ECNL Policies

Ellejustus said:
Buzz off asshole!!! You are an asshole and the reason girls are hurting. Yes, you sir!!!!
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Ha ha. I am not the reason “girls are hurting.” Only one of us doesn’t whine when another kid gets playing time over theirs. Only one of us is always happy when their kid’s teammate starts instead of their kid because a college coach came to see their teammate. Only one of us always goes out of their way when their kid’s coach wants them to play in a showcase because it might help teammates get recruited.

A**hole, well yes, that might be justified on occasion. Which means that only one of us also lacks self-awareness too.
 
EOTL said:
Ha ha. I am not the reason “girls are hurting.” Only one of us doesn’t whine when another kid gets playing time over theirs. Only one of us is always happy when their kid’s teammate starts instead of their kid because a college coach came to see their teammate. Only one of us always goes out of their way when their kid’s coach wants them to play in a showcase because it might help teammates get recruited.

A**hole, well yes, that might be justified on occasion. Which means that only one of us also lacks self-awareness too.
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Hey coach, the asshole was the coach who lied to me and the kid. You don't ever pull an 04 up with 03s to sit them, right? C'mon coach, that is stupid and not good for a little kid who wants to play every game at whatever level she fits. Great coaches we got in youth soccer, let me tell you. Yes, I'm here whining about abuse of girls in many areas. My dd was abused with lies and yells from adult men who said they work for the YNT staff and US Soccer and were licensed when they werent. I asked USSF why they let coaches coach who were not licensed and who werent ready for the female player, but no one answered me. Now, their gone coach. Liars and more lies. Sorry everyone, but this asshole is causing me to go off today.
 
Ellejustus said:
I agree woobie. The only problem is when you want to leave.......
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Well...I get that side of it too. You have to look at both sides and have to be fair and reasonable. In my opinion, when other teammates help contribute, fund raise, donate, etc. to help a family and make things work during the course of year to cover fees, there is an expectation (whether acknowledged or not, right or wrong) that there is a commitment for the year. My opinion, not speaking for others or Dad’s and Parents like me...which was not cool btw.

There are always exceptions. Most clubs don’t refund during the year. I get both sides, wanting to leave if treated unfairly, and felling jilted when you help. It’s a difficult spot to be in for sure. That’s the rub.
 
Ellejustus said:
Hey coach, the asshole was the coach who lied to me and the kid. You don't ever pull an 04 up with 03s to sit them, right? C'mon coach, that is stupid and not good for a little kid who wants to play every game at whatever level she fits. Great coaches we got in youth soccer, let me tell you. Yes, I'm here whining about abuse of girls in many areas. My dd was abused with lies and yells from adult men who said they work for the YNT staff and US Soccer and were licensed when they werent. I asked USSF why they let coaches coach who were not licensed and who werent ready for the female player, but no one answered me. Now, their gone coach. Liars and more lies. Sorry everyone, but this asshole is causing me to go off today.
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Funny you should say that. I never talk about my kid(s), but I will make an exception and tell a story this one time only because you’re “special” and place outsized importance on anecdotal experiences.

(One of) my kid(s) was asked by their club coach to play up at a showcase because the olders were starting to get recruited and the coach considered mine to be helpful bench filler. Because I’m not actually an a**hole in real life, and because I also know most favors eventually get reciprocated if you surround yourself with the right people, I said “of course”. No whining. No expectations. Only gratitude that my kid would play with older kids they looked up to.

Like all good TMs, and even before I knew it was a thing, the TM put my kid’s bio and photo on the team roster, which was handed out to the college coaches before games. My kid never started, barely played in one game, but had the good fortune to get subbed in early once because a teammate got hurt. That game happened to have more than 50 college coaches watching. How do you think it worked out that I wasn’t a selfish, narcissistic a**hole with unrealistic expectations?

You keep fighting a system in a way that comes off as detrimental even how you tell the stories. While many enjoyable things are inevitably happening during your kid’s youth soccer experience, you seem to be missing them solely because you have a negative perspective. I’ve said it to you before, but the best thing you can do is find one of the “queen maker” coaches who can help deliver the best opportunity for her, and then stay out of the way. The best club coaches are literally professionals, so let them do their job. Right now you are the client who doesn’t listen to their lawyer’s advice or the patient who doesn’t listen to their doctor. Don’t act like you know better than them. Don’t be the guy who keeps changing from good doctors and lawyers to bad ones because you don’t like hearing you have brain cancer or that 3 to 5 is the best you’re gonna get.
 
EOTL said:
Funny you should say that. I never talk about my kid(s), but I will make an exception and tell a story this one time only because you’re “special” and place outsized importance on anecdotal experiences.

(One of) my kid(s) was asked by their club coach to play up at a showcase because the olders were starting to get recruited and the coach considered mine to be helpful bench filler. Because I’m not actually an a**hole in real life, and because I also know most favors eventually get reciprocated if you surround yourself with the right people, I said “of course”. No whining. No expectations. Only gratitude that my kid would play with older kids they looked up to.

Like all good TMs, and even before I knew it was a thing, the TM put my kid’s bio and photo on the team roster, which was handed out to the college coaches before games. My kid never started, barely played in one game, but had the good fortune to get subbed in early once because a teammate got hurt. That game happened to have more than 50 college coaches watching. How do you think it worked out that I wasn’t a selfish, narcissistic a**hole with unrealistic expectations?

You keep fighting a system in a way that comes off as detrimental even how you tell the stories. While many enjoyable things are inevitably happening during your kid’s youth soccer experience, you seem to be missing them solely because you have a negative perspective. I’ve said it to you before, but the best thing you can do is find one of the “queen maker” coaches who can help deliver the best opportunity for her, and then stay out of the way. The best club coaches are literally professionals, so let them do their job. Right now you are the client who doesn’t listen to their lawyer’s advice or the patient who doesn’t listen to their doctor. Don’t act like you know better than them. Don’t be the guy who keeps changing from good doctors and lawyers to bad ones because you don’t like hearing you have brain cancer or that 3 to 5 is the best you’re gonna get.
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OK coach dad. Listen ass, the coaches lied to me, ok. I dont need no favors for my kid when the head coach & doc lie to my face on multiple times. The point is this. Coaches ((not all)) lie all the time and tell you one thing and do another. When a team buys a poor player and their family, they think they own your ass. They think they can behave wrong in front of 14 year olds. So, like a good dad, I said stop lying. They didnt, we left mid season too. Nothing like leaving the team high and dry. Yup, we did that on purpose to just because......Coach Elitist Dad award goes to you EOTL. At least you have a dd playing. Now I feel better about you. Thanks for coming clean finally dad. Coach as well? TM? How about a seat on the board at your club?
 
Ellejustus said:
@EOTL Usually the kids that get the favors to play up, one of the parents have a seat on the board at clubs or are very big donors. Which one are you?
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Donations and service on the board of a non-profit are both highly admirable. I am glad you’re finally learning how things work in real life.

Brah, you quit mid-season on a club that was free? WTF? I think there’s a phrase for that, something about looking a gift horse in the mouth. Or maybe that you get what you pay for.
 
EOTL said:
Donations and service on the board of a non-profit are both highly admirable. I am glad you’re finally learning how things work in real life.

Brah, you quit mid-season on a club that was free? WTF? I think there’s a phrase for that, something about looking a gift horse in the mouth. Or maybe that you get what you pay for.
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Brah, you almost got away with it. It will be real bad for you soon.
 
46n2 said:
We cringe when we read your post , please go away forever and stop hogging this website with your meaningless comments , from multiple user names, on every frick'en post on here. Your a psychopath and every coaches worst nightmare.
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Who is WE? Why do you cringe? Only two coaches and one doc I know would say I'm a crazy ass father. A few others have thanked me for speaking up on the hard issues facing our kids. I have only one Avatar. I dont use multiple users ((I tried it once and I couldnt do it)), so stop lying TM? Lot's of TM spies on here everyone and those in high volunteer positions will report back to HQs what the pulse with the customer base. If your doing naughty things, yes, you won't want me on the team or my dd. That is true.
 
46n2 said:
Point proven , Thank you
Remember we are watching you ....
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Oh, I know I'm being watched and so is my dd. Thanks for warning me and please report back to her coaches. Beware of the TM and the volunteers who snitch and spy on players. It's really sick and disgusting but some people........
 
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EOTL said:
I’m not a person you want to keep threatening.
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Man, all you guys take me wrong. "You almost got away with it" only means I thought you were only a coach and had zero kids. "Real bad soon" is more about Karma and that's it sir. Man, this is a scary place and I wish it wasn;t. I better lay low because when people feel threatened they do things out of fear. I think it's best we not talk anymore. And please, don't take me that serious.
 
Its a great place but YOU have destroyed any joy that anyone gets from this forum with your dysphoric unrealistic rants about me, me, me.......blah blah blah, We are over it , you post over 30 x's a day, sometimes more.

Fact is with YOUR, not your DD, personal journey in this wonderful sport we all love, YOU have and will have a very negative outcome ---Laws of cause and effect look it up....

If you step aside, let your DD steer her path, it will be fine, you are the only one standing in her way. As you have already proven many times with your countless stories, dont you get it???? Jesus Christ enough is enough man!!! I beg you to not reply but you wont. Honestly I bet your the parent that texts the coach during the games.......

Man becomes what he thinks about all day long. – Ralph Waldo Emerson
 
EOTL said:
but the best thing you can do is find one of the “queen maker” coaches who can help deliver the best opportunity for her,
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you're showing your age...that's old school thought...cable vs. Netflix...MSFT vs. Google...truth is nowadays with social media, soccer camps, leagues with well attended showcases, improved smaller clubs, and the forthcoming resurgence of HS soccer, there are many more pathways to the next level. The influx of international players in the men's and women's college game is a perfect example of coaches finding players beyond the "rusty copper pipes".

The "queen maker" coaches no longer have the power and exclusivity that they had 10-15 years ago, though in their minds I'm sure they still think they do. Especially if they are a pompous ass--and there are many--there is no longer a legitimate reason to figuratively curtsy or bow to these coaches. Unfortunately, many risk averse parents still do, and their player suffers in the long run because of it.
 
oh canada said:
you're showing your age...that's old school thought...cable vs. Netflix...MSFT vs. Google...truth is nowadays with social media, soccer camps, leagues with well attended showcases, improved smaller clubs, and the forthcoming resurgence of HS soccer, there are many more pathways to the next level. The influx of international players in the men's and women's college game is a perfect example of coaches finding players beyond the "rusty copper pipes".

The "queen maker" coaches no longer have the power and exclusivity that they had 10-15 years ago, though in their minds I'm sure they still think they do. Especially if they are a pompous ass--and there are many--there is no longer a legitimate reason to figuratively curtsy or bow to these coaches. Unfortunately, many risk averse parents still do, and their player suffers in the long run because of it.
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I never said it was the only pathway, only that it is by far the best one, and if still is. Feel free to play at a lesser club for a coach that college coaches can’t rely upon to provide honest and accurate assessments. Feel free to send a hundred emails and waste hundreds of hours creating social media accounts and videos. Fine if you want to cross your fingers that college coaches at the best programs will go to a HS game or watch a lower tier team with one player at a showcase, instead of 20 prospects in the Blues v. Slammers game on then next field. There is a reason 50 coaches watch that game and two watch the other one.

The problem with your way of thinking is that playing for an excellent coach who is respected and
trusted by college coaches is not bowing down to anyone. It is getting what you pay for. It is the weird attitude that people just want to fight and do everything the hard way. LegalZoom and WebMD are also helpful ways for cheap bastards to gain information, but are also poor substitutes to get things done right.

The reality is these coaches are more important now more than ever due to the compressed recruiting timeframes, and also due to the chaos of Covid-19. They have even more power than they ever have. They’re making calls while kids can’t even film recent video to send, play in a showcase where they can be seen, or do anything to help your kid other than have her send emails that go straight into the electronic circular file. Now, more than ever, college coaches must rely on the club coaches they trust.
 
EOTL said:
I never said it was the only pathway, only that it is by far the best one, and if still is.
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Not if your kid becomes a better player elsewhere. In sport, connections can only get you so far. At some point, talent carries you farther. No longer are we in a recruitment age where good players go unnoticed. Hailie Mace is Exhibit A.

Good, skilled players do not need the McDonald's clubs and coaches now to get noticed for the next level. Mediocre, dime-a-dozen, players do.
 
oh canada said:
Not if your kid becomes a better player elsewhere. In sport, connections can only get you so far. At some point, talent carries you farther. No longer are we in a recruitment age where good players go unnoticed. Hailie Mace is Exhibit A.

Good, skilled players do not need the McDonald's clubs and coaches now to get noticed for the next level. Mediocre, dime-a-dozen, players do.
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The fact that you’ve managed to point out one kid - who has been the subject of numerous articles about how incredibly lucky she was that UCLA made her an offer given she played for a small club - actually proves my point. So too does the fact that there are at least 14 kids at UCLA and Stanford alone who played at Blues, Surf and Slammers.

C’mon you’re just arguing for the sake of arguing. You’re saying that just because there’s a one in million chance you might get struck by lightning, it must be a good idea.
 
EOTL said:
The fact that you’ve managed to point out one kid - who has been the subject of numerous articles about how incredibly lucky she was that UCLA made her an offer given she played for a small club - actually proves my point. So too does the fact that there are at least 14 kids at UCLA and Stanford alone who played at Blues, Surf and Slammers.

C’mon you’re just arguing for the sake of arguing. You’re saying that just because there’s a one in million chance you might get struck by lightning, it must be a good idea.
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#okboomer
 
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