game day is spent with the same game they play now. The other half is spent playing a "small-ball" game without a goalie, emphasizing the skills and tactics of possession. I won't claim to know any offhand, but Deza used many, and I'm sure we could find an appropriate one. I just realized this could also double the number of trophies per tournament.
Small ball soccer is the best way to go, even when the girls are older. 5 v 5 keep away and look for ways to move without the rock in small sides and give and the go. I also think both and works here. Maybe play one tournament a quarter for the medal chasers, then the other weeks in between, will be small sided, no GK league. Have some sort of rule that demands all players touch the rock before you look to score.I always shake my head when we hear about coaches taking athletes over players with good technical skills. We never hear about such a thing in basketball because the game is different. As noted on this thread, at an early age, it's easy to win at soccer with better athletes, as players with the technical skills to overcome this athleticism are rare, even in Spain, I would guess. The challenge of changing our culture to accept "development over winning" is daunting. Instead, US Soccer should support changing the game of competitive youth soccer. Have two games in one. Half of the game day is spent with the same game they play now. The other half is spent playing a "small-ball" game without a goalie, emphasizing the skills and tactics of possession. I won't claim to know any offhand, but Deza used many, and I'm sure we could find an appropriate one. I just realized this could also double the number of trophies per tournament.
I think you are being generous with 3 our of 4 times. It's more like 1 out of 4, especially once the testosterone starts to surge. 1 out of 4 they are doing what the coach tells them to. 1 out of 4 they might do something experimental and challenging. 2 out of 4 they are neglecting prior instructions given and/or goofing around because they think they know better (but really don't). Boys once the juice starts flowing are idiots. The game evolves despite them because of the vast differences in body types, and the fact they all begin to revel in it and think they are supermen.
I always shake my head when we hear about coaches taking athletes over players with good technical skills. We never hear about such a thing in basketball because the game is different. As noted on this thread, at an early age, it's easy to win at soccer with better athletes, as players with the technical skills to overcome this athleticism are rare, even in Spain, I would guess. The challenge of changing our culture to accept "development over winning" is daunting. Instead, US Soccer should support changing the game of competitive youth soccer. Have two games in one. Half of the game day is spent with the same game they play now. The other half is spent playing a "small-ball" game without a goalie, emphasizing the skills and tactics of possession. I won't claim to know any offhand, but Deza used many, and I'm sure we could find an appropriate one. I just realized this could also double the number of trophies per tournament.
Well we already have something like that. Futsal. It’s 5v5 and it will enhance your technical skills, speed of play tenfold. What clubs should do is start their baby league futsal program. Similar to what Blues did last year. Have them play futsal until about 14/15 simultaneously with soccer. Once more clubs follow path. You start a futsal league and you have a season for it and tournaments. One of the reasons why my DD can play with boys is because of her technical ability and fast speed of play from the last few years of futsal. She’s a 3 time futsal national champ and arguably the best 2010 girl futsal player in the country..
I think you are spot on with the boys tending to not follow directions all the time. Girls seem to do whatever Doc says verbatim but boys are a little bit more rebellious. As far as going back to play with girls well she knows very well that she needs to play different. With boys she can actual play soccer. Pass and move. Make the runs. Does not have to hold the ball too long because every boy is technical like her so it’s like a machine where all the moving parts just work together nicely. On the other hand with girls she has to be that player who relentlessly attacks and creates the opportunity for the others. The type of player Americans love watching take over a game, beat a bunch of defenders with speed, yada yada. She needs to play the fire Marshall game: Constantly out there putting out fires when playing mid and be the go to player offensively to make things happen. While it’s nice to play that way, for me it’s not soccer. But this is what Americans love to see.
Luis, I played indoor soccer as a youth. Is futsal similar? Do they keep score and have prizes for the champs? Anyway, we played AYSO 11 v 11 in the Fall and Indoor Soccer in Winter/Spring. I loved kicking against the wall in indoor. I don't think futsal allows you to kick against the wall? I like the idea though. I will admit, I helped my daughter chase medals as a youth and it was addicting, especially because she won so many big tournaments and championships. However, looking back, we need to develop the youth locally and play locally and not teach winning. Winning might be how to collect a ball in the air or learning how to bend it like Messi. If you become a Messi or OM at 13, well then you can move to Spain to play full time prodigy and learn from the champs, who worked hard and chased that world cup trophy this time at WC. I really like the back and forth were having here.
there is a big difference between futsal and arena soccer which you are referring to. Arena soccer has walls so you can pass to yourself. Futsal has out of bounds lines like a basketball court. So you gotta be way more technical to manage the ball from going out of bounds. You need to make accurate pin point passes and keep the ball moving fast. It’s very team oriented. Yes they do have scores but that’s what makes it fun for the kids. Because they get to score way more. I’ve seen games where teams are up 8-2 and within 5 minutes it could be 8-8. Very intense to watch and nerve racking. I can tell you from experience being in the biggest games in the country.My wife has had to walk away a few times cause she couldn’t handle the nerves. I don’t know how some of the little ones do it but it makes them mentally tough as well. Since it’s only 4 field players and 1 goalie you can have 1 player take over like Kobe Bryant and they become the hero of the game.
I love that part since I’m a big basketball fan. I
Think you would love it if you love B ball. Not saying I encourage them to do that but it’s possible because 1/5 can affect the game much more than 1/11. In outdoor soccer it does not make sense. But futsal well it’s ok at times especially if there are minutes to go and you down by a small margin. You need that player to do something special.
Agree x1000 about young players and futsal.
More touches + faster speed of play + higher scores. Basically everything players do on the field is amplified.
Once you hit 11v11 Futsal skills aren't as helpful because the field opens up + players start doing tactics that aren't the same as small sided games. But having a strong base of footskills that comes from futsal is never a bad thing. Players just need to understand that field and futsal are 2 seperate things on an 11v11 field.
What's funny is after your kid plays Futsal as a younger you'll be able to see the movements it encourages. In a 7v7 game once you know what to look for it's easy to tell which players are playing Futsal and which ones likely arent.
Have to agree with this. In fact, my daughter and 2 pals won a 3 v 3 tournament against boys because they understood passing lanes, forwards are defenders and defenders are forwards. Those small sided games teach an awful lot and, IMO, don't get utilized enough.