Spain Women and thoughts on ECNL

this thread came to mind twice today
-The U19s lost to Spain 0-3 this morning.
-The ECNL Cont Tire showcase event today was tough to watch. The announcer mentioned that ECNL was the best youth development in the world.
 
Orangeteam said:
this thread came to mind twice today
-The U19s lost to Spain 0-3 this morning.
-The ECNL Cont Tire showcase event today was tough to watch. The announcer mentioned that ECNL was the best youth development in the world.
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The U20s looked better (though v S Korea, not Spain). Still, there were 11 players on the U20 roster that could have been on the U19 roster. Any 2005s or 2006s, right?

Savy King, Gisele T, Riley Jackson, Claire Hutton, etc. would have made a difference, I think.
 
Orangeteam said:
this thread came to mind twice today
-The U19s lost to Spain 0-3 this morning.
-The ECNL Cont Tire showcase event today was tough to watch. The announcer mentioned that ECNL was the best youth development in the world.
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As a whole, the U19's looked way too big and meaty to have a good chance against Spain.
 
fms said:
The U20s looked better (though v S Korea, not Spain). Still, there were 11 players on the U20 roster that could have been on the U19 roster. Any 2005s or 2006s, right?

Savy King, Gisele T, Riley Jackson, Claire Hutton, etc. would have made a difference, I think.
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I think the game result would have been better, or at least not as bad.
But, Spain had 65% possession which is pretty loud.
Spain had 6 shots on target. US had 0. Spain had 10 corner kicks. US had 0.

The US still looks the same across the board, from the younger U's to the older. Play balls higher than the kneecap becuase you don't have a structure or position discpline that allows for several options. Those balls go to players who's first touch isn't the strongest. Result is turnover.
 
Time to revisit this post I made after the World Cup. Wow - was I wrong on this one.
Highlander said:
Amazing job by Spain today in the World Cup final. Honestly the best technical and tactical ball I have ever seen from a women's team...that first half was special. Could/should have been 4-0 at the half.

Which brings me to my point about ECNL - do any of you think your kid's clubs/coaches are truly trying to build the technical and tactical proficiency that we see from Spain? My experience from watching is that 95% of the ECNL teams (and other leagues and even at the college level) just try to bring in the best athletes they can and try to force the ball up the field as fast as possible. There are some exceptions of course ( SD Surf being one of them ).

Thinking from a USWNT perspective IMHO we need to rethink how things are done at the youth level...not sure how to do that, but after watching Spain today and the USWNT and many ECNL and college games it's obvious this isn't going to get better any time soon. The Spains of the world are just too technical, too tactical, too well coached for them to be beat by better athletes alone.

Simply as a fan of watching my kid play, I would like to see more teams take a better tactical approach to the game and focus on technical players as much as they do athletes (you need both!).

Anyway, awesome job by Spain! So well done! They brought the women's game to an entirely new level of play.
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Time to revisit my initial post after the World Cup debacle.

I was wrong about our team not being technical/tactical enough. What I think now is that World Cup team was dominated by big personalities that were way past their prime and had a weak coach who let them do whatever they want. A toxic mix. Ok, that said, I still think Spain took women's soccer to a new technical/tactical level - that said, their failure at the olympics shows you how hard it is to stay at the top!

I have to give HUGE props to Coach Emma Hayes. I honestly couldn't have imagined that a coach could make that big of a difference. Players who I didn't rate at the World Cup (the entire attacking half of the team) are now looking great, putting in awesome effort and just making me proud to see them represent the USA.

I should have considered the toxic mess of a team that was. I remember reading things from the younger players about how horrible an experience it was and how lonely they felt. That is a sign of poor leadership from both veteran players and coaches. Sad it came to that but stoked to see the team where it is at now.

Coaches out there - take note of what is happening! You can make a huge difference in the lives of your players!

One last thing - Girma is the best center back I have ever seen. We need a "Girma" on the USMNT!!!!
 
Highlander said:
Time to revisit this post I made after the World Cup. Wow - was I wrong on this one.


Time to revisit my initial post after the World Cup debacle.

I was wrong about our team not being technical/tactical enough. What I think now is that World Cup team was dominated by big personalities that were way past their prime and had a weak coach who let them do whatever they want. A toxic mix. Ok, that said, I still think Spain took women's soccer to a new technical/tactical level - that said, their failure at the olympics shows you how hard it is to stay at the top!

I have to give HUGE props to Coach Emma Hayes. I honestly couldn't have imagined that a coach could make that big of a difference. Players who I didn't rate at the World Cup (the entire attacking half of the team) are now looking great, putting in awesome effort and just making me proud to see them represent the USA.

I should have considered the toxic mess of a team that was. I remember reading things from the younger players about how horrible an experience it was and how lonely they felt. That is a sign of poor leadership from both veteran players and coaches. Sad it came to that but stoked to see the team where it is at now.

Coaches out there - take note of what is happening! You can make a huge difference in the lives of your players!

One last thing - Girma is the best center back I have ever seen. We need a "Girma" on the USMNT!!!!
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It was definitely a coaching issue, not having Pugh (Swanson), an unhealthy Lavelle, and playing Horan at the 10 rather than the 6/8 position. I don't see it as a player issue because those same players were very successful under Jill Ellis. Trinity Rodman is definitely a better team player under Emma Hayes. Hayes knows how to inspire and utilize players correctly.

Girma is young and already the best defender in the world.
 
Highlander said:
Time to revisit this post I made after the World Cup. Wow - was I wrong on this one.


Time to revisit my initial post after the World Cup debacle.

I was wrong about our team not being technical/tactical enough. What I think now is that World Cup team was dominated by big personalities that were way past their prime and had a weak coach who let them do whatever they want. A toxic mix. Ok, that said, I still think Spain took women's soccer to a new technical/tactical level - that said, their failure at the olympics shows you how hard it is to stay at the top!

I have to give HUGE props to Coach Emma Hayes. I honestly couldn't have imagined that a coach could make that big of a difference. Players who I didn't rate at the World Cup (the entire attacking half of the team) are now looking great, putting in awesome effort and just making me proud to see them represent the USA.

I should have considered the toxic mess of a team that was. I remember reading things from the younger players about how horrible an experience it was and how lonely they felt. That is a sign of poor leadership from both veteran players and coaches. Sad it came to that but stoked to see the team where it is at now.

Coaches out there - take note of what is happening! You can make a huge difference in the lives of your players!

One last thing - Girma is the best center back I have ever seen. We need a "Girma" on the USMNT!!!!
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Think Spains loss was the worst day they have ever had on the field as a team. It does not represent what they are and what they have done, nor what they will do. It was a momentary failure that hurt. The next time Spain plays Brazil it will be much different. In the positive I think playing Brazil is a better match up for the USWNT.
 
sockma said:
It was definitely a coaching issue, not having Pugh (Swanson), an unhealthy Lavelle, and playing Horan at the 10 rather than the 6/8 position. I don't see it as a player issue because those same players were very successful under Jill Ellis. Trinity Rodman is definitely a better team player under Emma Hayes. Hayes knows how to inspire and utilize players correctly.

Girma is young and already the best defender in the world.
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I have to believe that a good part of Girma’s development came from where she played club soccer (DeAnza) and Stanford. Her current play epitomizes which she learned there.
 
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