ECNL Policies

Again, I'm for what Spain has for the top players around 7 or 8th grade. Again, were only talking about a very select few. Everyone else can play club med soccer. My dd, as it turns out, was better suited for HS Soccer and College experience. I still support the best of the best getting it all paid for if they want to go for it and trained 5 days a week, 10 months out of year. My dd would have said no and I would be paying like i am now for a service to help my dd get into CSUF, Cal, USC or Idaho St. Help is help and I get it and you should pay for that help. Plus, it's worth the $3k because my dd is having fun for the most part. HS Soccer has been the funniest part of all to be real EOTL.

Spain has been very successful on the women’s side, so we should definitely do what they are doing. It also makes a lot of sense given how similar the two countries are in size and geography. U.S. is only 20x larger with its two largest cities almost 3000 miles apart. Or...

We could leave things as is, which has resulted in the WNT becoming the greatest soccer power the world has ever known and, more importantly, opened up educational opportunities for 10s of thousands.
 
Trust me when I say I appreciate all that is done by the TM, having direct firsthand knowledge. Our team divvies up the responsibilities that you seem to take on yourself. We have a parent who oversees travel, two parents that distribute handouts to college scouts at showcases, two parents that oversee social media as well as the TM who sits on the bench who looks after the girls as well as keeps stats, organizes the cards and various other duties that I’m probably not even aware of.
I know one mom that told me the other day she she felt like a part time travel agent for her GDA team. I got a good laugh when you wrote you have a parent overseeing travel. Plus, two parents handing out handouts to college coaches seems over kill to me. I watched for 30 minutes at one showcase with my own eyes what those coaches do with those handouts. I'll leave it at that. Q. What's up with the two parents who oversee Social Media? Please elaborate, I'm curious and I don;t want to jump to conclusions.
 
We all have to comply with NCAA rules...players can't contact or have any direct communication early in the recruiting process, so coaches, club directors etc are the primary conduits. But TMs are more visible and accessible at showcases & tourneys. TMs distribute team brochures. Have had many college coaches give me their cards and request a player + parents stay after the games to talk or call them. Happens all the time. We are facilitators (more appropriate term than promoter).
Not no more, which is awesome :) June 15th my soon to be Jr can set up her own talks and promote herself by looking at the coach in the eye and to begin her own recruiting process. No dad or mom their either or her coach or doc or tm. My dd can;t wait. Her coach has been helping her behind the scenes too, meaning the email and video. This is all new and very good for the girls to make sound decisions. Its great for both parties to slow down a little.
 
Spain has been very successful on the women’s side, so we should definitely do what they are doing. It also makes a lot of sense given how similar the two countries are in size and geography. U.S. is only 20x larger with its two largest cities almost 3000 miles apart. Or...

We could leave things as is, which has resulted in the WNT becoming the greatest soccer power the world has ever known and, more importantly, opened up educational opportunities for 10s of thousands.
or we could do that too. I watched this past world cup and I saw some holes in our game of possession. We almost lost too. PK saved us. We still are more physical and that alone might allow us to win, However, it's not possession like little Spain and other teams. I want us to be fastest, most physical and play great possession ball.
 
And let me clarify. I just don't think Club TM should be the person going over and hand out papers. maybe my kid after the game can go shake their hands ((fist pump)) and say thank you for coming to watch. Make it more for the girls. Just my .02 :)
Then who do you think should handle this job?

I think you are misinterpreting what the Poster is saying when they “chat it up with Coach’s”. They aren’t advocating for players.

I volunteer to pass these flyers out during games because it is tough to cover the whole field and Coaches tend to spread out. Once an a while a CC will ask if a certain player is there and you simply answer yes or no. There is no conversation about players that happens in these cases what so ever.
A Coach may also ask the score or how your day is going, but that is the extent.

If you’re not comfortable with that, you have the right to instruct the TM to remove your DD from the flyer that they make for the team (with headshots, bio and Grad year) and handout to every College coach that attends games.
 
Then who do you think should handle this job?

I think you are misinterpreting what the Poster is saying when they “chat it up with Coach’s”. They aren’t advocating for players.

I volunteer to pass these flyers out during games because it is tough to cover the whole field and Coaches tend to spread out. Once an a while a CC will ask if a certain player is there and you simply answer yes or no. There is no conversation about players that happens in these cases what so ever.
A Coach may also ask the score or how your day is going, but that is the extent.

If you’re not comfortable with that, you have the right to instruct the TM to remove your DD from the flyer that they make for the team (with headshots, bio and Grad year) and handout to every College coach that attends games.
The GDA league was stupid for 8th graders but whatever Kicker. The next year, I was so confused Kicker because the rules were changing and we didn;t send emails. The pressure to send emails back then was lame too. All I'm saying is if I had you doing my dd leg work, that would suck!!! Today, my dd needs no help from TM like you to hand things out for her. The coach will see with his eyes and then the two can go chat all they want now after June 15th. That is so beautiful. Good rule change and one that is good for my dd.
 
Then who do you think should handle this job?

I think you are misinterpreting what the Poster is saying when they “chat it up with Coach’s”. They aren’t advocating for players.

I volunteer to pass these flyers out during games because it is tough to cover the whole field and Coaches tend to spread out. Once an a while a CC will ask if a certain player is there and you simply answer yes or no. There is no conversation about players that happens in these cases what so ever.
A Coach may also ask the score or how your day is going, but that is the extent.

If you’re not comfortable with that, you have the right to instruct the TM to remove your DD from the flyer that they make for the team (with headshots, bio and Grad year) and handout to every College coach that attends games.
And just adding more work and drama for the TM to have to deal with. Not an easy job at all! Good points Kicker!
 
And just adding more work and drama for the TM to have to deal with. Not an easy job at all! Good points Kicker!
My gosh you guys, with how I've seen some of you act on here, I would be in big trouble if Kicker or you were my dd TM and the go to person to hand things out and say hi for my dd. That is crazy ass stuff and needs to stop now.
 
Then who do you think should handle this job?

I think you are misinterpreting what the Poster is saying when they “chat it up with Coach’s”. They aren’t advocating for players.

I volunteer to pass these flyers out during games because it is tough to cover the whole field and Coaches tend to spread out. Once an a while a CC will ask if a certain player is there and you simply answer yes or no. There is no conversation about players that happens in these cases what so ever.
A Coach may also ask the score or how your day is going, but that is the extent.

If you’re not comfortable with that, you have the right to instruct the TM to remove your DD from the flyer that they make for the team (with headshots, bio and Grad year) and handout to every College coach that attends games.
Exactly. Thank you for understanding. That is exactly how it's done.
 
I still believe you are missing the Posters and Kickers point!
Oh no I'm not. I'm not saying their bad people for volunteering and running to chase down college coaches to hand them a piece of paper. I actually dreamed that the college coach would be the one chasing down my dd when when she was 17, not 14. Sorry, I don;t want or need the great Kicker or anyone like him do all my dd leg work for her.
 
And let me clarify. I just don't think Club TM should be the person going over and hand out papers. maybe my kid after the game can go shake their hands ((fist pump)) and say thank you for coming to watch. Make it more for the girls. Just my .02 :)


College coaches are to busy to wait around after every game unless they are ready to talk to the player. Have you ever seen their tournament spreadsheet of games and times and how long they can watch a player per day?
 
I'm just being honest with you guys. The showcase in all the leagues were over hyped and I was disappointed with the lay down and the competition. It seemed really fake and I and many parents left disappointed. The fact that you guys have to chase the coaches down says it all right there. Fly to Florida and have Kicker chase down the coaches on the kids behalf? Wow, that is not appealing to me one bit.
 
College coaches are to busy to wait around after every game unless they are ready to talk to the player. Have you ever seen their tournament spreadsheet of games and times and how long they can watch a player per day?
Yes, we had too many showcases too and games for them to travel too. I watch people for a living and I can say it was "burn out" on most real peoples faces. It was overkill and now we can fix all this BS. It was the old way. New way is coming coach. Can you imagine Kicker running down Coach K for a potential Blue Chip he might have missed? C'mon man.......
 
Yes, we had too many showcases too and games for them to travel too. I watch people for a living and I can say it was "burn out" on most real peoples faces. It was overkill and now we can fix all this BS. It was the old way. New way is coming coach. Can you imagine Kicker running down Coach K for a potential Blue Chip he might have missed? C'mon man.

Showcases are not for winning. Showcase all players play 50% in my opinion. I have left the bench and said hi to coaches and asked what they are looking for. Be prepared, your daughter may try talking to a coach who is not there for her. They will be honest if they are not there for yours.
 
Lol. Running around....you stand in the corner with the flyer and they come to you or you walk over and hand them a flyer and walk away.
LOL, I watched with my own eyes. A coach would look for 10 seconds at the field at walk away and I've seen the TM walk faster and jog a little (sorry for saying chase)) to catch up to the coach as he's walking away and just like a relay race, the coach hands his hand back and TM makes a nice drop off. It was the old way of doing things. New way is way better imo. We would get this long list of coaches who "stopped" by for a peak. I've asked what counts as a coach actually watching the game and I have yet to get a good answer. It just ddn;t seem very special, the old way that is.
 
I've asked what counts as a coach actually watching the game and I have yet to get a good answer. It just ddn;t seem very special, the old way that is.
Hard to say what “counts” but if they sit down, pull out their pen, notepad, iPad, etc and are visibly paying attention, I would classify that as watching.
Sure there are some people (TM’s or parents) that are a bit over zealous, but that isn’t the norm or the majority.

Most of the time, Coaches are stopping by a game tin watch a player that has reached out and caught their eye. You can try the, make the coach find your DD approach. Nothing wrong with doing things your way.
 
Hard to say what “counts” but if they sit down, pull out their pen, notepad, iPad, etc and are visibly paying attention, I would classify that as watching.
Sure there are some people (TM’s or parents) that are a bit over zealous, but that isn’t the norm or the majority.

Most of the time, Coaches are stopping by a game tin watch a player that has reached out and caught their eye. You can try the, make the coach find your DD approach. Nothing wrong with doing things your way.
I'm doing my things my way because that GDA league was joke and I had no choice but to get the hell out. it's called "padding your numbers" so you look good too :) Nothing like driving out to CO and having one coach stay and watch. Get the email and they say 25 came to watch. ((This was from a friend who shared with me the truth))
 
or we could do that too. I watched this past world cup and I saw some holes in our game of possession. We almost lost too. PK saved us. We still are more physical and that alone might allow us to win, However, it's not possession like little Spain and other teams. I want us to be fastest, most physical and play great possession ball.

Spain, like most countries, has implemented a system that is best for it in the short term to be competitive in light of the overwhelming limitations it faces with youth soccer on the girls side. But that system also perpetuates its continued failure and inability to ever become a soccer power.

In Spain, very few little girls play soccer, and almost all of them give it by HS age because what is the point? There’s really no HS where you can be a “big deal” at school. It’s not a pathway to get into a better college or a scholarship. It isn’t a pathway to a career. There’s virtually no reason to play the sport into teen years, and certainly none worth playing it to the extent necessary to become a world class player. To overcome this massive disadvantage, Spain finds 20 or 30 kids in each age group while most kids who play soccer are still playing it and tried to turn them into the best soccer players they can be, and apparently makes it free as an inducement. But those 20 or 30 are never the athletes that come out of the 50,000 or more in the US who keep playing in each age group, nor are they players you can rely on to not choke. When you have 20 to choose from, you are forced to deal with kids with limitations that cannot be fully overcome even with the best technical training and skill that you can get out of them. You get a bunch of players whom you can turn into 10s in technical ability, but grow up to be 6s in athletic ability and 4s in intestinal fortitude. They’ll never compete with the likes of Lloyd or Ertz, rise from the US’s deep pool and might be 7s in technical ability, but are 10s as athletes and cold blooded killers.

There’s just no way that Spain will ever be able to be great for long, or probably ever. Maybe you get a Marta who carries a team but still can’t win a WC, or the Iceland men’s team which manages to make a WC before fading back into obscurity. But that’s not why Spain’s way of doing things is doomed.

Rather, their system perpetuates it’s continued failure because it does nothing to cause kids to want to play it. In Spain, there are maybe 4-5 girls in the entire country born every year who will eventually become mothers who might look at soccer as a potential pathway to something more than an little exercise until you’re 12. In the US, you have 10,000 every year who played college soccer and 100,000 who obtained some fulfillment playing HS. They probably sucked at soccer, but they had fun and that means they’ll encourage their kids to play. Then you add in the fact that virtually every girl in the US plays soccer when they’re little, and even the parents who never looked at soccer as a path to anything start to when they get educated by the 10s of thousands who do. From that, you get base of youth players that will never, ever be rivaled by another country. In other words, Spain’s system does nothing to change what holds it back, which is that so few people want to play it. If we act like Spain, we’ll eventually get consistent results like Spain.

When people rip on HS soccer, they fail to understand why it is an important part of the US’s continued success. It is important because it causes people who will eventually become mothers to steeled their kids to soccer because they enjoyed it. It causes fathers to steer their precious little girls that direction because that’s what we do in America, plus daddy also remembers that Jenny who played HS was the most popular girl in school.

I’ll say it again. The only thing that makes a great soccer power is that more kids play it and at a high level, they play it more often, and for a longer span of years. Everything you propose only helps level the playing field by taking away the one big advantage that sets the US apart.
 
I'm doing my things my way because that GDA league was joke and I had no choice but to get the hell out. it's called "padding your numbers" so you look good too :) Nothing like driving out to CO and having one coach stay and watch. Get the email and they say 25 came to watch. ((This was from a friend who shared with me the truth))
What does a league have to do with this discussion? Just a few of us trying to give you perspective (yes...we should all know better).

Go ahead, don’t email Coaches, have the TM take your DD’s info off the Team flyer and tell them if a Coach asks about your DD, nott answer them. I don’t recommend it, but it makes no difference to me.
 
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