How’s the 2023-24 season going?

Coming from a mathematical background. To truly grasp calculus, a strong foundation in algebra is indispensable. Similarly, in soccer development, there are critical steps to follow. By mastering each preceding stage, a player not only hones their skills but also evolves into a more cerebral and strategic player on the field.

In the landscape of girls' soccer clubs, San Diego Surf and MVLA stand out as the gold standard in girls soccer for me. Were we situated nearer to either of these esteemed clubs, they would unquestionably be our top choices for consideration. Soccer development, akin to mastering math, hinges on a robust grasp of the fundamentals. These clubs exemplify that principle to its fullest
 
Luis Andres said:
Coming from a mathematical background. To truly grasp calculus, a strong foundation in algebra is indispensable. Similarly, in soccer development, there are critical steps to follow. By mastering each preceding stage, a player not only hones their skills but also evolves into a more cerebral and strategic player on the field.

In the landscape of girls' soccer clubs, San Diego Surf and MVLA stand out as the gold standard in girls soccer for me. Were we situated nearer to either of these esteemed clubs, they would unquestionably be our top choices for consideration. Soccer development, akin to mastering math, hinges on a robust grasp of the fundamentals. These clubs exemplify that principle to its fullest
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I can't argue with that Luis. The San Jose Earthquakes Girls 04 (Old Force Team) team of yesterday was also one of the top possession programs in the country back when my dd was U13. Surf was #1. I think MLVA was called Barcelona if I'm not mistaken and were very good but lacked the athletes to be top team. Today, it's Surf top and MLVA #2 regarding the right way to play.
 
crush said:
I can't argue with that Luis. The San Jose Earthquakes Girls 04 (Old Force Team) team of yesterday was also one of the top possession programs in the country back when my dd was U13. Surf was #1. I think MLVA was called Barcelona if I'm not mistaken and were very good but lacked the athletes to be top team. Today, it's Surf top and MLVA #2 regarding the right way to play.
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100% Agreed...
 
Luis Andres said:
Coming from a mathematical background. To truly grasp calculus, a strong foundation in algebra is indispensable. Similarly, in soccer development, there are critical steps to follow. By mastering each preceding stage, a player not only hones their skills but also evolves into a more cerebral and strategic player on the field.

In the landscape of girls' soccer clubs, San Diego Surf and MVLA stand out as the gold standard in girls soccer for me. Were we situated nearer to either of these esteemed clubs, they would unquestionably be our top choices for consideration. Soccer development, akin to mastering math, hinges on a robust grasp of the fundamentals. These clubs exemplify that principle to its fullest
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What are the rest of the top teams playing these days?
 
crush said:
What are the rest of the top teams playing these days?
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Is our primary metric wins or development? In terms of wins... Without naming names, there are clubs out there that put a singular emphasis on securing victories, often at the expense of consistent player development. In such clubs, whether or not a player truly develops hinges on the luck of the draw — specifically, whether they end up with a coach who values growth over glory. When fortunate, players are mentored by someone who understands the importance of nurturing skills and teaching youth soccer the right way. However, in other cases, they might find themselves under the guidance of a coach who prioritizes wins — a strategy often driven by attracting parents for recruiting purposes rather than genuinely benefitting the players. What's frustrating about such clubs is the glaring absence of a clear structure and fundamental strategy dedicated to the steady progression of their players. Instead, it's a game of chance: you get what they offer, for better or for worse.
 
Luis Andres said:
Is our primary metric wins or development? In terms of wins... Without naming names, there are clubs out there that put a singular emphasis on securing victories, often at the expense of consistent player development. In such clubs, whether or not a player truly develops hinges on the luck of the draw — specifically, whether they end up with a coach who values growth over glory. When fortunate, players are mentored by someone who understands the importance of nurturing skills and teaching youth soccer the right way. However, in other cases, they might find themselves under the guidance of a coach who prioritizes wins — a strategy often driven by attracting parents for recruiting purposes rather than genuinely benefitting the players. What's frustrating about such clubs is the glaring absence of a clear structure and fundamental strategy dedicated to the steady progression of their players. Instead, it's a game of chance: you get what they offer, for better or for worse.
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How do you measure development?

I don't adhere to the cult of one right way to play or to coach players. Just as there are many wrong ways, there are many right ways.
 
Luis Andres said:
Coming from a mathematical background. To truly grasp calculus, a strong foundation in algebra is indispensable. Similarly, in soccer development, there are critical steps to follow. By mastering each preceding stage, a player not only hones their skills but also evolves into a more cerebral and strategic player on the field.

In the landscape of girls' soccer clubs, San Diego Surf and MVLA stand out as the gold standard in girls soccer for me. Were we situated nearer to either of these esteemed clubs, they would unquestionably be our top choices for consideration. Soccer development, akin to mastering math, hinges on a robust grasp of the fundamentals. These clubs exemplify that principle to its fullest
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There's positives and negatives to Surf.

Yes they're very good, yes they're a top posession team, yes they have quality coaches and good fields.

If your kid is top of the pack and super aggressive from ulittle all the way to olders, you're ok dealing with the most ridiculous parent social games, you're ok with Surf constantly recruiting from local and remote teams (because some will actually move to play on Surf) it's the place to be.

It would be interesting to see how many played for Surf and left on a specific team over a ten year span. Not trying to imply anything negative. Surf is what it is + most players and parents know what they're getting into when they join a team.
 
Carlsbad7 said:
There's positives and negatives to Surf.

Yes they're very good, yes they're a top posession team, yes they have quality coaches and good fields.

If your kid is top of the pack and super aggressive from ulittle all the way to olders, you're ok dealing with the most ridiculous parent social games, you're ok with Surf constantly recruiting from local and remote teams (because some will actually move to play on Surf) it's the place to be.

It would be interesting to see how many played for Surf and left on a specific team over a ten year span. Not trying to imply anything negative. Surf is what it is + most players and parents know what they're getting into when they join a team.
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interesting...
 
crush said:
I can't argue with that Luis. The San Jose Earthquakes Girls 04 (Old Force Team) team of yesterday was also one of the top possession programs in the country back when my dd was U13. Surf was #1. I think MLVA was called Barcelona if I'm not mistaken and were very good but lacked the athletes to be top team. Today, it's Surf top and MLVA #2 regarding the right way to play.
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Damn that noise! You sound like a Fan-Boy to me. I got at Deza, Porras, & Montoya and neither had anything.

Please post videos of these players allegedly playing the right way. Why haven’t those players you referenced made it to USWNT and improved their style of play?

I see players from these teams post videos on youtube and invariably it’s kids over-dribbling and playing heroball/kickball.

 
MacDre said:
Damn that noise! You sound like a Fan-Boy to me. I got at Deza, Porras, & Montoya and neither had anything.

Please post videos of these players allegedly playing the right way. Why haven’t those players you referenced made it to USWNT and improved their style of play?

I see players from these teams post videos on youtube and invariably it’s kids over-dribbling and playing heroball/kickball.

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Gee thanks Dre. Long time no chat with bro. I agree that my satire went over the top and I apologize. I have no videos to prove my worth.
 
crush said:
I can't argue with that Luis. The San Jose Earthquakes Girls 04 (Old Force Team) team of yesterday was also one of the top possession programs in the country back when my dd was U13. Surf was #1. I think MLVA was called Barcelona if I'm not mistaken and were very good but lacked the athletes to be top team. Today, it's Surf top and MLVA #2 regarding the right way to play.
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Quakes girls program have gone through a ton of changes since 04. I think they've had at least four or five different name since then.

They're Bay Area Surf now. A decent mid level ECNL team, but not up there with SD Surf.
 
Carlsbad7 said:
It would be interesting to see how many played for Surf and left on a specific team over a ten year span.
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I don't know the numbers, but its most certainly very small. Probably 1-2 tops on average. I do know that the number for the 2010s is zero. In terms of u-little origins, Surf's current 2010 team is essentially SDSC A + a couple from the B team + Albion's top 3-4 players + a few outside fillers. Since the folding of the DA in 2020 though and the destruction of any sort of club parity in San Diego, I'd expect the number of home grown Surf players will grow in future years.

But this can be said for most top clubs once the 11v11 game hits however. Those clubs are rarely starting points and mainly destinations for parents who realize their kiddo is really good at soccer (and some that wish they were).
 
Zeke said:
Quakes girls program have gone through a ton of changes since 04. I think they've had at least four or five different name since then.

They're Bay Area Surf now. A decent mid level ECNL team, but not up there with SD Surf.
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Zeke said:
USWNT players? This is the 2010 board. Did you think WNT was going to select a 12 year old?

I agree with you that my dd is clearly qualified. Just give USSF some time to pick a new coach before asking why they haven't called yet.
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Reading is fundamental homie. I was replying to @crush referencing the alleged 2004 possession teams.
 
Goforgoal said:
I don't know the numbers, but its most certainly very small. Probably 1-2 tops on average. I do know that the number for the 2010s is zero. In terms of u-little origins, Surf's current 2010 team is essentially SDSC A + a couple from the B team + Albion's top 3-4 players + a few outside fillers. Since the folding of the DA in 2020 though and the destruction of any sort of club parity in San Diego, I'd expect the number of home grown Surf players will grow in future years.

But this can be said for most top clubs once the 11v11 game hits however. Those clubs are rarely starting points and mainly destinations for parents who realize their kiddo is really good at soccer (and some that wish they were).
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I know of 3 that left Surf G2010 + I'm not even going back very far. Not sure what you're trying to relay.

Either way it doesn't matter. I just thought it would be an interesting statistic. 3 leaving is pretty normal for any team at this age.
 
crush said:
in 2016, the Force was probably #1 and 100% a force to wrecking with. We did a friendly with them in early 2016 and they got over on us. Yes, we were missing a couple top goats that day, but I need to be honest, they beat us that day. Plus, our GK was sick and not playing her best so they hurt us as well. We never got to play against each other again because Deza took his talents over to the Quakes mid season and the Force was dismantled right before State Cup. I was bummed. Our Surf team won the Natty in 2017 Zeke, and I can say 100% having that Force team disqualified, was a huge break for our softer, yet better at possession Surf team. Yes, our Surf Team was not only #1 in 2017, we were also #1 at Possession in the whole country. No one can dispute me on that FACT. Dre wants video proof and that's the best proof, but my eyes also saw what I saw, and the run Surf made in 2017 was magical. It brought the 10th Natty to that wonderful club, that produces the best players ever in the world. Now that Deza is at Surf, watch out is all I can. To add proof to more of my pudding, Deza went up to my goat after a match and gave her a high five and said, "you play the game the right way little goat." Another scout said my goat is going places, as long as she obeys.
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Okay Fam, I get that you don’t have video proof. But, can we play a game of “where are they now?”

Where are those alleged ballers that you speak so highly of now?
 
crush said:
I've been trying to hunt down the video of big match between SD Surf and Earthquakes in 2018. That game had possession with some high full court pressure on the Quakes. It's how we won the match Dre. Word spread fast that Surf was crown #1 possession team ever based on that victory alone. Anyone on here got old GDA video from that match? Dre wants proof. I will say, from that match alone we had 8 or 9 YNT call ups. Players are now playing for UCLA, Stanford, Notre Dame, Florida State, North Carolina, Cal, Ohio State, North Carolina State, Miami to name just a few. I see probably 5 or 6 from that group going Pro.
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Specifics please. Give names as we are talking about adults.
 
MacDre said:
Okay Fam, I get that you don’t have video proof. But, can we play a game of “where are they now?”

Where are those alleged ballers that you speak so highly of now?
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There all playing college ball Dre. I just gave the list of the schools. They all can ball and play possession. That does mean the college team they're on today is playing possession. Stanford plays the game the right way and if I'm not mistaken, a few from that epic match are on that team. Stanford hands down is #1 at possession in college.
 
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