Bad News Thread

watfly said:
You may be right about the internment camps, my recollection from nearly 40 years ago is very hazy. If youre ever on your way to Bishop or Mammoth, I highly recommend stopping at Manzanar. Its hard to believe that hapoened in our backyard. There is also a great documentary on the internees that snuck out of camp to fish the local creeks for trout.
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Famous nature photographer Ansel Adams was assigned to take pictures at Manzanar. The Library of Congress has a display of them online here --

Search Results: "" - Prints & Photographs Online Catalog (Library of Congress)

The Prints and Photographs Online Catalog (PPOC) contains catalog records and digital images representing a rich cross-section of still pictures held by the Prints & Photographs Division and, in some cases, other units of the...
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Adams published a book of the photographs available on Amazon or city libraries --

https://sandiego.bibliocommons.com/item/show/683038161
 
espola said:
Dr. McIntosh's paper is over 30 years old. Is that what you mean by CRT, in the current time frame?

Who is the "they" that wants to advance the "what" in which schools?
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You’re welcome to post a coherent definition if whatever you believe CRT means in a schools context.

So far, the winning definition seems to be “making sure those white kids learn to check their privilege”. If you have a better definition, get it out there.
 
dad4 said:
You’re welcome to post a coherent definition if whatever you believe CRT means in a schools context.

So far, the winning definition seems to be “making sure those white kids learn to check their privilege”. If you have a better definition, get it out there.
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If that is the definition you are working with, I can understand why you are upset.

The original authors of studies of CRT define it more like a study of how centuries of institutionalized racism are still remnant in current, laws, social norms, and economic interests.
 
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Dr. F is moving the goal posts again and lying through his teeth again. I warned all of you this guy was up to no good and lies to make a living.
Fauci shifts herd immunity goalposts, now says as much as 90% may be needed to halt coronavirus
Fauci indicated that he based his guidance on public polling
 
espola said:
If that is the definition you are working with, I can understand why you are upset.

The original authors of studies of CRT define it more like a study of how centuries of institutionalized racism are still remnant in current, laws, social norms, and economic interests.
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Learning how we got where we are. Not anything too earth shattering, unless of course it makes one self-conscious.
 
espola said:
Tucker Carlson laughs this off with "He's not just a pig. He's stupid."

Tucker's stupid pig has degrees or certificates from Princeton, Columbia, MIT, Naval War College, and Army Airborne School.
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The age of intentional ignorance and the demeaning of knowledge. They beat on cops, demonize judges and belittle military leaders. Law and order?
 
espola said:
Famous nature photographer Ansel Adams was assigned to take pictures at Manzanar. The Library of Congress has a display of them online here --

Search Results: "" - Prints & Photographs Online Catalog (Library of Congress)

The Prints and Photographs Online Catalog (PPOC) contains catalog records and digital images representing a rich cross-section of still pictures held by the Prints & Photographs Division and, in some cases, other units of the...
www.loc.gov www.loc.gov

Adams published a book of the photographs available on Amazon or city libraries --

https://sandiego.bibliocommons.com/item/show/683038161
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My personal soccer connection to Manzanar --

Back in '76, I was talked into helping coach a rec soccer team in Poway. I was still in the Navy stationed at Miramar and living in Poway. My direct supervisor also lived in Poway and his wife was involved in the new Poway Youth Soccer League, at that time only a rec league. My boss told me that it would be ok with him if I left work early a couple of days a week for practice and that he could juggle the duty roster so that I would be free to make all the Saturday games. I was assigned as an assistant to a coach who had immigrated from Holland as a boy, coaching a Division 5 boys team. One of the players was a Japanese boy, who I will call J. F. At the end of the season, we had our team party at the F. home in North Poway (near Painted Rock Elementary School, for those who know Poway). Close to the end of the season, my Navy enlistment ran out and I declined the opportunity to coach the same team the next year since I little time for it because I was working a real job then with paid overtime and attending SDSU nights on the GI Bill.

In 1985, when I started dating my current wife, she had friends who had season tickets to the Padres, really good seats a few rows back behind home plate. On occasion, when they weren't going to games, they let us use their tickets. I was surprised to find out that J.F.'s family had season tickets in the row in front of us, so we renewed an old friendship. It was then that I found out that Mrs. F. had been interned at Manzanar when she was a child. I had driven through the remnants of the camp on my way to or from ski trips at Mammoth, but that was all I knew about it. She had a lot more to say about it.
 
espola said:
If that is the definition you are working with, I can understand why you are upset.

The original authors of studies of CRT define it more like a study of how centuries of institutionalized racism are still remnant in current, laws, social norms, and economic interests.
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If you want words from the original authors, I think pup provided some. They did not do much to win me over.

It makes more sense to me to do a better job teaching the history of slavery and segregation, both domestic and internationally.

But, when your middle and high school classes begin arguing about current situations and policies, then you need a real diversity of opinion. Otherwise, you have ceased to educate and you have moved into the realm of indoctrination.
 
dad4 said:
If you want words from the original authors, I think pup provided some. They did not do much to win me over.

It makes more sense to me to do a better job teaching the history of slavery and segregation, both domestic and internationally.

But, when your middle and high school classes begin arguing about current situations and policies, then you need a real diversity of opinion. Otherwise, you have ceased to educate and you have moved into the realm of indoctrination.
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I'm dying to read what Mr. Marx response will be......lol! If you add "spiritual" before realm, then you can go down the rabbit hole and see the truth of Good vs Evil. Happy Sunday Dad of 4 and God Bless you and Espola and his wife of some 35 years :) Q. Do you think Messy and EOTL were fake accounts that others had passwords to? I think Espola has or had more than one, that's MOO. I know of a few other fake accounts from the past that dadhats would use to mess with me. I can look back and read all the BS and actually know who the users are now. I have a gift. I was up against a very stuck up and snobby group of dads who think their better then the rest of us and I can't stand people who walk around like that. Jealousy ran deep a few years ago and people did not like me so they came on here to take me on and I took them on back. July 3rd is my three year welcome back date. I was forbidden to come here to post for 4 years from 2014-2018 because of my word to the Docs of certain clubs that had rules on SM platforms that basically said, STFU or your kid will be suspended or worse, kicked off the team if you open your pie hole on SM. I have decided to end my time here July 3rd for the sake of peace. I know some will be super happy to hear that news. Others will think I'm full of poop and will come back on July 4th with some sort of message of hope of freedom someday. Others will hope I leave for the sake of my dd future in the sport while still others will miss me. Anyway, their is only two real reasons I want and will leave after July 3rd, 2021. Stay tune you crazy looney tunes.....bahhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhaaaabbbbbbahhhhhhhhaaaaaa!!!!!
 
dad4 said:
If you want words from the original authors, I think pup provided some. They did not do much to win me over.

It makes more sense to me to do a better job teaching the history of slavery and segregation, both domestic and internationally.

But, when your middle and high school classes begin arguing about current situations and policies, then you need a real diversity of opinion. Otherwise, you have ceased to educate and you have moved into the realm of indoctrination.
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I have no idea what that means.
 
espola said:
I have no idea what that means.
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It just means any decent current events discussion needs a mix of conservative and liberal voices.

"Todays political and social system is the result of historic racism" is a perfectly valid liberal point. It can be the start of a good discussion, if opposing viewpoints are included and welcomed.

If other viewpoints are discouraged, it can be the signal that warns others to stay quiet, for fear of being called racist.
 
dad4 said:
It just means any decent current events discussion needs a mix of conservative and liberal voices.

"Todays political and social system is the result of historic racism" is a perfectly valid liberal point. It can be the start of a good discussion, if opposing viewpoints are included and welcomed.

If other viewpoints are discouraged, it can be the signal that warns others to stay quiet, for fear of being called racist.
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What would you say in opposition to that point?
 
dad4 said:
It just means any decent current events discussion needs a mix of conservative and liberal voices.

"Todays political and social system is the result of historic racism" is a perfectly valid liberal point. It can be the start of a good discussion, if opposing viewpoints are included and welcomed.

If other viewpoints are discouraged, it can be the signal that warns others to stay quiet, for fear of being called racist.
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Will there be a fact checker on site?
 
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