This is such a pathetic argument. I wish someone would rid me of this meddlesome Karen.
President Joe Biden
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This is such a pathetic argument. I wish someone would rid me of this meddlesome Karen.
To overturn an election result it's not legally enough to show there was fraud. You have to show that but for the fraud you would have won (and in many cases the remedy on the state level would be to have a new election). You have to prove that the fraud was of sufficient margins that it actually made a material difference.
It's a 2 part test. He had evidence of the first, he couldn't prove the second. If you, a sophisticated soccerite on your computer, can't grasp that distinction very easily (not at insult...just a reality for people who haven't been trained in legal thinking), how much less the Trumpist.
Yes, we know you are lost.
Some general good points. Of course the concern on the other side is that the most vulnerable (immigrants, ESL, homeless, elderly) would be disenfranchised and not everyone has a license. Ultimately, though, the Ds won't allow it because it's about political power and that's one of the reasons even if the election was free, the Trumpkins think they have a point about it being fair.
Your last point would probably violate the first amendment.
Yeah don't disagree with that. To be fair a vast majority of the BLM protests across the nation were peaceful without issue. I do wonder if the increased police attention in certain areas escalated some of these situations. It's difficult for me to understand fully what it feels like to be fearful for my life every time I see a police officer.
To be clear, I support our police. I have friends on SWAT teams, etc. What I also support, is more training to better handle some of these situations.
Desert Hound
DA
By this I mean during the DAY of the election as they may influence turnout in some areas/states.
They can predict all they want leading up to election day, etc.
Desert Hound
DA
I just posted an update to what I meant regarding the press.
Desert Hound
DA
Pretty much everyone has to have an ID. Be it to sign up for gov benefits, cash checks, etc.
However the states could set up a system for those who for whatever reason cannot afford an ID. Just issue them one. That seems like an easier solution vs saying well since an extremely small percentage of people don't have an ID...well I guess nobody needs to show one.
Well... if you see the rising crime stats in the nations inner cities that came with cut backs in policing... apparently not having enough cops around is what should be scaring people more bad cops.
I understand the struggles are very real. But good intentions aren't enough. I'm all for this 'war on racisim' mind you. I just want to make sure we do it in a way that we can win.
whatithink
GOLD
I'm not defending Clinton, but its very selective to exclusively blame Clinton for something written by and passed by Republicans. Politicians in the US do not "take their licks in the election" on either side of the aisle.
The Daily Show interviewed the ex-head of government (not sure on the title, like Governor) of Queensland in Australia, about the gun control law passed in the 90s after the mass shooting there. They asked him if he knew it was political suicide to support it and push it through. He said that he did know that at the time. He said he knew his political career was over once he supported it, but that it was the right thing to do, so he did. He was gone next election. I can't think of a single US politician that would do this (on any policy issue, not guns specifically).
Neither Ds or Rs have a monopoly on good ideas.
So much evidence. It’s the best evidence. People are saying they’ve never seen such great evidence. Beautiful people like Sid the Squid and Linny Poopoo, and this expert Rams-whoever the f**k who claims that 700% of make believe registered voters in a non-existent county in MI voted for Biden.
Hey Karen, if you have proof, prove it. If you only have bs like your 0-60 wannabe lawyer friends, well that’s not proof of s**t. It’s no wonder you don’t actually practice law, but never fret, you’ve got about two weeks still for Trump to retain you (and then stiff you in the bill), so he can use you to commit a crime like his last lawyer who just withdrew yesterday.
By tomorrow, the cabinet, his entire staff, even Lady G and Moscow Mitch will all have bailed. The only sycophants left to worship the obnoxious orange orangutan man will be Karen here and her former debate partner Ted “”Yes Sir, Thank You Sir My Wife Is Definitely a Disgusting Hag” Cruz. Small world.
Desert Hound
DA
The Dems have been batty ever since 2016.
In today’s overreach by Democrats, Nancy Pelosi is demanding that the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff block Trump’s access to the nuclear codes—for no other purpose than to continue smearing Trump as crazy and dangerous.
In today’s overreach by Democrats, Nancy Pelosi is demanding that the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff block Trump’s access to the nuclear codes—for no other purpose than to continue smearing Trump as crazy and dangerous.
I completely get it, I was just trying understand what you were trying to communicate. In simple terms, there was election fraud, like every election, but no material impact to the election results. So in even more simpler words, Trump had no case. He rode the election fraud narrative knowing there was no meat to it. His base was incapable of listening to other republican officials (GA SOS, etc) debunking all of Trump's claims. Who's to blame for that? Should I have empathy for them for not being able to discern the truth here? Is it Fox's fault?
As an aside, I can't tell what your political ideology is. Not suggesting it's important to know this, but when you say things like "There always is but this time round there was more of an effort at it....partially because of a feeling on the left that Trump was too dangerous to leave in office and anything is justified in removing him as a result.", where are you getting that? Election fraud examples I've seen so far have benefitted both parties.
Totally agree with this so long as you hold the others to the same standards....Reagan, both Bushes, Clinton, Obama and Trump. I've been making a similar argument with Trump and the health care policy experts (which he has little ability to fire).
Now Obama did it?!? How dare a black dude become president! All it’s going to do is get all these magats worked up to the point that they have no choice but to overthrow the government!
For sure, this is an incredibly complicated problem. I'd point out though that inner city crime is a symptom of systemic racism. Perhaps more officers isn't the solution. Figuring out how to improve the lives and opportunity of folks in these communities could be a better use of time and money. No idea otherwise.
whatithink
GOLD
I don't have any problem with your points, but we need more.
To your last point, I think Ireland have a 3 day cooling off period prior to election day whereby no polls or electioneering are allowed, and obv. nothing on election day.
We should have the same system as Australia, voting levels are always above 90%. Everyone has to vote (legal requirement). If you do not vote, you will be fined. Election day is a public holiday.
There should be laws against voter suppression.
There should be independent redistricting commissions in every state - no gerrymandering.
If politicians or parties are afraid of everyone voting and putting barriers in place to prevent people voting, then you know they are actively trying to "steal" elections.
Registering to vote should be simple, & if an ID is required, it should be free to obtain, simple to get and simple to update.
1. Yes, legally he has no case (at least not one he can prove). But no, they do have a rational basis to complain (even if such complaint isn't legally actionable). People generally can't hold that 2 things can be true at once....
2. I'm all over politically. Was a fervent Obama supporter, very disappointed by the way the left in particular handled the pandemic and am fervently anti-Newsom. I generally lean center right, am an establishmentarian, but even in HS maintained an outsider approach (was the black sheep of the honors program and was constantly on the outs for firebombing them) so I can relate to where the extremists on both the right and left are coming from.
3. Trump Derangement syndrome is a thing. It's not unreasonable to assume that some on the left took it upon themselves to do what they had to do in order to make sure he didn't win.
Ok, now Karen-Grace has gone from claiming Mr Marmalade Magat proved election fraud to admitting he can’t prove it but has a “rational basis” to maybe believe it. She is correct when she says she’s all over the place.
And my God, will someone please tell her that repeatedly touting what she did in HS is not the resume builder she thinks it is?
1 - But they aren't just complaining that there was election fraud. They are complaining because they think there is enough election fraud to change the results. Their complaint is absolutely intertwined. Otherwise, why storm the capitol? I mean "Stop the Steal" sends a pretty clear message.
3 - I think it's just as reasonable to assume fraud was equally involved for both parties. I've seen no evidence that suggests otherwise. Have you?