Bad News Thread
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I want to introduce Arinya. Amazing lady originally from Thailand who is trying to do the right thing and keep everyone safe. This was in 90 degree heat at the beach the other day. I was a life guard back in the day so I needed to help her out big time. I spoke to her and got permission to share a few health tips about this and that and she said she was confused with the "law." Poor thing didnt understand the guidance put forth and is just doing her part she says. I did tell her that it would be for own well being to take off mask 6 feet a way but she said she doesn't want delta either. She already got Jabbed twice she said. She took off mask as we were leaving and she thanked us for helping her with a thumbs up 
I remember back in the old days when our family American Dr told us to just relax and chill for 15 days so we can slow the spread. At the time he said masks are completely use less. 18 months later, and oh boy, we have AF Jets and Blackhawks landing on our streets for exercise. Espola actually thinks their looking for me and my wife. Let's see what happens. Buckle friends
Huh.
So, with a mask mandate and a 70% vaccination rate, SF has zero daily covid deaths.
Meanwhile, with no mask mandates and a 35% vaccination rate, Arkansas has about 20 daily covid deaths.
You'd almost think there is some kind of link there.
Bruddah IZ
DA
Maybe. Let's see.
State of Arkansas IFR .0072
County of San Francisco IFR .0051
Three largest counties in Arkansas with a population of 891k+ has an IFR of .0097 compared to San Francisco's 874k+ at .0051.
Apples to Apples.....
I don't think you'll be able to find a high vaccination rate city with a high IFR for current infections.
You see, the vaccine is designed to lower IFR.
You won't be able to find a place with universal masks, 80% adult Pfizer/moderna vax rate, and over 5 daily covid deaths per million people. Go look. I'll wait.
Plenty of low vax rate, mask optional places with high deaths rates, though.
Bruddah IZ
DA
Start the thread. I'll take care of the morbidity without the stories. Here is your first post. .00something. Takes all the emotion out of it.
Bruddah IZ
DA
The immune system is designed to lower IFR as well. Only better when we look at low vax to high vax areas of comparable sizes.
Funny you picked Arkansas. They have 8 deaths, not 20 for comparable population size to SF. Less than half for a population that is half as vax'd as SF if you want to link anything.
Bruddah IZ
DA
“‘Emergencies’ have always been the pretext on which the safeguards of individual liberty have eroded,” the Nobel-Prize-winning economist Friedrich Hayek once observed. “And once they are suspended it is not difficult for anyone who has assumed emergency powers to see to it that the emergency will persist.”
16 Days ago Joe said, "You're not going to get Covid if you take these vaccinations."
Stop blaming others for getting sick all the time, moo!!!
I talked with a super nice dad yesterday and all was good until..... He did not believe my wife and i were 54 and 50. He's in a rough spot physically and emotionally. Has all the shots and wears a mask at work and is not happy. I would say 289+ weight and only 5 11'. He asked us our secret and I told him, "stopped eating meat bro." The he goes, "oh man, I can;t do that" and just kind of walked away in a weird kind of way.
Stop blaming others for getting sick all the time, moo!!!
I talked with a super nice dad yesterday and all was good until..... He did not believe my wife and i were 54 and 50. He's in a rough spot physically and emotionally. Has all the shots and wears a mask at work and is not happy. I would say 289+ weight and only 5 11'. He asked us our secret and I told him, "stopped eating meat bro." The he goes, "oh man, I can;t do that" and just kind of walked away in a weird kind of way.
EvilGoalie 21
GOLD
Wasn't that the advice he gave Pinochet? It's a feature not a bug.
Ok. 0 in SF compared to 8 daily deaths in Arkansas. Or 20 in Arkansas versus 0 in SF, depending on which population size is your default.
Sounds like the mask + vaccine plan has fewer covid deaths than the no mask + no vaccine plan.
Any luck finding a highly vaccinated city with high daily deaths?
Hüsker Dü
DA
Good luck attempting to have a rational conversation with that one.
EvilGoalie 21
GOLD
Ah, see that's the thing. If you want to weaponize IFR measurements you should play by the same rules as those who are trying to get real epidemiological data. What sort of sample size do you need? What is the sampling density? What is the time period? What is the age structure of the sample population (that was likely a factor in Sweden's big up front mortality hit that Twitter Science seems to forget about for example)? Are you really doing an IFR calculation or just using cases as the denominator? Context. Here we see it starting to creep into play when you realize you can't plug 0 into the ratio.
Wow the fact you even thunk it shows what a horrible human being you are. We’re all eventually going to get it. At a minimum you’d think you’d limit your search to antivaxxers who subsequently came to acknowledge they made an error but guess that’s not you…no limiting principles.
My besties step daughter just came down with covid. Double vaxxed. Always wears a work supplies n 95 when she goes out even walking. Doesn’t fly, doesn’t do bars or indoor dining, doesn’t go to the gym anymore. Probably caught it at work. Despite everyone who fell ill being masked gave it to her double vaxxed cousin and double vaxxed uncle at an outdoor bbq where everyone was masked except eating. She and the cous in 20s had the sniffles for 4 days (wouldn’t have know if hadn’t tested for work). Uncle in his 50s more ill like the flu with fever and cough but at day 10 improving and no breathing or hospital problems. Bestie was at same bbq with her Hubbie but they were both unmasked and have natural immunity and did not come down with it, despite step daughter coming to shelter in place with them once confirmed positive.
I don't see that at all. To me, the horrible human beings in this issue are those who campaign against common sense and science for selfish or political reasons. I was thinking of nominating as my first self-induced victim DIck Ferrel, a Florida radio personality who declared the vaccine to be poisonous, and then died from covid a few weeks later.
Right Wing Radio Host, Anti-Vaxxer, and Trump Supporter Dick Ferrell Dies From COVID-19.
As the Queen songs says, “Another one bites the dust.” Dick Farrell Death – Obituary, Anti-Vaccination Florida-based radio host And Trump Supporter Dies Of Covid Dick Farrell, Newsmax Radio host and Trump supporter, has passed away due to Covid...
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If that makes me a horrible person, then just ignore what I have to say on the subject. And maybe ignore him, too, obviously.
Or you could compare the no mask high vaccinated places like in the uk v masked high vaccinated places and maybe realize the masks aren’t doing that much esp ag the delta???