ECNL Policies

shales1002 said:
That's odd. Why would someone else manage the team? Is this because of a perceived advantage with regard to playing time? If so, the least debated player on the field will be the gk.
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There lies another big problem in club soccer. Managers being parents of players. Don;t get me started Shales. Go Bruins!!!
 
EOTL said:
A manager who is someone other than a parent would need to be paid, and we know how you feel about that.
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Again, I'm for what Spain has for the top players around 7 or 8th grade. Again, were only talking about a very select few. Everyone else can play club med soccer. My dd, as it turns out, was better suited for HS Soccer and College experience. I still support the best of the best getting it all paid for if they want to go for it and trained 5 days a week, 10 months out of year. My dd would have said no and I would be paying like i am now for a service to help my dd get into CSUF, Cal, USC or Idaho St. Help is help and I get it and you should pay for that help. Plus, it's worth the $3k because my dd is having fun for the most part. HS Soccer has been the funniest part of all to be real EOTL.
 
LadiesMan217 said:
Some of these managers also do favors for the coach (if you know what I mean) whom in turn do favors for the player...
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Sure, but a far higher percentage of soccer parents can’t accept the truth and make s**t up to rationalize why their daughter doesn’t get playing time.

If you don’t want to have sex with a soccer coach, don’t. If you do, that is gross.
 
LadiesMan217 said:
Some of these managers also do favors for the coach (if you know what I mean) whom in turn do favors for the player...
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Lot's of Gumping going on? I didn't hear about that at all. Ewwwwwwww, that's gross!!!!
 
Thoughts from an ECNL team manager...
  • Re: video...our club does not provide video. It's up to each team to coordinate and pay for video packages and get team parents to cover cost or include it in the team fees collected from parents.
  • Managers (at least this one) pay the same as every other player. Registration, team fees, travel, etc. We volunteer our time and don't get anything for free.
  • Stats aren't a part of our job. Why? See next points...
  • We are the primary 'promoter' for every player to college coaches - not just our own. We make every effort to know and treat every player as our own.
  • Instead of watching games, we are talking to college coaches, developing relationships, sticking tampons up players noses to stop nose bleeds, getting ice, and so many other things that most parents don't even see.
  • I won't even mention the countless hours spent talking with team coaches to coordinate practices, organize schedules/tournaments/fitness, fundraisers, team building activities, etc.
  • Dealing with hotel reservations for ECNL tournaments (Maverics and Anthony Travel)...don't even get me started.
  • Create and manage budgets, which include coach expenses and travel arrangements, collect team fees (another job in itself sometimes), not to mention take down/set up for home games...
  • Most team parents are appreciative, but some are not. Some barely give us the time of day until they want something special for their player. And some talk about us (and our players) behind our backs.
  • We love and care for the players. All of them. We do everything for them. We are their advocates. We hear how much they hate their parents going to their games. We hear their doubts about their abilities and hear them worry about what their parents will say about the one mistake they made and not praise them for the 50 other things they did to help their teammates play their best. Yet we defend you and tell your players that you love them and are just trying to be supportive "in your own way".
  • We comfort them when the college coach that promised to show up to the game didn't. And that some players are recruited without putting out much effort, while some work so hard and endure countless injuries but will end their soccer careers prematurely either due to injury or not receiving offers.
  • So much more...just wanted to share a few of the big picture tasks that managers do voluntarily, without compensation and often without notice or appreciation. Except by the players - they know what we do for them, which is why we do it.
'nuff said. I love my job and will miss it and every single player tremendously.
 
Thoughts from an ECNL team manager...((thoughts from a parent who has had 10 different TM))

  • Managers (at least this one) pay the same as every other player. Registration, team fees, travel, etc. We volunteer our time and don't get anything for free. Thank you. I think you should get a 50% discount imo.
  • We are the primary 'promoter' for every player to college coaches - not just our own. We make every effort to know and treat every player as our own. ((No offense, this is my #1 one complaint. What if the TM has it out for your kid? I did not wnat any TM promoting my kid. Yikes!!!))
  • Instead of watching games, we are talking to college coaches, developing relationships, sticking tampons up players noses to stop nose bleeds, getting ice, and so many other things that most parents don't even see. ((Again, I don;t want you building a relationship with any college coaches on my dd behalf. That is for my kid and her only. My kid can play and the coach can watch and those two can do their own, "meet & greet" or some call, one on one)).
  • I won't even mention the countless hours spent talking with team coaches to coordinate practices, organize schedules/tournaments/fitness, fundraisers, team building activities, etc. Thank you!
  • Dealing with hotel reservations for ECNL tournaments (Mavericks and Anthony Travel)...don't even get me started. Thank you!
  • Create and manage budgets, which include coach expenses and travel arrangements, collect team fees (another job in itself sometimes), not to mention take down/set up for home games... Thank you!
  • Most team parents are appreciative, but some are not. Some barely give us the time of day until they want something special for their player. And some talk about us (and our players) behind our backs. I see that all the time. ((That is why it's not a good place for someone like you chatting up with the college coaches on our behalf. That needs to end. I always hated that)).
  • We love and care for the players. All of them. ((except the one's talking behind your back.....lol)) We do everything for them. We are their advocates. We hear how much they hate their parents going to their games. ((My kid loves when we go the game. In fact, we love it too)) We hear their doubts about their abilities and hear them worry about what their parents will say about the one mistake they made and not praise them for the 50 other things they did to help their teammates play their best. Yet we defend you and tell your players that you love them and are just trying to be supportive "in your own way". ((sounds like your the one gossiping TM))
  • We comfort them when the college coach that promised to show up to the game didn't. And that some players are recruited without putting out much effort, while some work so hard and endure countless injuries but will end their soccer careers prematurely either due to injury or not receiving offers. ((Please, let the parents comfort their own children. You're starting to scare me))
  • So much more...just wanted to share a few of the big picture tasks that managers do voluntarily, without compensation and often without notice or appreciation. Except by the players - they know what we do for them, which is why we do it. ((Except one big glaring benefit. You get to meet and chat with all the college coaches. Thanks for all you do TM))
'nuff said. I love my job and will miss it and every single player.......((We will miss you too))
 
Keepers_Keeper said:
Thoughts from an ECNL team manager...
  • Re: video...our club does not provide video. It's up to each team to coordinate and pay for video packages and get team parents to cover cost or include it in the team fees collected from parents.
  • Managers (at least this one) pay the same as every other player. Registration, team fees, travel, etc. We volunteer our time and don't get anything for free.
  • Stats aren't a part of our job. Why? See next points...
  • We are the primary 'promoter' for every player to college coaches - not just our own. We make every effort to know and treat every player as our own.
  • Instead of watching games, we are talking to college coaches, developing relationships, sticking tampons up players noses to stop nose bleeds, getting ice, and so many other things that most parents don't even see.
  • I won't even mention the countless hours spent talking with team coaches to coordinate practices, organize schedules/tournaments/fitness, fundraisers, team building activities, etc.
  • Dealing with hotel reservations for ECNL tournaments (Maverics and Anthony Travel)...don't even get me started.
  • Create and manage budgets, which include coach expenses and travel arrangements, collect team fees (another job in itself sometimes), not to mention take down/set up for home games...
  • Most team parents are appreciative, but some are not. Some barely give us the time of day until they want something special for their player. And some talk about us (and our players) behind our backs.
  • We love and care for the players. All of them. We do everything for them. We are their advocates. We hear how much they hate their parents going to their games. We hear their doubts about their abilities and hear them worry about what their parents will say about the one mistake they made and not praise them for the 50 other things they did to help their teammates play their best. Yet we defend you and tell your players that you love them and are just trying to be supportive "in your own way".
  • We comfort them when the college coach that promised to show up to the game didn't. And that some players are recruited without putting out much effort, while some work so hard and endure countless injuries but will end their soccer careers prematurely either due to injury or not receiving offers.
  • So much more...just wanted to share a few of the big picture tasks that managers do voluntarily, without compensation and often without notice or appreciation. Except by the players - they know what we do for them, which is why we do it.
'nuff said. I love my job and will miss it and every single player tremendously.
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WELL SAID!!!!
 
Keepers_Keeper said:
Thoughts from an ECNL team manager...
  • Re: video...our club does not provide video. It's up to each team to coordinate and pay for video packages and get team parents to cover cost or include it in the team fees collected from parents.
  • Managers (at least this one) pay the same as every other player. Registration, team fees, travel, etc. We volunteer our time and don't get anything for free.
  • Stats aren't a part of our job. Why? See next points...
  • We are the primary 'promoter' for every player to college coaches - not just our own. We make every effort to know and treat every player as our own.
  • Instead of watching games, we are talking to college coaches, developing relationships, sticking tampons up players noses to stop nose bleeds, getting ice, and so many other things that most parents don't even see.
  • I won't even mention the countless hours spent talking with team coaches to coordinate practices, organize schedules/tournaments/fitness, fundraisers, team building activities, etc.
  • Dealing with hotel reservations for ECNL tournaments (Maverics and Anthony Travel)...don't even get me started.
  • Create and manage budgets, which include coach expenses and travel arrangements, collect team fees (another job in itself sometimes), not to mention take down/set up for home games...
  • Most team parents are appreciative, but some are not. Some barely give us the time of day until they want something special for their player. And some talk about us (and our players) behind our backs.
  • We love and care for the players. All of them. We do everything for them. We are their advocates. We hear how much they hate their parents going to their games. We hear their doubts about their abilities and hear them worry about what their parents will say about the one mistake they made and not praise them for the 50 other things they did to help their teammates play their best. Yet we defend you and tell your players that you love them and are just trying to be supportive "in your own way".
  • We comfort them when the college coach that promised to show up to the game didn't. And that some players are recruited without putting out much effort, while some work so hard and endure countless injuries but will end their soccer careers prematurely either due to injury or not receiving offers.
  • So much more...just wanted to share a few of the big picture tasks that managers do voluntarily, without compensation and often without notice or appreciation. Except by the players - they know what we do for them, which is why we do it.
'nuff said. I love my job and will miss it and every single player tremendously.
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WELL SAID! As a parent I appreciate all TM do for my kid. Its a thankless job. So I thank you for putting in hours of your free time to help in any way.
 
gotothebushes said:
WELL SAID! As a parent I appreciate all TM do for my kid. Its a thankless job. So I thank you for putting in hours of your free time to help in any way.
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That was the old TM way and for some like you, it was awesome and so happy for you. Bro, look what a TM had to do for all the parents for free? Talk about being a promotor? I would hate that job. That was just wrong. Plus, and this happened a lot, if you have an issue or dd has one with a mean TM who is vindictive, you could be in a world of hurt, no?
 
Ellejustus said:
That was the old TM way and for some like you, it was awesome and so happy for you. Bro, look what a TM had to do for all the parents for free? Talk about being a promotor? I would hate that job. That was just wrong. Plus, and this happened a lot, if you have an issue or dd has one with a mean TM who is vindictive, you could be in a world of hurt, no?
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It's a thankless job. They do a lot and have to listen to parents complain and complain when they should be going straight to the coach. We and agree to disagree.
 
Ellejustus said:
Thoughts from an ECNL team manager...((thoughts from a parent who has had 10 different TM))

  • Managers (at least this one) pay the same as every other player. Registration, team fees, travel, etc. We volunteer our time and don't get anything for free. Thank you. I think you should get a 50% discount imo.
  • We are the primary 'promoter' for every player to college coaches - not just our own. We make every effort to know and treat every player as our own. ((No offense, this is my #1 one complaint. What if the TM has it out for your kid? I did not wnat any TM promoting my kid. Yikes!!!))
  • ((Again, I don;t want you building a relationship with any college coaches on my dd behalf. That is for my kid and her only. My kid can play and the coach can watch and those two can do their own, "meet & greet" or some call, one on one)).
  • ((That is why it's not a good place for someone like you chatting up with the college coaches on our behalf. That needs to end. I always hated that)).
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Before I get blasted...let me clarify. Speaking only for myself, interaction with college coaches is limited to what the players and parents expect. As managers, we get to know the coaches. We know which ones like to talk and ask questions, and which ones don't. Sorry if I over emphasized that. The point is that when we have 50+ colleges represented at a game, it's a lot of work and often the coaches engage us with questions. You are 100% right...if and when players contact coaches they give us a list of colleges. I know what each player and parent expects. So there are no lines crossed or promotion of players in excess of parent's wish.
 
Keepers_Keeper said:
Before I get blasted...let me clarify. Speaking only for myself, interaction with college coaches is limited to what the players and parents expect. As managers, we get to know the coaches. We know which ones like to talk and ask questions, and which ones don't. Sorry if I over emphasized that. The point is that when we have 50+ colleges represented at a game, it's a lot of work and often the coaches engage us with questions. You are 100% right...if and when players contact coaches they give us a list of colleges. I know what each player and parent expects. So there are no lines crossed or promotion of players in excess of parent's wish.
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Thanks for clairfying TM. I really do appreciate all you guys have to do. My wife was TM for HS and it was awesome and everyone helped. Club TM is thankless and that's why I or my wife would say no all the time. TY again for helping the team and you seem like a great person. Sorry for reading your words too strong.
 
And let me clarify. I just don't think Club TM should be the person going over and hand out papers. maybe my kid after the game can go shake their hands ((fist pump)) and say thank you for coming to watch. Make it more for the girls. Just my .02 :)
 
Ellejustus said:
Thanks for clairfying TM. I really do appreciate all you guys have to do. My wife was TM for HS and it was awesome and everyone helped. Club TM is thankless and that's why I or my wife would say no all the time. TY again for helping the team and you seem like a great person. Sorry for reading your words too strong.
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No worries. It's part of the job :) And thanks. Your appreciation is appreciated :) I should have been less self-promotion-y :)
 
Keepers_Keeper said:
Thoughts from an ECNL team manager...
  • Re: video...our club does not provide video. It's up to each team to coordinate and pay for video packages and get team parents to cover cost or include it in the team fees collected from parents.
  • Managers (at least this one) pay the same as every other player. Registration, team fees, travel, etc. We volunteer our time and don't get anything for free.
  • Stats aren't a part of our job. Why? See next points...
  • We are the primary 'promoter' for every player to college coaches - not just our own. We make every effort to know and treat every player as our own.
  • Instead of watching games, we are talking to college coaches, developing relationships, sticking tampons up players noses to stop nose bleeds, getting ice, and so many other things that most parents don't even see.
  • I won't even mention the countless hours spent talking with team coaches to coordinate practices, organize schedules/tournaments/fitness, fundraisers, team building activities, etc.
  • Dealing with hotel reservations for ECNL tournaments (Maverics and Anthony Travel)...don't even get me started.
  • Create and manage budgets, which include coach expenses and travel arrangements, collect team fees (another job in itself sometimes), not to mention take down/set up for home games...
  • Most team parents are appreciative, but some are not. Some barely give us the time of day until they want something special for their player. And some talk about us (and our players) behind our backs.
  • We love and care for the players. All of them. We do everything for them. We are their advocates. We hear how much they hate their parents going to their games. We hear their doubts about their abilities and hear them worry about what their parents will say about the one mistake they made and not praise them for the 50 other things they did to help their teammates play their best. Yet we defend you and tell your players that you love them and are just trying to be supportive "in your own way".
  • We comfort them when the college coach that promised to show up to the game didn't. And that some players are recruited without putting out much effort, while some work so hard and endure countless injuries but will end their soccer careers prematurely either due to injury or not receiving offers.
  • So much more...just wanted to share a few of the big picture tasks that managers do voluntarily, without compensation and often without notice or appreciation. Except by the players - they know what we do for them, which is why we do it.
'nuff said. I love my job and will miss it and every single player tremendously.
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Trust me when I say I appreciate all that is done by the TM, having direct firsthand knowledge. Our team divvies up the responsibilities that you seem to take on yourself. We have a parent who oversees travel, two parents that distribute handouts to college scouts at showcases, two parents that oversee social media as well as the TM who sits on the bench who looks after the girls as well as keeps stats, organizes the cards and various other duties that I’m probably not even aware of.
 
Ellejustus said:
And let me clarify. I just don't think Club TM should be the person going over and hand out papers. maybe my kid after the game can go shake their hands ((fist pump)) and say thank you for coming to watch. Make it more for the girls. Just my .02 :)
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We all have to comply with NCAA rules...players can't contact or have any direct communication early in the recruiting process, so coaches, club directors etc are the primary conduits. But TMs are more visible and accessible at showcases & tourneys. TMs distribute team brochures. Have had many college coaches give me their cards and request a player + parents stay after the games to talk or call them. Happens all the time. We are facilitators (more appropriate term than promoter).
 
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