President Joe Biden

Grace T. said:
Oh come on....twitter went and restricted the Hunter Biden story despite it later turning out to have at least some credibility.
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Oh come on ... are you seriously suggesting that the conservative media are paragons of beauty & light, never mind truth and have no bias and don't kill storied that don't fit their agenda. But heaven forbid someone should do the same to one they want to peddle!

I've zero idea what Twitter did with the Hunter Biden story. He wasn't running for any office I was aware of, so I zoned out that whole nonsense.
 
Grace T. said:
They haven't gone after any establishment types yet like Rand Paul or even Cruz/Hawley (but I think it was S&S that pulled Hawley's book deal) but it's a wider purge than just Trump and the Qanon. I can tell you a good friend who's done a lot of antilockdown and mask limitations research got caught up in the purge and he does not talk politics. It's also no coincidence Parler is being threatened the same day. This is a very grave mistake and will serve to only inflame tensions. I'm telling you guys....things are going to get worse in the coming years.

Twitter may get away with it if it's some of these small fry things and Trump but we are pretty close to a tipping point. Nothing will galvanize the right more than censorship particularly since they are wrapping it up not just politics, but also vaccines and the lockdowns, and what will particularly gall conservatives is the blatant double standard when it comes to the PRC and its puppet institutions.
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I work in entertainment, and so by default have a lot of very liberal friends on Facebook. A good friend of mine was just complaining that some fb post he made about sending in the National Guard to clean things up in during the riots got censored and he was warned about being on probation if he kept it up.

So I don't think it's just the right wing that's getting caught up in it, its the far lefties too. Neither side hears about it though, because what's happening to everyone else rarely pierces the partisan bubble.
 
Grace T. said:
Well, judging from the reaction on right wing twitter, it seems like many (if this goes forward) might be leaving twitter for parler (parler has crashed BTW). Assuming Parler does arise as a competitor, well then there's no issue. But if it doesn't, there's potentially an antitrust monopoly problem there. Certainly the decision (if it happens) to ban parler from the google/apple stores raises concerns about monopoly power and likely will be challenged in court on antitrust grounds.
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There's no monopoly issue - Twitter hasn't done anything to Parler. Its a social media platform and has competitors.

Parler can join the ongoing case from Spotify and others against Apple, or has that been settled.
 
whatithink said:
Oh come on ... are you seriously suggesting that the conservative media are paragons of beauty & light, never mind truth and have no bias and don't kill storied that don't fit their agenda. But heaven forbid someone should do the same to one they want to peddle!

I've zero idea what Twitter did with the Hunter Biden story. He wasn't running for any office I was aware of, so I zoned out that whole nonsense.
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Not at all. But for comparison twitter is still allowing not only PRC accounts but also Antifa accounts inciting violence in Portland. If anything I'm strongly opposed to siloing and greatly think the fall of the nightly news and the impartiality of the mainstream media (which may have been a chimera but at least existed on its face) was a great loss.

What may happen now if Twitter continues to push this is that figures like Ben Shapiro, Tucker Carlson, Laura Ingraham, etc. may push out. If that happens it's going to be a great tragedy for the nation because I don't like echo chambers.

And yes, twitter and the main stream media did suppress the Hunter Biden story.
 
tenacious said:
I work in entertainment, and so by default have a lot of very liberal friends on Facebook. A good friend of mine was just complaining that some fb post he made about sending in the National Guard to clean things up in during the riots got censored and he was warned about being on probation if he kept it up.

So I don't think it's just the right wing that's getting caught up in it, its the far lefties too. Neither side hears about it though, because what's happening to everyone else rarely pierces the partisan bubble.
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If true, then the other possibility is twitter signs its death warrant because the left will pull out as well leaving only mainstream and promotional partners. I hope your right and it's possible that the right is just getting the attention because of Trump's ban. My gut tells me you aren't, but we'll see.
 
NorCalDad said:
There were a lot of Qanon folks there. A lot of these folks buy into conspiracy theories. Trump's own tweets were suggesting Pence could decide at the certification process which states electoral votes to accept. It's incredibly bizarre when you think about it. Yeah, I definitely think those folks thought the election was stolen due to mass fraud and that it was going to be overturned. I mean this is what Trump has been telling them the whole time while he continued his grift (fundraising).

Anyway, I don't have empathy for these people for what they did Wednesday. It's on them for buying what Trump and his yahoos were selling.
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This is why the buffoon should be impeached. Conspiracy theories and all this other magat crap will continue to perpetuate and metastasize for as long as the head POS and his disgusting marmalade spawn are allowed to have any kind of voice. All of them need to be raked over the coals again and again and constantly put on the defensive until the end of time. Anyone who thinks we should play nice with the face painted bozo the clown is short-sighted. Yes, these maggoty f**ks will throw a fit, but trumpanzees are a pathetic bunch and really aren’t the problem without their Orange Jesus. They can’t effectively organize in any meaningful sense without him, and they certainly can’t read more than 280 characters, and even that appears to be gone forever. It’s over and it needs to be made clear to the next wannabe dictator - you know that foreigner with the canadian birth certificate and the ugly wife whose dad killed JFK - what happens to their kind.

In other words, the magat crackpot gospel is a lot less compelling when the newspapers report that the purported Lord and Savior filed BK, was impeached twice, his wife left him after strong-arming the worst dealmaker in history to give up the pre-nup, and he craps his pants every day in the hoosegow. If there is an opportunity to impeach, do it. Criminally prosecute? Do it. Civil lawsuit? Awesome possum. Piss on his shoes? Lead the way. Spit on their food? How do I get a job at restaurant? It doesn’t matter if not all of these efforts succeed. What is important is to keep the pressure on him and his and his shit for brains children, keep their expenses skyrocketing, and their revenue collapsing.
 
Grace T. said:
Not at all. But for comparison twitter is still allowing not only PRC accounts but also Antifa accounts inciting violence in Portland. If anything I'm strongly opposed to siloing and greatly think the fall of the nightly news and the impartiality of the mainstream media (which may have been a chimera but at least existed on its face) was a great loss.

What may happen now if Twitter continues to push this is that figures like Ben Shapiro, Tucker Carlson, Laura Ingraham, etc. may push out. If that happens it's going to be a great tragedy for the nation because I don't like echo chambers.

And yes, twitter and the main stream media did suppress the Hunter Biden story.
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Qanon.
 
Grace T. said:
If true, then the other possibility is twitter signs its death warrant because the left will pull out as well leaving only mainstream and promotional partners. I hope your right and it's possible that the right is just getting the attention because of Trump's ban. My gut tells me you aren't, but we'll see.
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The Hunter Biden story was the one that Trump got recorded telling the President of Ukraine he would cut off US Aid if they didn't find a way to order the arrest of Biden's son right? Hmmm... got to tell you, it wasn't so much that I wasn't aware the story was there as much as I could be bothered to actually follow it. Regardless of what Facebook told me to do one way or the other.
 
Grace T. said:
Not at all. But for comparison twitter is still allowing not only PRC accounts but also Antifa accounts inciting violence in Portland. If anything I'm strongly opposed to siloing and greatly think the fall of the nightly news and the impartiality of the mainstream media (which may have been a chimera but at least existed on its face) was a great loss.

What may happen now if Twitter continues to push this is that figures like Ben Shapiro, Tucker Carlson, Laura Ingraham, etc. may push out. If that happens it's going to be a great tragedy for the nation because I don't like echo chambers.

And yes, twitter and the main stream media did suppress the Hunter Biden story.
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One of the fundamental problems at the moment, IMV, is the existing echo chambers, both in what people will only tune into, e.g. only watch Fox News and nothing else vs only MSNBC and nothing else, and the social media algorithms which push like content to you, hence reinforcing views and making people "think" that all the new content is just appearing and just happens to reinforce their already entrenched positions.

No idea what Twitter is doing at the moment. I look at it rarely and rely on it for nothing news wise, so its just a 'meh' from me. It could vanish tomorrow and would have zero impact.
 
tenacious said:
The Hunter Biden story was the one that Trump got recorded telling the President of Ukraine he would cut off US Aide if they didn't find a way to order the arrest of Biden's son right? Hmmm... got to tell you, it wasn't so much that I wasn't aware the story was there as much as I could be bothered to actually follow it. Regardless of what Facebook told me to do one way or the other.
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Nah the one where Hunter Biden got a Burisma board position for no reason or experience, where he had business dealings with China despite the lack of experience, and where allusions were made by the Biden family that Joe Biden was involved and aware, including by their former business partner and the recovered laptop.
 
whatithink said:
One of the fundamental problems at the moment, IMV, is the existing echo chambers, both in what people will only tune into, e.g. only watch Fox News and nothing else vs only MSNBC and nothing else, and the social media algorithms which push like content to you, hence reinforcing views and making people "think" that all the new content is just appearing and just happens to reinforce their already entrenched positions.

No idea what Twitter is doing at the moment. I look at it rarely and rely on it for nothing news wise, so its just a 'meh' from me. It could vanish tomorrow and would have zero impact.
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I like your comment but it's clear you still watch television. :D I don't....too slow of means to hand out info.
 
Not even sure if this is true, (with Twitter you never know,) but there is a story floating that one of the men who died "tazed his testicles to death". Meaning, he had a tazer in his pocket that accidentally tazed his testicles causing a heart attack.

Again, not sure if it's true. But if it is- WTH!
 
Grace T. said:
Nah the one where Hunter Biden got a Burisma board position for no reason or experience, where he had business dealings with China despite the lack of experience, and where allusions were made by the Biden family that Joe Biden was involved and aware, including by their former business partner and the recovered laptop.
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Qanon. Does anyone wonder why the Hunter Biden laptop story went nowhere? Because it was so ridiculously fake and made up that no one other than Q disciples lome Grace-Karen believe it.
 
Grace T. said:
If true, then the other possibility is twitter signs its death warrant because the left will pull out as well leaving only mainstream and promotional partners. I hope your right and it's possible that the right is just getting the attention because of Trump's ban. My gut tells me you aren't, but we'll see.
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Parler is going to have to confront a few things:

- They're going to have to deal with the fact that these platforms have to confront censorship at some point. Twitter historically pushed back big time on requests from government agencies (not just the US) to remove accounts, etc. Parler will be no different.

- They have no monetization. It costs a lot of money to run this kind of platform. Right now their traffic is pretty low, so it's probably not a huge issue. The only people going there are the crazies and people that want to watch the crazies.

- They need to have engineering expertise to run a platform like this at scale. Most people in Tech would have no interest in working at Parler.

Not saying they can't make it happen, but the chips are stacked against them. My prediction is Parler folds in 2 years. Everyone relaxes and gets used to Biden as president.
 
NorCalDad said:
Not saying they can't make it happen, but the chips are stacked against them. My prediction is Parler folds in 2 years. Everyone relaxes and gets used to Biden as president.
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Parler depends on what twitter does and how far they go. Banning Trump is a Rubicon that even some anti-Trumpists or some of those disgusted with Trump's behavior (like myself) can't support. If not Parler, it will be a different app. Conservative thinkers like Ben Shapiro have been circling around creating different conservative silos to engage in the cultural war....some things like movies and universities are harder to recreate due to structural impediments in the markets. At least with Parler, they have a platform up and running, but I do agree they'll be challenges with respect to Parler's own structure. This does feel like a watershed event to me, though, and my gut has generally been right about these things. It's another step forward towards separation, and like I've been arguing Trump is the dam not the river (things don't get better because Trump goes away and if Biden is thinking that way it sets him up for failure).

Biden has some very deep structural issues, including foundations in the economy which are very weak as the result of the pandemic, which he is facing. He will either go down as one of our greatest presidents, or his term will be ...what's the word...Buchananesque....he has to be Lincoln or he'll end up being Buchanan. Given his own physical and mental limitations, and the fact his allies don't seem to be doing him any tactical favors, I'm not particularly hopeful.
 
Grace T. said:
Parler depends on what twitter does and how far they go. Banning Trump is a Rubicon that even some anti-Trumpists or some of those disgusted with Trump's behavior (like myself) can't support. If not Parler, it will be a different app. Conservative thinkers like Ben Shapiro have been circling around creating different conservative silos to engage in the cultural war....some things like movies and universities are harder to recreate due to structural impediments in the markets. At least with Parler, they have a platform up and running, but I do agree they'll be challenges with respect to Parler's own structure. This does feel like a watershed event to me, though, and my gut has generally been right about these things. It's another step forward towards separation, and like I've been arguing Trump is the dam not the river (things don't get better because Trump goes away and if Biden is thinking that way it sets him up for failure).

Biden has some very deep structural issues, including foundations in the economy which are very weak as the result of the pandemic, which he is facing. He will either go down as one of our greatest presidents, or his term will be ...what's the word...Buchananesque....he has to be Lincoln or he'll end up being Buchanan. Given his own physical and mental limitations, and the fact his allies don't seem to be doing him any tactical favors, I'm not particularly hopeful.
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Ben Shapiro :)

Let's check back in 2 years. My gut is pretty good on predicting these things as well. My prediction is that Twitter, Facebook, and Instagram will still be the predominate social media platforms. Anything beyond that will be fringe. Parler will be gone as well.
 
NorCalDad said:
Ben Shapiro :)
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Ben's an acquaintance. Daily Wire has done very well despite the cancel culture advertising. Ben recently moved out of California to Nashville.

One of the keys to be able to predict what happens next is you've got to check your sources and not be siloed. If you can only see the one partisan side, the only way you can get it right is if your side wins unconditionally. If that's what you are arguing, you are wrong. We are more likely to be in a shooting civil war than the Trumpists going away...they aren't, they won't.
 
Grace T. said:
Ben's an acquaintance. Daily Wire has done very well despite the cancel culture advertising. Ben recently moved out of California to Nashville.

One of the keys to be able to predict what happens next is you've got to check your sources and not be siloed. If you can only see the one partisan side, the only way you can get it right is if your side wins unconditionally. If that's what you are arguing, you are wrong. We are more likely to be in a shooting civil war than the Trumpists going away...they aren't, they won't.
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Ben Shapiro is a douche. Feel free in relaying that to him :)

Like I said, let's check back in 2 years.
 
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