President Joe Biden

Some trump supporters actually believe that Joe Biden will bring a one world government etc. etc..

Talk about delusion.

They also seem to have a problem with China. Trade with China have been beneficial to many American companies and enriched many American capitalists...of course American workers pay. We have wall street politicians, where do you think they will build the next factory? They will build it where they can get the best profit. The only answer is socialism/union which protects the Americans workers.

Union members can refuse to train overseas workers.

However, Trump supporters are also anti-union and anti-socialism..hard to please.
 
tenacious said:
If Trump is a symptom, then he and his his should be used as example of what we do to kings around here.

And yes, if R's aren't convinced to go along then it becomes about containment. However I don't imagine the R's are any less aware of what a disruptive presence Trump can be for them, and this could be the chance (you know they are waiting for) to free themselves from him.
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I think the R's see impeachment as a double edged sword. I doubt they want to be on the record voting for or against. They need a large number of (ideally all) T's base. Support impeaching T in enough numbers for it to pass and they lose a lot of those. Reject impeaching T and they run the risk of losing moderate R's, which has clearly happened in places like AZ & GA.

Their ideal, IMO, is condemn and let him slide away in 2 weeks. I expect they are hoping that one of the many legal challenges he faces will bring him down subsequently (& quickly - before the next election cycle). He can't pardon himself against state led charges and if he decides to issue a blanket federal pardon, then he needs to get specific (as I understand it), which would be interesting in and of itself and probably dissuade him from doing it.
 
blam said:
Some trump supporters actually believe that Joe Biden will bring a one world government etc. etc..

Talk about delusion.

They also seem to have a problem with China. Trade with China have been beneficial to many American companies and enriched many American capitalists...of course American workers pay. We have wall street politicians, where do you think they will build the next factory? They will build it where they can get the best profit. The only answer is socialism/union which protects the Americans workers.

Union members can refuse to train overseas workers.

However, Trump supporters are also anti-union and anti-socialism..hard to please.
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Well, Facebook and Twitter have been conducting a purge of rightist and anti-lockdowners since this happened. And Apple and Google today are allegedly threatening to remove Parler from their app stores unless they agree to a speech code. So while delusional, it's not as if they are completely divorced from reality.

Meanwhile, Twitter seems o.k. with Chinese propaganda including stuff about the Uigurhs [sic]
 
whatithink said:
I think the R's see impeachment as a double edged sword. I doubt they want to be on the record voting for or against. They need a large number of (ideally all) T's base. Support impeaching T in enough numbers for it to pass and they lose a lot of those. Reject impeaching T and they run the risk of losing moderate R's, which has clearly happened in places like AZ & GA.

Their ideal, IMO, is condemn and let him slide away in 2 weeks. I expect they are hoping that one of the many legal challenges he faces will bring him down subsequently (& quickly - before the next election cycle). He can't pardon himself against state led charges and if he decides to issue a blanket federal pardon, then he needs to get specific (as I understand it), which would be interesting in and of itself and probably dissuade him from doing it.
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I think similarly the dem base wants to see movement on impeachment. I don't think the dems are serious about it. I think it's mostly posturing right now. I mean they really don't even have the time to deal with it.

It wouldn't surprise me if Trump is calling Biden and asking for a pardon if he resigns.
 
Grace T. said:
Well, Facebook and Twitter have been conducting a purge of rightist and anti-lockdowners since this happened. And Apple and Google today are allegedly threatening to remove Parler from their app stores unless they agree to a speech code. So while delusional, it's not as if they are completely divorced from reality.

Meanwhile, Twitter seems o.k. with Chinese propaganda including stuff about the Uigurhs [sic]
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Where are you seeing the purge of anti-lockdowners and rightist? They've been hammering on conspiracy theories, but there's plenty of right wing folks on Twitter.
 
whatithink said:
I think the R's see impeachment as a double edged sword. I doubt they want to be on the record voting for or against. They need a large number of (ideally all) T's base. Support impeaching T in enough numbers for it to pass and they lose a lot of those. Reject impeaching T and they run the risk of losing moderate R's, which has clearly happened in places like AZ & GA.

Their ideal, IMO, is condemn and let him slide away in 2 weeks. I expect they are hoping that one of the many legal challenges he faces will bring him down subsequently (& quickly - before the next election cycle). He can't pardon himself against state led charges and if he decides to issue a blanket federal pardon, then he needs to get specific (as I understand it), which would be interesting in and of itself and probably dissuade him from doing it.
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Well... per this last election having all of Trumps base didn't lead to Trump getting re-elected. And after the sacking of Washington I'd assume he'd do even worse if the vote were held today. Especially among those suburban women who fled the party this past election. To impeach I'd assume 20 or so Republicans would have to join democrats... and I'd also guess there are at least 20 republican senators who rely on suburban votes. So my spidey sense the cause is not yet lost.

Although I will grant you, Nancy Pelosi proved to be about the only person on earth unable to manipulate Trump. So it would be foolish for me to underestimate her seemingly total inability to reach across the aisle and pluck low lying fruit is this case either.
 
NorCalDad said:
I think similarly the dem base wants to see movement on impeachment. I don't think the dems are serious about it. I think it's mostly posturing right now. I mean they really don't even have the time to deal with it.

It wouldn't surprise me if Trump is calling Biden and asking for a pardon if he resigns.
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Yeah on D's.

More likely T is calling Pence and asking him, that's been thrown out there previously. Unfortunately, he just threw Pence under the bus, so If I'm Pence, I'd say - ABSOLUTELY, and then fuck him over once I'm sworn in ... and deny the conversation ever happened, and bury the recording on National Security grounds (cos he'd now be the Pres).

it would be sweet ... please make it happen.
 
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Well... per this last election having all of Trumps base didn't lead to Trump getting re-elected. And after the sacking of Washington I'd assume he'd do even worse if the vote were held today. Especially among those suburban women who fled the party this past election. To impeach I'd assume 20 or so Republicans would have to join democrats... and I'd also guess there are at least 20 republican senators who rely on suburban votes. So my spidey sense the cause is not yet lost.

Although I will grant you, Nancy Pelosi proved to be about the only person on earth unable to manipulate Trump. So it would be foolish for me to underestimate her seemingly total inability to reach across the aisle and pluck low lying fruit is this case either.
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True, but without T I expect that the R's would have done much worse down the ballot ... alternatively the D's probably wouldn't have turned out as many either, so who knows.

I doubt either party want an impeachment slugfest for the next 2 weeks, so lots of posturing will go on before they'll all say, we're out of time ... and shift in a blink of an eye to arguments about another stimulus vs OMG look at the debt ...
 
NorCalDad said:
Where are you seeing the purge of anti-lockdowners and rightist? They've been hammering on conspiracy theories, but there's plenty of right wing folks on Twitter.
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I've had 3 of my antilockdowners sources removed from twitter for disputing the mask science, including a personal friend. I've seen similar complaints among the rightists....don't know if it's true or not as I have not personally seen...just heard referrals.
 
whatithink said:
Yeah on D's.

More likely T is calling Pence and asking him, that's been thrown out there previously. Unfortunately, he just threw Pence under the bus, so If I'm Pence, I'd say - ABSOLUTELY, and then fuck him over once I'm sworn in ... and deny the conversation ever happened, and bury the recording on National Security grounds (cos he'd now be the Pres).

it would be sweet ... please make it happen.
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I'd be in favor of this purely because it would force children to learn this historical oddity for years into the future, however long the Republic lasts....
 
whatithink said:
True, but without T I expect that the R's would have done much worse down the ballot ... alternatively the D's probably wouldn't have turned out as many either, so who knows.

I doubt either party want an impeachment slugfest for the next 2 weeks, so lots of posturing will go on before they'll all say, we're out of time ... and shift in a blink of an eye to arguments about another stimulus vs OMG look at the debt ...
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My read on the past election was a lot of R's votes went split ticket. Against all expectations Republican's were set to hold the Senate (until Trump screwed it up), made gains in the House... but lost ground on the Presidency.

This isn't about the Dems, this is about Trump being in a position to exact payback in the next round of primaries. Democrats just need to get out of the way and let the R's do the dirty work themselves would be my guess.
 
Grace T. said:
I've had 3 of my antilockdowners sources removed from twitter for disputing the mask science, including a personal friend. I've seen similar complaints among the rightists....don't know if it's true or not as I have not personally seen...just heard referrals.
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I'm guessing they were incessant or had a large following. It's hard to get banned from twitter. They generally don't like to block any tweets or the people that tweet those tweets. This has historically been a problem for Twitter as people have complained they don't do enough. What we've seen recently is a newish behavior by the company.

Interestingly enough I did a quick search on Twitter for "masks don't work"....and came across this tweet:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1347598242809139208

These people definitely thought the election would be overturned. Notice the Q flag. You really have to be a nutjob to buy into this QAnon stuff. I wonder what the percentage of people there were QAnon.
 
NorCalDad said:
I'm guessing they were incessant or had a large following. It's hard to get banned from twitter. They generally don't like to block any tweets or the people that tweet those tweets. This has historically been a problem for Twitter as people have complained they don't do enough. What we've seen recently is a newish behavior by the company.

Interestingly enough I did a quick search on Twitter for "masks don't work"....and came across this tweet:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1347598242809139208

These people definitely thought the election would be overturned. Notice the Q flag. You really have to be a nutjob to buy into this QAnon stuff. I wonder what the percentage of people there were QAnon.
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They haven't gone after any establishment types yet like Rand Paul or even Cruz/Hawley (but I think it was S&S that pulled Hawley's book deal) but it's a wider purge than just Trump and the Qanon. I can tell you a good friend who's done a lot of antilockdown and mask limitations research got caught up in the purge and he does not talk politics. It's also no coincidence Parler is being threatened the same day. This is a very grave mistake and will serve to only inflame tensions. I'm telling you guys....things are going to get worse in the coming years.

Twitter may get away with it if it's some of these small fry things and Trump but we are pretty close to a tipping point. Nothing will galvanize the right more than censorship particularly since they are wrapping it up not just politics, but also vaccines and the lockdowns, and what will particularly gall conservatives is the blatant double standard when it comes to the PRC and its puppet institutions.
 
Grace T. said:
They haven't gone after any establishment types yet like Rand Paul or even Cruz/Hawley (but I think it was S&S that pulled Hawley's book deal) but it's a wider purge than just Trump and the Qanon. I can tell you a good friend who's done a lot of antilockdown and mask limitations research got caught up in the purge and he does not talk politics. It's also no coincidence Parler is being threatened the same day. This is a very grave mistake and will serve to only inflame tensions. I'm telling you guys....things are going to get worse in the coming years.

Twitter may get away with it if it's some of these small fry things and Trump but we are pretty close to a tipping point. Nothing will galvanize the right more than censorship particularly since they are wrapping it up not just politics, but also vaccines and the lockdowns, and what will particularly gall conservatives is the blatant double standard when it comes to the PRC and its puppet institutions.
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I've no doubt that the conservative media will continue to play the victim of how everyone is against them. They'll do this on Fox, NewsMax & OAN - on talk radio stations all over the country - on reddit and parler (just not on the parler app on the iPhone maybe) etc. and so on.

The irony of doing this on the multitude of channels they are on and that are available to them will be lost on the listeners, but probably not on the broadcasters.
 
Grace T. said:
They haven't gone after any establishment types yet like Rand Paul or even Cruz/Hawley (but I think it was S&S that pulled Hawley's book deal) but it's a wider purge than just Trump and the Qanon. I can tell you a good friend who's done a lot of antilockdown and mask limitations research got caught up in the purge and he does not talk politics. It's also no coincidence Parler is being threatened the same day. This is a very grave mistake and will serve to only inflame tensions. I'm telling you guys....things are going to get worse in the coming years.

Twitter may get away with it if it's some of these small fry things and Trump but we are pretty close to a tipping point. Nothing will galvanize the right more than censorship particularly since they are wrapping it up not just politics, but also vaccines and the lockdowns, and what will particularly gall conservatives is the blatant double standard when it comes to the PRC and its puppet institutions.
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Yeah without knowing the details with your friend it's hard to know what happened. I have a hard time believing it was just for talking about how masks don't work.

Parler should worry more about Amazon. Looks like they're hosted in some part on AWS. It's definitely a cesspool on that platform. Otherwise Apple and Google banning them from their respective app stores really doesn't do the job. People can still access it via the Web. Conspiracy theorists always had their niche ways to talk about chem-trails and cannibal politicians before the Internet. I'm sure they will adapt somehow. This could be good for the GOP as they could build a more solid base instead of banking on crazies.

I do find this entertaining, as the right is pro-privatization. Guess what Twitter is? A private company.
 
whatithink said:
I've no doubt that the conservative media will continue to play the victim of how everyone is against them. They'll do this on Fox, NewsMax & OAN - on talk radio stations all over the country - on reddit and parler (just not on the parler app on the iPhone maybe) etc. and so on.

The irony of doing this on the multitude of channels they are on and that are available to them will be lost on the listeners, but probably not on the broadcasters.
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Oh come on....twitter went and restricted the Hunter Biden story despite it later turning out to have at least some credibility.
 
NorCalDad said:
I do find this entertaining, as the right is pro-privatization. Guess what Twitter is? A private company.
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Well, judging from the reaction on right wing twitter, it seems like many (if this goes forward) might be leaving twitter for parler (parler has crashed BTW). Assuming Parler does arise as a competitor, well then there's no issue. But if it doesn't, there's potentially an antitrust monopoly problem there. Certainly the decision (if it happens) to ban parler from the google/apple stores raises concerns about monopoly power and likely will be challenged in court on antitrust grounds.

It's another dark day for democracy. Not quite as dark as the storming of the capitol but a dark day and good things are not ahead of us. If I had a doomsday clock for the dissolution of the Republic, the pandemic would have moved the clock from 1 to 2, the spring riots to 2:30, Trump and his reaction to the elections and the way the elections were conducted to 3:30, the storming of the Capitol to 4. This and the resulting reaction to 4:30. Not saying it will happen....but dark days for the Republic
 
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