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Or you could compare the no mask high vaccinated places like in the uk v masked high vaccinated places and maybe realize the masks aren’t doing that much esp ag the delta???
The anti-mask loons like you have half a leg to stand on. You're wrong, but it takes a little work to show it.

The anti-vax loons like BIZ have nothing. You can logically throw their arguments in the trash after one look at the hospital admissions for vax versus unvax.

So, Biz, any luck finding a highly vaccinated city with above average covid deaths?
 
Ah, see that's the thing. If you want to weaponize IFR measurements you should play by the same rules as those who are trying to get real epidemiological data. What sort of sample size do you need? What is the sampling density? What is the time period? What is the age structure of the sample population (that was likely a factor in Sweden's big up front mortality hit that Twitter Science seems to forget about for example)? Are you really doing an IFR calculation or just using cases as the denominator? Context. Here we see it starting to creep into play when you realize you can't plug 0 into the ratio.
Real epidemiological data? This pandemic event is being compared to itself. When have we ever used PCR testing to shut down the world economy? Maybe during the first SAR's?
 
The anti-mask loons like you have half a leg to stand on. You're wrong, but it takes a little work to show it.

The anti-vax loons like BIZ have nothing. You can logically throw their arguments in the trash after one look at the hospital admissions for vax versus unvax.

So, Biz, any luck finding a highly vaccinated city with above average covid deaths?
No. But zero deaths sounds like a good reason to lose the mask. Lol!
 
You mean because Pinochet was a big vaxx fan?

Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. Pinochet was a books of leviticus and deuteronomy, the law of the jungle and the sea are your only teachers type of guy. Dylan said that song got away from him and became its own monster. not the first time in history. probably not the last.
 
Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. Pinochet was a books of leviticus and deuteronomy, the law of the jungle and the sea are your only teachers type of guy. Dylan said that song got away from him and became its own monster. not the first time in history. probably not the last.
He sounds like a true believer? Did he know?
 
Real epidemiological data? This pandemic event is being compared to itself. When have we ever used PCR testing to shut down the world economy? Maybe during the first SAR's?

No. IFR is meant to provide an intrinsic value for a given pathological agent. You can track it over time or bin it into different components of a population but it is best measured across large sets of data precisely to normalize for the differences you are wanting to highlight. Otherwise you can just think of IFRs being draw up by a redistricting committee. Draw the boundaries for the calculation across whatever sampling set, density, geographic region time periods etc until you flip a ratio of voters one way or another.

That does not mean there are not interesting and likely informative differences in susceptibility between different peoples, exposure patterns and the like. For example, since you seem interested in the interface between innate and acquired immunity, Twitter Science points to both Sweden and India being success stories for a non-intervention approach to CoV-2. Sweden has a sero-positivity of maybe low 20% while India has a sero-positivity of upper 60% something like that. Assuming that is not simply a reflection of delta vs earlier variants, its quite possibly saying something about immunological responses in the underlying populations. There are interesting hypotheses for what that could be.

And I agree there is an issue about PCR case positive vs how one wants to define an infection. The CDC IMO did not do themselves any favors with their latest release. Most of it we already knew and the potentially new stuff was confusing.
 
I don't see that at all. To me, the horrible human beings in this issue are those who campaign against common sense and science for selfish or political reasons. I was thinking of nominating as my first self-induced victim DIck Ferrel, a Florida radio personality who declared the vaccine to be poisonous, and then died from covid a few weeks later.


If that makes me a horrible person, then just ignore what I have to say on the subject. And maybe ignore him, too, obviously.
Cruel man you truly are Uncle Espola. Most of my friends WHO took jab have fallen ill at one time or another sense taking last jab. All of them will not take booster, trust me. No one has gone to the hospital or ICU or to the Coroner that I know personally over the last 18 months. I always get second hand or even third hand gossip, which we all take with a grain of salt. All my homeless friends I help from time to time are doing awesome. Food & cloths and beach cave and super happy actually.

Dr. Espola- Medical Examiner/Coroner & Uncle


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The anti-mask loons like you have half a leg to stand on. You're wrong, but it takes a little work to show it.

The anti-vax loons like BIZ have nothing. You can logically throw their arguments in the trash after one look at the hospital admissions for vax versus unvax.

So, Biz, any luck finding a highly vaccinated city with above average covid deaths?

I thought it just involves prayer to the mask god. ^\_(;?)_/^ The funny thing is you don’t recognize your unflappable faith in masks is the same as his in natural immunity.
 
I don't see that at all. To me, the horrible human beings in this issue are those who campaign against common sense and science for selfish or political reasons. I was thinking of nominating as my first self-induced victim DIck Ferrel, a Florida radio personality who declared the vaccine to be poisonous, and then died from covid a few weeks later.


If that makes me a horrible person, then just ignore what I have to say on the subject. And maybe ignore him, too, obviously.
Bit ghoulish but you do you. I’m just happy you are finally showing us all your true self.
 
Bit ghoulish but you do you. I’m just happy you are finally showing us all your true self.
It's his Shadow/Carl coming out in full force Grace. He decided to actually go fulltime or as some say, "all in" with hate in his true, FALSE self. The true, TRUE self is loving, truthful, honest, stands for justice for ALL humans, protects all kids, respects woman and all the rest of humanity, regardless of social status ((Elitist)) and look down on everyone else types, which I call snobs!!! I am Espola's worse nightmare. Dude has zero empathy for humanity, which makes him obvious to the reader what he TRULY represents. Two sides to pick. Darkness or Light? Eternity at both places is at stake, so choose carefully but choose you must, MOO and some old ancient text written long ago. If this is all for chance, then this is a cruel summer!!!

 
The Vikings, as of Tuesday, had the lowest percentage (70) of vaccinated players in the NFL.

"I’m done talking about vaccinations. I’m out of that business," coach Mike Zimmer said Wednesday.
 
No. IFR is meant to provide an intrinsic value for a given pathological agent. You can track it over time or bin it into different components of a population but it is best measured across large sets of data precisely to normalize for the differences you are wanting to highlight. Otherwise you can just think of IFRs being draw up by a redistricting committee. Draw the boundaries for the calculation across whatever sampling set, density, geographic region time periods etc until you flip a ratio of voters one way or another.

That does not mean there are not interesting and likely informative differences in susceptibility between different peoples, exposure patterns and the like. For example, since you seem interested in the interface between innate and acquired immunity, Twitter Science points to both Sweden and India being success stories for a non-intervention approach to CoV-2. Sweden has a sero-positivity of maybe low 20% while India has a sero-positivity of upper 60% something like that. Assuming that is not simply a reflection of delta vs earlier variants, its quite possibly saying something about immunological responses in the underlying populations. There are interesting hypotheses for what that could be.

And I agree there is an issue about PCR case positive vs how one wants to define an infection. The CDC IMO did not do themselves any favors with their latest release. Most of it we already knew and the potentially new stuff was confusing.
So, one size fits all doesn't work.
 
This just in, not from CNN: Leading Israeli Health Official: Vaccinated Account For 95% of Severe and 85-90% of New Covid Hospitalizations; Vaccine Effectiveness is “Really Fading”

This week Dr. Kobi Haviv, the medical director of Israel’s leading center for respiratory care, joined the country’s Channel 13 News to share an extremely concerning update regarding breakthrough cases among the vaccinated.
 
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