Tangential thought...you've described Rachel Maddow to perfection.
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Summary and study itself here. You all will recall I said cloth masks probably reduced particles from 5-15%....this study found 10% which puts me at the bullseye...yet another thing you can throw on my list of rightness. The study also found ventilation was sometimes even more effective than masks. Cloth masks only had a 50% reduction through the material, but the majority of escape was in the gaps around the mask. The recommendation is better masks + ventilation.
Based on the study, also here's an anecdote. DS and I were enjoying our Sunday dinner at a Mexican restaurant, outdoors, no masks. A 4-5 year old girl walks in with her family at a neighboring table....she's wearing a full size adult surgical masks. Larger than 3 cm holes gaping around her cheeks. Extrapolating from the study, that mask is doing nothing to protect her, nothing to protect those around her, but yet is acceptable in school. Go figure
If y'all want to do masking, we've got to stop the security theater of cloth masks. The discussion should be about mandating higher quality masks and what the costs and benefits are of that. Y'all don't want to do that, though, because you know the majority will tell you to stuff it, particularly when it comes to putting kids in those masks all day, as illustrated by our dinner neighbors.
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Based on the study, also here's an anecdote. DS and I were enjoying our Sunday dinner at a Mexican restaurant, outdoors, no masks. A 4-5 year old girl walks in with her family at a neighboring table....she's wearing a full size adult surgical masks. Larger than 3 cm holes gaping around her cheeks. Extrapolating from the study, that mask is doing nothing to protect her, nothing to protect those around her, but yet is acceptable in school. Go figure
If y'all want to do masking, we've got to stop the security theater of cloth masks. The discussion should be about mandating higher quality masks and what the costs and benefits are of that. Y'all don't want to do that, though, because you know the majority will tell you to stuff it, particularly when it comes to putting kids in those masks all day, as illustrated by our dinner neighbors.
Experimental investigation of indoor aerosol dispersion and accumulation in the context of COVID-19: Effects of masks and ventilation
The ongoing COVID-19 pandemic has highlighted the importance of aerosol dispersion in disease transmission in indoor environments. The present study experimentally investigates the dispersion and b...
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So you are saying they lied to us (yet again!!!)? We actually agree on something since the most recent data does not support the notion vaccinated folks have the probability of infection: lower viral loads, lower time period contagious, less likely to get COVID or at a minimum a high viral load case.
The Sweden experiment: how no lockdowns led to better mental health, a healthier economy and happier schoolchildren
While Sweden's decision to stay open throughout the pandemic generated international debate, the controversy passed most people in Sweden by
www.telegraph.co.uk
Further to this....
Virological and serological kinetics of SARS-CoV-2 Delta variant vaccine-breakthrough infections: a multi-center cohort study
medRxiv - The Preprint Server for Health Sciences
www.medrxiv.org
ps if this holds up it pushes me more towards the UK approach (because that frees up vaccines for use in the third world rather than another round of boosters in the first world, except for the aged and immunocompromised). But I'd still want to know: how does it hold up over time, what role exactly does natural immunity play on this, is it enough to say that the vaccines initial dose substantially precludes serious illness and serious long term harm.Further to this....
Virological and serological kinetics of SARS-CoV-2 Delta variant vaccine-breakthrough infections: a multi-center cohort study
medRxiv - The Preprint Server for Health Sciences
Australia has lost its mind. Shooting dogs to stop COVID spread. Yes, it's 1 council (but 1 council with zero covid and they are shooting dogs!!!)
www.nzherald.co.nz
'Completely appalled': NSW council shoots shelter dogs over Covid infection fears
Among those euthanised was a dog that had recently given birth to a litter of puppies.
www.nzherald.co.nz
What do you expect? The right has politicized the heck out of scientific advice. And you were first in line to cheer as they did it.
Result? No more nuanced advice for you. Advice with error bars? Nope. Current best guess, knowing it will be partly wrong? Nope. Senator Paul has proven that we aren't mature enough to receive the real version.
Instead, we get the scrubbed and sanitized version, curated for political survival on YouTube.
Congrats. Hope you're happy. Enjoy your next your next YouTube lesson. I hear they have a great video comparing mosquitoes to chain link fences.
Errr. Fauci and co were the ones that started lying about it when they said don’t buy the masks at the beginning of this. Several of them admitted they lied to protect the Ppe supply for health care workers. Then remember the herd immunity goal posts he kept moving? But of course you choose to forget that. By their horrible messaging on everything from masks to the China lab leak, they have destroyed their own credibility. Credibility is earned and they’ve torched it. You yourself just provided another example of it. Congrats.
Walk back slowly… and Grace won’t strike.
BTW…she’s kinda a troll too (really anyone in this forum at this point is to some degree, like you.).
Maybe scorning the ‘right’ on politicizing things is missing the forest for the trees.
The sad thing is we actually agreed on something there before he went political. I thought for a moment we would start holding hands and singing kumbaya but now I’m sure he regrets pointing out the lie by the experts
after all these posts on this thread I think you have a fair point about everyone. It depends on your definition of troll. Folks like roadrunner or dad on the pro side or kicking myself watfly or even bruddah on the con can be classified more at this points as zealots. That’s different though than busker/espola/eotl/sheriff joe that just want to stir up conflict and actually enjoy it. Then you have crush doing his own thing.
I posted a few days ago that both sides are near the end of their patience with one another. You can see it in the lashing out on these forums by both sides. With eu authorization coming off of Pfizer for the 16 and over and the coming mandate fights it’s about to get the ugliest yet
Hüsker Dü
DA
Your whole approach is steeped in the political. It is so entrenched in you that you can’t see it. You obviously have been so deeply immersed in rightwing thought that you feel it’s just the way everyone thinks. That and you are super defensive about it.
1. Covid unfortunately as dom discovered by its nature is political
2. I actually lean left on most things. Was not a trump fan, have been to the left of dad4 on some issues, po’d some people by criticizing trump on Afghanistan, voted and campaigned for Obama.
3. But the righties at least so far have been more right on covid. Sorry if that ticks you off.
4. My politics are actually the closest to tulsi
Desert Hound
DA
So we went in to limit their ability to fight, clean out the bad guys etc.
On the way out we leave them a very nice parting gift. They have better stuff than ever before.
“the U.S. gave Afghan forces an estimated $28 billion in weaponry between 2002 and 2017. But now, ‘everything that hasn’t been destroyed is the Taliban’s now,’ a U.S. official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, told Reuters.”
On the way out we leave them a very nice parting gift. They have better stuff than ever before.
“the U.S. gave Afghan forces an estimated $28 billion in weaponry between 2002 and 2017. But now, ‘everything that hasn’t been destroyed is the Taliban’s now,’ a U.S. official, who spoke on the condition of anonymity, told Reuters.”
Hound, are you now seeing the board? Get ready bro. Game on!!!
"Christian" churches are having a hard time. Some preach jab and obey and some preach "stay away from Jab" and other conspiracy theories. Oc Register said, "Leaders of some nondenominational churches in Southern California are using their pulpits to push hard for Trump-brand Republicanism. Some also are promoting conspiracy theories, such as false claims that the 2020 election was stolen from Donald Trump. And some pastors are embracing the broad theory of Christian nationalism, which says America is defined as a Christian nation and must return to those roots."
This is all about "Us vs Them" Game of Life. It's such an easy game to play and evil to implement. WHO likes to teach hate, division, spite, us vs them, my way or the highway and so many more dualistic us vs them games? I know the answer btw
These fools make a buck no matter what side wins because their the one's inventing the game, making the rules up as they go, move goal post anytime they want and they get to be the ref and Commissioner. That's called a twofer or being on both sides of power & control to cash in. Prescott Bush did it as did some other rich assholes. I dont think the claim of the Election fraud is proven yet to be false either. OC writer is implying that folks like me are making up false claims. We dont know yet if these claims are false. Clapper said yesterday all t supporters are Taliban now. So in two weeks the left has called people like me Schmucks, drunk drivers, virus spreaders, super spreaders, conspiracy whackos, freedom fighters, warriors for God and truth, Taliban Terrorist, anti-Vaxxers, anti mask and guilty of giving everyone the Delta after they got Vaccinated twice. The truth is I lost everything and most on here won't if things go the way they hope. I too have hope but my hope is slipping away. However, if my way is the right way and I just have to let it ride, then the tables will be turned. This is all I hope for. The first shall be last and the last first. I played fair you guys and you will all see a miracle.
This is all about "Us vs Them" Game of Life. It's such an easy game to play and evil to implement. WHO likes to teach hate, division, spite, us vs them, my way or the highway and so many more dualistic us vs them games? I know the answer btw
These fools make a buck no matter what side wins because their the one's inventing the game, making the rules up as they go, move goal post anytime they want and they get to be the ref and Commissioner. That's called a twofer or being on both sides of power & control to cash in. Prescott Bush did it as did some other rich assholes. I dont think the claim of the Election fraud is proven yet to be false either. OC writer is implying that folks like me are making up false claims. We dont know yet if these claims are false. Clapper said yesterday all t supporters are Taliban now. So in two weeks the left has called people like me Schmucks, drunk drivers, virus spreaders, super spreaders, conspiracy whackos, freedom fighters, warriors for God and truth, Taliban Terrorist, anti-Vaxxers, anti mask and guilty of giving everyone the Delta after they got Vaccinated twice. The truth is I lost everything and most on here won't if things go the way they hope. I too have hope but my hope is slipping away. However, if my way is the right way and I just have to let it ride, then the tables will be turned. This is all I hope for. The first shall be last and the last first. I played fair you guys and you will all see a miracle.
Desert Hound
DA
Based on other countries with Delta we have seen it all run its course in roughly 8 weeks.
I honestly wonder why people freak out. Make crazy projections.
We have real world data from a variety of western countries who have had their delta wave. Those waves all lasted roughly the same amount of time. Lots of cases, relatively few extra deaths.
Logically one would assume we would look at that and go with that.
And yet we see doomsday forecasts, plans for restrictions, etc.
Why do we assume the US is going to experience it differently vs any other place?
Now some may say overall it will be around longer. That in a sense may be true. However regionally (the South, the SW, the Midwest, the East) I lay money they see similar curves to what other countries already have. And those countries didn't have a bad experience.