President Joe Biden

tenacious said:
Well... per this last election having all of Trumps base didn't lead to Trump getting re-elected. And after the sacking of Washington I'd assume he'd do even worse if the vote were held today. Especially among those suburban women who fled the party this past election. To impeach I'd assume 20 or so Republicans would have to join democrats... and I'd also guess there are at least 20 republican senators who rely on suburban votes. So my spidey sense the cause is not yet lost.

Although I will grant you, Nancy Pelosi proved to be about the only person on earth unable to manipulate Trump. So it would be foolish for me to underestimate her seemingly total inability to reach across the aisle and pluck low lying fruit is this case either.
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True, but without T I expect that the R's would have done much worse down the ballot ... alternatively the D's probably wouldn't have turned out as many either, so who knows.

I doubt either party want an impeachment slugfest for the next 2 weeks, so lots of posturing will go on before they'll all say, we're out of time ... and shift in a blink of an eye to arguments about another stimulus vs OMG look at the debt ...
 
NorCalDad said:
Where are you seeing the purge of anti-lockdowners and rightist? They've been hammering on conspiracy theories, but there's plenty of right wing folks on Twitter.
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I've had 3 of my antilockdowners sources removed from twitter for disputing the mask science, including a personal friend. I've seen similar complaints among the rightists....don't know if it's true or not as I have not personally seen...just heard referrals.
 
whatithink said:
Yeah on D's.

More likely T is calling Pence and asking him, that's been thrown out there previously. Unfortunately, he just threw Pence under the bus, so If I'm Pence, I'd say - ABSOLUTELY, and then fuck him over once I'm sworn in ... and deny the conversation ever happened, and bury the recording on National Security grounds (cos he'd now be the Pres).

it would be sweet ... please make it happen.
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I'd be in favor of this purely because it would force children to learn this historical oddity for years into the future, however long the Republic lasts....
 
whatithink said:
True, but without T I expect that the R's would have done much worse down the ballot ... alternatively the D's probably wouldn't have turned out as many either, so who knows.

I doubt either party want an impeachment slugfest for the next 2 weeks, so lots of posturing will go on before they'll all say, we're out of time ... and shift in a blink of an eye to arguments about another stimulus vs OMG look at the debt ...
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My read on the past election was a lot of R's votes went split ticket. Against all expectations Republican's were set to hold the Senate (until Trump screwed it up), made gains in the House... but lost ground on the Presidency.

This isn't about the Dems, this is about Trump being in a position to exact payback in the next round of primaries. Democrats just need to get out of the way and let the R's do the dirty work themselves would be my guess.
 
Grace T. said:
I've had 3 of my antilockdowners sources removed from twitter for disputing the mask science, including a personal friend. I've seen similar complaints among the rightists....don't know if it's true or not as I have not personally seen...just heard referrals.
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I'm guessing they were incessant or had a large following. It's hard to get banned from twitter. They generally don't like to block any tweets or the people that tweet those tweets. This has historically been a problem for Twitter as people have complained they don't do enough. What we've seen recently is a newish behavior by the company.

Interestingly enough I did a quick search on Twitter for "masks don't work"....and came across this tweet:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1347598242809139208

These people definitely thought the election would be overturned. Notice the Q flag. You really have to be a nutjob to buy into this QAnon stuff. I wonder what the percentage of people there were QAnon.
 
NorCalDad said:
I'm guessing they were incessant or had a large following. It's hard to get banned from twitter. They generally don't like to block any tweets or the people that tweet those tweets. This has historically been a problem for Twitter as people have complained they don't do enough. What we've seen recently is a newish behavior by the company.

Interestingly enough I did a quick search on Twitter for "masks don't work"....and came across this tweet:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1347598242809139208

These people definitely thought the election would be overturned. Notice the Q flag. You really have to be a nutjob to buy into this QAnon stuff. I wonder what the percentage of people there were QAnon.
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They haven't gone after any establishment types yet like Rand Paul or even Cruz/Hawley (but I think it was S&S that pulled Hawley's book deal) but it's a wider purge than just Trump and the Qanon. I can tell you a good friend who's done a lot of antilockdown and mask limitations research got caught up in the purge and he does not talk politics. It's also no coincidence Parler is being threatened the same day. This is a very grave mistake and will serve to only inflame tensions. I'm telling you guys....things are going to get worse in the coming years.

Twitter may get away with it if it's some of these small fry things and Trump but we are pretty close to a tipping point. Nothing will galvanize the right more than censorship particularly since they are wrapping it up not just politics, but also vaccines and the lockdowns, and what will particularly gall conservatives is the blatant double standard when it comes to the PRC and its puppet institutions.
 
Grace T. said:
They haven't gone after any establishment types yet like Rand Paul or even Cruz/Hawley (but I think it was S&S that pulled Hawley's book deal) but it's a wider purge than just Trump and the Qanon. I can tell you a good friend who's done a lot of antilockdown and mask limitations research got caught up in the purge and he does not talk politics. It's also no coincidence Parler is being threatened the same day. This is a very grave mistake and will serve to only inflame tensions. I'm telling you guys....things are going to get worse in the coming years.

Twitter may get away with it if it's some of these small fry things and Trump but we are pretty close to a tipping point. Nothing will galvanize the right more than censorship particularly since they are wrapping it up not just politics, but also vaccines and the lockdowns, and what will particularly gall conservatives is the blatant double standard when it comes to the PRC and its puppet institutions.
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I've no doubt that the conservative media will continue to play the victim of how everyone is against them. They'll do this on Fox, NewsMax & OAN - on talk radio stations all over the country - on reddit and parler (just not on the parler app on the iPhone maybe) etc. and so on.

The irony of doing this on the multitude of channels they are on and that are available to them will be lost on the listeners, but probably not on the broadcasters.
 
Grace T. said:
They haven't gone after any establishment types yet like Rand Paul or even Cruz/Hawley (but I think it was S&S that pulled Hawley's book deal) but it's a wider purge than just Trump and the Qanon. I can tell you a good friend who's done a lot of antilockdown and mask limitations research got caught up in the purge and he does not talk politics. It's also no coincidence Parler is being threatened the same day. This is a very grave mistake and will serve to only inflame tensions. I'm telling you guys....things are going to get worse in the coming years.

Twitter may get away with it if it's some of these small fry things and Trump but we are pretty close to a tipping point. Nothing will galvanize the right more than censorship particularly since they are wrapping it up not just politics, but also vaccines and the lockdowns, and what will particularly gall conservatives is the blatant double standard when it comes to the PRC and its puppet institutions.
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Yeah without knowing the details with your friend it's hard to know what happened. I have a hard time believing it was just for talking about how masks don't work.

Parler should worry more about Amazon. Looks like they're hosted in some part on AWS. It's definitely a cesspool on that platform. Otherwise Apple and Google banning them from their respective app stores really doesn't do the job. People can still access it via the Web. Conspiracy theorists always had their niche ways to talk about chem-trails and cannibal politicians before the Internet. I'm sure they will adapt somehow. This could be good for the GOP as they could build a more solid base instead of banking on crazies.

I do find this entertaining, as the right is pro-privatization. Guess what Twitter is? A private company.
 
whatithink said:
I've no doubt that the conservative media will continue to play the victim of how everyone is against them. They'll do this on Fox, NewsMax & OAN - on talk radio stations all over the country - on reddit and parler (just not on the parler app on the iPhone maybe) etc. and so on.

The irony of doing this on the multitude of channels they are on and that are available to them will be lost on the listeners, but probably not on the broadcasters.
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Oh come on....twitter went and restricted the Hunter Biden story despite it later turning out to have at least some credibility.
 
NorCalDad said:
I do find this entertaining, as the right is pro-privatization. Guess what Twitter is? A private company.
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Well, judging from the reaction on right wing twitter, it seems like many (if this goes forward) might be leaving twitter for parler (parler has crashed BTW). Assuming Parler does arise as a competitor, well then there's no issue. But if it doesn't, there's potentially an antitrust monopoly problem there. Certainly the decision (if it happens) to ban parler from the google/apple stores raises concerns about monopoly power and likely will be challenged in court on antitrust grounds.

It's another dark day for democracy. Not quite as dark as the storming of the capitol but a dark day and good things are not ahead of us. If I had a doomsday clock for the dissolution of the Republic, the pandemic would have moved the clock from 1 to 2, the spring riots to 2:30, Trump and his reaction to the elections and the way the elections were conducted to 3:30, the storming of the Capitol to 4. This and the resulting reaction to 4:30. Not saying it will happen....but dark days for the Republic
 
Grace T. said:
Oh come on....twitter went and restricted the Hunter Biden story despite it later turning out to have at least some credibility.
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Oh come on ... are you seriously suggesting that the conservative media are paragons of beauty & light, never mind truth and have no bias and don't kill storied that don't fit their agenda. But heaven forbid someone should do the same to one they want to peddle!

I've zero idea what Twitter did with the Hunter Biden story. He wasn't running for any office I was aware of, so I zoned out that whole nonsense.
 
Grace T. said:
They haven't gone after any establishment types yet like Rand Paul or even Cruz/Hawley (but I think it was S&S that pulled Hawley's book deal) but it's a wider purge than just Trump and the Qanon. I can tell you a good friend who's done a lot of antilockdown and mask limitations research got caught up in the purge and he does not talk politics. It's also no coincidence Parler is being threatened the same day. This is a very grave mistake and will serve to only inflame tensions. I'm telling you guys....things are going to get worse in the coming years.

Twitter may get away with it if it's some of these small fry things and Trump but we are pretty close to a tipping point. Nothing will galvanize the right more than censorship particularly since they are wrapping it up not just politics, but also vaccines and the lockdowns, and what will particularly gall conservatives is the blatant double standard when it comes to the PRC and its puppet institutions.
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I work in entertainment, and so by default have a lot of very liberal friends on Facebook. A good friend of mine was just complaining that some fb post he made about sending in the National Guard to clean things up in during the riots got censored and he was warned about being on probation if he kept it up.

So I don't think it's just the right wing that's getting caught up in it, its the far lefties too. Neither side hears about it though, because what's happening to everyone else rarely pierces the partisan bubble.
 
Grace T. said:
Well, judging from the reaction on right wing twitter, it seems like many (if this goes forward) might be leaving twitter for parler (parler has crashed BTW). Assuming Parler does arise as a competitor, well then there's no issue. But if it doesn't, there's potentially an antitrust monopoly problem there. Certainly the decision (if it happens) to ban parler from the google/apple stores raises concerns about monopoly power and likely will be challenged in court on antitrust grounds.
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There's no monopoly issue - Twitter hasn't done anything to Parler. Its a social media platform and has competitors.

Parler can join the ongoing case from Spotify and others against Apple, or has that been settled.
 
whatithink said:
Oh come on ... are you seriously suggesting that the conservative media are paragons of beauty & light, never mind truth and have no bias and don't kill storied that don't fit their agenda. But heaven forbid someone should do the same to one they want to peddle!

I've zero idea what Twitter did with the Hunter Biden story. He wasn't running for any office I was aware of, so I zoned out that whole nonsense.
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Not at all. But for comparison twitter is still allowing not only PRC accounts but also Antifa accounts inciting violence in Portland. If anything I'm strongly opposed to siloing and greatly think the fall of the nightly news and the impartiality of the mainstream media (which may have been a chimera but at least existed on its face) was a great loss.

What may happen now if Twitter continues to push this is that figures like Ben Shapiro, Tucker Carlson, Laura Ingraham, etc. may push out. If that happens it's going to be a great tragedy for the nation because I don't like echo chambers.

And yes, twitter and the main stream media did suppress the Hunter Biden story.
 
tenacious said:
I work in entertainment, and so by default have a lot of very liberal friends on Facebook. A good friend of mine was just complaining that some fb post he made about sending in the National Guard to clean things up in during the riots got censored and he was warned about being on probation if he kept it up.

So I don't think it's just the right wing that's getting caught up in it, its the far lefties too. Neither side hears about it though, because what's happening to everyone else rarely pierces the partisan bubble.
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If true, then the other possibility is twitter signs its death warrant because the left will pull out as well leaving only mainstream and promotional partners. I hope your right and it's possible that the right is just getting the attention because of Trump's ban. My gut tells me you aren't, but we'll see.
 
NorCalDad said:
There were a lot of Qanon folks there. A lot of these folks buy into conspiracy theories. Trump's own tweets were suggesting Pence could decide at the certification process which states electoral votes to accept. It's incredibly bizarre when you think about it. Yeah, I definitely think those folks thought the election was stolen due to mass fraud and that it was going to be overturned. I mean this is what Trump has been telling them the whole time while he continued his grift (fundraising).

Anyway, I don't have empathy for these people for what they did Wednesday. It's on them for buying what Trump and his yahoos were selling.
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This is why the buffoon should be impeached. Conspiracy theories and all this other magat crap will continue to perpetuate and metastasize for as long as the head POS and his disgusting marmalade spawn are allowed to have any kind of voice. All of them need to be raked over the coals again and again and constantly put on the defensive until the end of time. Anyone who thinks we should play nice with the face painted bozo the clown is short-sighted. Yes, these maggoty f**ks will throw a fit, but trumpanzees are a pathetic bunch and really aren’t the problem without their Orange Jesus. They can’t effectively organize in any meaningful sense without him, and they certainly can’t read more than 280 characters, and even that appears to be gone forever. It’s over and it needs to be made clear to the next wannabe dictator - you know that foreigner with the canadian birth certificate and the ugly wife whose dad killed JFK - what happens to their kind.

In other words, the magat crackpot gospel is a lot less compelling when the newspapers report that the purported Lord and Savior filed BK, was impeached twice, his wife left him after strong-arming the worst dealmaker in history to give up the pre-nup, and he craps his pants every day in the hoosegow. If there is an opportunity to impeach, do it. Criminally prosecute? Do it. Civil lawsuit? Awesome possum. Piss on his shoes? Lead the way. Spit on their food? How do I get a job at restaurant? It doesn’t matter if not all of these efforts succeed. What is important is to keep the pressure on him and his and his shit for brains children, keep their expenses skyrocketing, and their revenue collapsing.
 
Grace T. said:
Not at all. But for comparison twitter is still allowing not only PRC accounts but also Antifa accounts inciting violence in Portland. If anything I'm strongly opposed to siloing and greatly think the fall of the nightly news and the impartiality of the mainstream media (which may have been a chimera but at least existed on its face) was a great loss.

What may happen now if Twitter continues to push this is that figures like Ben Shapiro, Tucker Carlson, Laura Ingraham, etc. may push out. If that happens it's going to be a great tragedy for the nation because I don't like echo chambers.

And yes, twitter and the main stream media did suppress the Hunter Biden story.
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Qanon.
 
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