Bad News Thread

crush said:
He's using those old pony dog double standard trickery. This guy is classic. He will always be Eeyore to me.

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Being a tigger myself I have a hard time relating to the eeyores. I’m bouncy wouncy bouncy wouncy fun fun fun fun fun. The wonderful thing about tiggers is that I’m the only one.
 
Grace T. said:
False....I don't do much by way of politics on these boards (politics bore me) but I've been a critic of the vocabulary Trump used and the crass style of his rhetoric made me want to barf. I did appreciate that, unlike the gentlemen Republicans, he was willing to get in the gutter and fight, but I disliked the way he did it. I think, at least so far, DeSantis does it so much better. The problem is that great unwashed masses (much as they like spectacles like mixed martial arts or wrestling) sometimes like things we elites find crass or vulgar so it remains to be seen if DeSantis can sell his brand to Trump Republicans. He's the only one with a shot right now to unite the libertarian, Cruz conservative and Trumpian Republican wings of the party, so we'll see if he can do it.
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DeSantis’ lack of proper covid response won’t play well with the general public. His mini-me act does play well with the “HELL YEAH!” crowd.
 
Grace T. said:
False....I don't do much by way of politics on these boards (politics bore me) but I've been a critic of the vocabulary Trump used and the crass style of his rhetoric made me want to barf. I did appreciate that, unlike the gentlemen Republicans, he was willing to get in the gutter and fight, but I disliked the way he did it. I think, at least so far, DeSantis does it so much better. The problem is that great unwashed masses (much as they like spectacles like mixed martial arts or wrestling) sometimes like things we elites find crass or vulgar so it remains to be seen if DeSantis can sell his brand to Trump Republicans. He's the only one with a shot right now to unite the libertarian, Cruz conservative and Trumpian Republican wings of the party, so we'll see if he can do it.
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"DeSantis does it so much better."

I just wanted to make sure I didn't forget where this statement was made.

Right after "I don't do much by way of politics on these boards".
 
Hüsker Dü said:
What’s he ever lied about? “Bully”? How’s that? Is it because he expects people to back their claims, show their work so to speak? t- party types do hate the idea of personal responsibility, when comes to them personally.
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Oh pipe down…you epitomize everything you mock others for. Does “T” pay rent for the space he occupies in your mind or do you just use him as a spark to try and light fires so you can bully and insult people online?

I’m sorry you were picked on so much in life that you get your rocks off insulting people online.

Hope things turn around for you someday as I’m sure your “QTL” is getting shorter by the day.
 
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espola said:
"DeSantis does it so much better."

I just wanted to make sure I didn't forget where this statement was made.

Right after "I don't do much by way of politics on these boards".
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I was asked a direct question idiot so I answered. There's the ol double standard again. And what's funny is I was actually agreeing in part with Husker for a change. Just face it man...you are a troll....nothing more.
 
kickingandscreaming said:
Since his extreme "personality" got banned, it became too much strain for him to represent the others consistently. The anger bleeds over.
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I like to think there is some universe where this is actually true. Because a personality which can hold old Magoo espola, crazy EOTL, and classic troll Husker (not to mention the cleverness in all the wacky names) would be a) quite fearsome, and b) completely insane. If that 1 individual could do dad4 as well it would be truly a sight to behold.
 
Grace T. said:
Yes, and no. This was always going to happen the more vaxxed people you have just because the vaxxed have a bigger denominator. The more accurate percentage would be to compare the percent of vaxxed to the percent unvaxxed hospitalized/severe. That said, there is some truth to the idea that vaccine effectiveness is "really falling" at least as far as cases are concerned (deaths in Israel still on the floor). Incidentally, Israel has also had a mask mandate in place throughout these last several weeks. If the vaccine is failing to stop the transmission, so are the masks (at least this time around).

www.worldometers.info

Israel COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer

Israel Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.
www.worldometers.info www.worldometers.info

Incidentally there's the same issue in Hawaii. . One dose 75%, two doses 54% and a mask mandate with 98% compliance in place.

www.worldometers.info

Hawaii COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer

Hawaii COVID-19 Coronavirus update by county with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, current active cases, recoveries, historical data, trends, projections, and timeline.
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Further to this, Iceland is seeing its largest spike to date. Low natural immunity, 92% single vaxx, 73% double vaxxed yet this...her immunity is an illusion. They've also had a mask mandate now for a week so we'll get to see if it does any good there now as well (given Hawaii and Israel have had such success with masks)

www.worldometers.info

Iceland COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer

Iceland Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.
www.worldometers.info www.worldometers.info
 
Grace T. said:
Further to this, Iceland is seeing its largest spike to date. Low natural immunity, 92% single vaxx, 73% double vaxxed yet this...her immunity is an illusion. They've also had a mask mandate now for a week so we'll get to see if it does any good there now as well (given Hawaii and Israel have had such success with masks)

www.worldometers.info

Iceland COVID - Coronavirus Statistics - Worldometer

Iceland Coronavirus update with statistics and graphs: total and new cases, deaths per day, mortality and recovery rates, current active cases, recoveries, trends and timeline.
www.worldometers.info www.worldometers.info
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On the NPI side, now China and Australia are having trouble containing the Delta despite masks and very rigorous protocols
www.reuters.com

China sees highest daily figure of COVID-19 patients in current outbreak

China reported on Friday its highest daily count of new COVID-19 patients in an outbreak that began in late July, fuelled by a surge in locally transmitted infections.
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nypost.com

Australia reports record daily COVID cases

Australia recorded its highest daily record of COVID cases Saturday as the country’s most populous states reported 361 new cases of the Delta variant.
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Grace T. said:
Prediction which I admit has very weak support so far (mostly just data from Israel some of which has come under mostly justified criticism) but I’ve seen enough of the pattern so far that I’m comfortable extrapolating out: in the coming weeks it will be shown the mRNA vaccines are far less efficient in stopping illness from the delta and subsequent variants than previously believed. It could be as low as 40% but I’m guessing maybe in the 60s. They’ll drag their feet on revealing it and double up on masks (which is also stupid because they’ll be less effective too and cloth masks were already never that great). If 3 double vaxxed people in an outdoor bbq can get it from a double vaxxed person where they’re all wearing masks except to eat, no way the number is in the 80s (total of 9 attendees….4 of whom had natural immunity and none of those 4 fell ill…1 only double vaxxed not ill). Vaccines still great at protecting against serious illness and death (again in 3/4 Ill it’s just the sniffles)
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O.k. Didn't think I'd be right so quick. :p Yes, she mispoke....or did she????

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1423422301882748929
 
EvilGoalie 21 said:
No. There is going to be some sort of distribution of risk throughout a population to an agent with a given IFR. The field of epidemiology is totally predicatetotal risk of the population, the total area under the curve. But there is still a distribution. Deliberate exposure to the agent is one such mechanism and has been practiced for centuries. In ancient China they learned to distinguish smallpox infections arising from Variola minor (IFR ~ 1%) and use pus from those infections to establish immunity against the more virulent Variola major (IFR ~ 30%). That's a uniform reduction in risk.
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How do you know it's a uniform reduction in risk? Were both IFR's broken down by age groups back then too?
 
Hüsker Dü said:
The funny thing is you continuing your attempt to paint those who utilize masks as a tool to help protect themselves and others from possible infection as a religion with a “god” and that somehow those people must all have “unflappable faith” that the mask is 100% effective and will save their lives. Dad and many others have laid out the seat belt scenario multiple times yet you persist in your attempt to belittle such efforts to help being safe. You also seem to have some issue with religion as you use the construct of it to mock people’s beliefs. You worry too much about others way of life, but then again you claim to be a conservative right? You people are always sticking your nose in other people’s interests.
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When used correctly, wearing a seat belt reduces the risk of fatal injury to front seat passenger car occupants by 45%, and risk of moderate-to-critical injury by 50%. For those riding in the rear of vans and sport-utility vehicles (SUVs) during a car crash, rear seat belts are 73% better at preventing fatalities........That sounds about right.

Deaths

  • A total of 22,697 drivers and passengers in passenger vehicles died in motor vehicle crashes in 2018.2
  • More than half (range: 51%-60%) of teens (13-19 years) and adults aged 20-44 years who died in crashes in 2018 were not buckled up at the time of the crash.
hope this helps Masker Du.
 
Grace T. said:
I like to think there is some universe where this is actually true. Because a personality which can hold old Magoo espola, crazy EOTL, and classic troll Husker (not to mention the cleverness in all the wacky names) would be a) quite fearsome, and b) completely insane. If that 1 individual could do dad4 as well it would be truly a sight to behold.
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Don't panic -- It's just me here.
 
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