Bad News Thread

[Desert Hound]

There is way more good than bad, but there should be no fear at looking at the latter.

The problem with CRT is not that they are looking and studying the past. They are currently laying blame to people currently. They are telling people if you are white, you are part of the problem even if you don't think you are. Saying that if black people think hard work is the key to getting ahead, that too is a racist point of view (read Kendi), etc.

They are teaching things like meritocracy is a racist concept.

They are categorizing people based on race.

Etc, etc.

That is where they are going off the rails.

They don't want people to think in terms of a colorblind society.

 

[Grace T.]

The problem with CRT is not that they are looking and studying the past. They are currently laying blame to people currently. They are telling people if you are white, you are part of the problem even if you don't think you are. Saying that if black people think hard work is the key to getting ahead, that too is a racist point of view (read Kendi), etc.

They are teaching things like meritocracy is a racist concept.

They are categorizing people based on race.

Etc, etc.

That is where they are going off the rails.

They don't want people to think in terms of a colorblind society.

What I find fascinating is that not only is the philosophy post modernist (traditionalists believe in order, modernists in equality of opportunity, post modernists in equity) but it resurrects that fourth part of the pyramid which since the defeat of Nazism and the discrediting of eugenics hasn’t had much traction, sitting above the post modernist corner and titled slightly up towards the 4th end at the top of the pyramid. No I’m not saying crt is Nazism anymore than I’m saying trump is franco. Further crt doesn’t believe the traits are genetically immutable (having been created through a system of oppression). Still it does define you by virtue of your genes…it’s fascinating…it’s the first time in the west this part of the pyramid is even slightly active since wwii and it seems to be moving up the pyramid as time goes on

 

[Grace T.]

France and Greece introduce mandatory vaccination for health care workers (no exceptions for previous illness). Macron says mandatory vaccination of the entire population of France is on the table

Meanwhile California has backtracked and is kicking masking back to school districts and counties. Newsom must have gotten nervous since he’s doing everything possible it seems to not only win the recall but landslide it

 

[Bruddah IZ]

I don't really care about CRT, tbh.

Extract,

He notes that the Federal Housing Administration, which was established in 1934, furthered the segregation efforts by refusing to insure mortgages in and near African-American neighborhoods — a policy known as "redlining." At the same time, the FHA was subsidizing builders who were mass-producing entire subdivisions for whites — with the requirement that none of the homes be sold to African-Americans.

A 'Forgotten History' Of How The U.S. Government Segregated America

Author Richard Rothstein says the housing programs begun under the New Deal were tantamount to a "state-sponsored system of segregation," in which people of color were purposely excluded from suburbs.

www.npr.org

tbh, everything that you posted after posting "I don't really care about CRT, tbh", says that you really do care about CRT. Reparation'$ and redlining is where CRT gets it's footing from. Like NPI's, most government interventions end up creating more systemic problems than they solve.

 

[espola]

Nazism and fascism are two different isms. Nazism is primarily based on racial theories which traditionalist fascism like Francoism does not. Trump as a populist does have some traits similar to francoism and is also firmly in the traditionalist side of the pyramid. Nazism also has some traditionalist traits but they aren’t traditionalist (religion wasn’t an important pillar, nor was restoration of traditional governance like the Kaiser but extreme nationalism or jingoism was). Nazism also had some postmodernist socialist traits including central planning of the economy, state monopoly, and the progress of history. In the philosophical pyramid it sits near the top of the pyramid on the legs between postmodernism and traditionalism while Francoism sits on the traditionalist corner slightly tilted towards postmodernism and just barely off the ground to the top of the pyramid

D-

 

[espola]

The problem with CRT is not that they are looking and studying the past. They are currently laying blame to people currently. They are telling people if you are white, you are part of the problem even if you don't think you are. Saying that if black people think hard work is the key to getting ahead, that too is a racist point of view (read Kendi), etc.

They are teaching things like meritocracy is a racist concept.

They are categorizing people based on race.

Etc, etc.

That is where they are going off the rails.

They don't want people to think in terms of a colorblind society.

Where is "CRT" doing that?

 

[Grace T.]

D-

God help anyone who is actually your student. Rather have fletcher from whiplash.

 

[watfly]

Reagan couldn't get elected today as a R. He'd stand a much better chance as a D. You just have to look at the marginalization of certain Rs, e.g. Flake or Romney or Cheney.

And I wonder if Bill could get elected as a Democrat? It seems that his stance on the border (among other things) would not be palatable for most D's.

 

[espola]

God help anyone who is actually your student. Rather have fletcher from whiplash.

Would you like me to correct your paper line by line?

 

[Grace T.]

Would you like me to correct your paper line by line?

If you have anything useful to actually add feel free. But do we always need to start with your tiresome act?

 

[espola]

And I wonder if Bill could get elected as a Democrat? It seems that his stance on the border (among other things) would not be palatable for most D's.

Bill wouldn't be faced with the same border situation today. How he would act might be like Biden -- coasting along on established practices.

 

[espola]

If you have anything useful to actually add feel free. But do we always need to start with your tiresome act?

"your tiresome act" ? Really? I've learned by now that you just can't help yourself.

 

[Grace T.]

"your tiresome act" ? Really? I've learned by now that you just can't help yourself.

So you are still dodging instead of levelling an actual critique.

 

[whatithink]

tbh, everything that you posted after posting "I don't really care about CRT, tbh", says that you really do care about CRT. Reparation'$ and redlining is where CRT gets it's footing from. Like NPI's, most government interventions end up creating more systemic problems than they solve.

You should re-read what I said. The example I gave is historical fact. Redlining happened. I don't agree with reparations, as I said. If you think recognizing historical fact which definitely contributed to the upward mobility of some Americans and not others, means I care about CRT, then you're misunderstanding my point. They are not mutually inclusive. A proponent of CRT might say they are, but they would be wrong.

 

[whatithink]

The problem with CRT is not that they are looking and studying the past. They are currently laying blame to people currently. They are telling people if you are white, you are part of the problem even if you don't think you are. Saying that if black people think hard work is the key to getting ahead, that too is a racist point of view (read Kendi), etc.

They are teaching things like meritocracy is a racist concept.

They are categorizing people based on race.

Etc, etc.

That is where they are going off the rails.

They don't want people to think in terms of a colorblind society.

As I said, I'm not really bothered by CRT and, for example, the whole idea of reparations (laying the blame to people currently) is a nonsense to me. I don't see the concepts you layout being taught to my kids, and I can't speak to others. I agree that we should be colorblind, that's the right approach.

 

[Grace T.]

As I said, I'm not really bothered by CRT and, for example, the whole idea of reparations (laying the blame to people currently) is a nonsense to me. I don't see the concepts you layout being taught to my kids, and I can't speak to others. I agree that we should be colorblind, that's the right approach.

If you believe in "colorblindness" then you fundamentally disagree with what those pushing CRT (and their associated fellow traveler philosophies, whatever wants to call them these days) are saying. They'd say your colorblindness is actually racism, because you are ignoring certain historical and systemic systems of oppression that oppress people of color. Colorblindness merely serves as a way for white people to get others to ignore the oppression of people of color because if we can't see color, we can't acknowledge the grievances. MLK/colorblindness is a modernist principle of equality. The post modernists CRT & others want to see race because that's the only way to tear down the system of oppression and create equity (which is different than equality). They are 2 fundamentally different ways of viewing the world.

 

[espola]

So you are still dodging instead of levelling an actual critique.

Saging Naziism is not fascism because it is not Francoism is like saying blue is not a color because it is not red.

 

[Hüsker Dü]

The problem with CRT is not that they are looking and studying the past. They are currently laying blame to people currently. They are telling people if you are white, you are part of the problem even if you don't think you are. Saying that if black people think hard work is the key to getting ahead, that too is a racist point of view (read Kendi), etc.

They are teaching things like meritocracy is a racist concept.

They are categorizing people based on race.

Etc, etc.

That is where they are going off the rails.

They don't want people to think in terms of a colorblind society.

Again you display your lack of comprehension concerning CRT.

 

[espola]

You should re-read what I said. The example I gave is historical fact. Redlining happened. I don't agree with reparations, as I said. If you think recognizing historical fact which definitely contributed to the upward mobility of some Americans and not others, means I care about CRT, then you're misunderstanding my point. They are not mutually inclusive. A proponent of CRT might say they are, but they would be wrong.

Who are the proponents of CRT?

 

[Hüsker Dü]

Naziism/fascism is alive and well in America, and t is the current figurehead.

As for the rest: C- drivel.

The hybrid is now simply referred to as “trumpism”.

 

[Grace T.]

Saging Naziism is not fascism because it is not Francoism is like saying blue is not a color because it is not red.

As usual, you pull a Magoo and the point goes sailing right past you. Nazism is to fascism as fuchsia is to red. It has some elements of red but also some elements of purple and pink too.