Bad News Thread

Desert Hound said:
That is your standard response.

You support something that you seem to have done very little research on. I don't refer reading a news article here and there that says CRT is good. Do some actual research to see what the actual proponents advocate. Go see then how that actually translates into what they are doing.

Clearly you have not. And yet you seem to support CRT.

One shouldn't support or oppose something they have not actually bothered to learn about.
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You have demonstrated no grasp of the theory nor it’s tenets. Actually quite the opposite. I’m quite sure E isn’t looking to you for information on CRT, more he would like to understand what your understanding of it is. Why does it concern you so much?
 
Mask story. Here in San Diego. You locals prob know better but I estimate maybe only 1/4 people outside still wearing masks. Went to dinner in old town. 1/3 of the restaurants still shuttered including my old favorite the cosmopolitan.

we went to the Reyes which is a total tourist trap but the drinks are decent and the tortillas home made. They are still at reduced capacity (not sure if it’s the labor or city restrictions but seating is all outdoors). They sat a young couple in their 20s right next to us (there’s a small fence between the tables but barely 6 feet apart with the tables parallel to each other). Both of them were wearing masks even though it’s outdoors. They freaked out being sat so close to us and left (after waiting at least an hour for the table) when they were told it would be another 20 for another 2 top. Totally about the fear.
 
Grace T. said:
They sat a young couple in their 20s right next to us (there’s a small fence between the tables but barely 6 feet apart with the tables parallel to each other). Both of them were wearing masks even though it’s outdoors. They freaked out being sat so close to us and left (after waiting at least an hour for the table) when they were told it would be another 20 for another 2 top. Totally about the fear.
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I'd wager they are visiting from the Bay Area.
 
So we were in New Mexico last week for an ID camp.

Driving into Alb just outside the city there is a casino. Big lights say only open to NM residents. I thought that strange.

Later we had issues with our hotel reservation. Finally found a place last minute. They would only accept people from outside of NM. I found that strange.

And finally I have seen it before but I always find it strange. I was up early getting coffee before dropping the DD off at UNM. Some lady (mid 30s?) was out running with her dog. Had her mask on. Streets had barely any traffic and not a soul to be seen walking. It was 6am or so.

One thing that wasn't strange? This place http://www.frontierrestaurant.com/

Killer food. Inexpensive. Excellent green chile. If you like Mexican food and in particular NM style Mexican food, it is hard to beat this place.
 
Desert Hound said:
I agree. Those 20yr olds are in about the lowest risk category one can be in. They have no risk. And yet due to their ignorance they are scared and wear a mask.

If only they understood data.
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“no risk”? There’s a touch of that proud ignorance right there. 20 year olds already have a hard time thinking about anyone but themselves, kinda like you.
 
Hüsker Dü said:
“no risk”? There’s a touch of that proud ignorance right there. 20 year olds already have a hard time thinking about anyone but themselves, kinda like you.
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You do the math.
967 people have died from covid ages 15-24 out of 600k.

Or 0.16% of all deaths.

They have no risk from covid.
 
Grace T. said:
Mask story. Here in San Diego. You locals prob know better but I estimate maybe only 1/4 people outside still wearing masks. Went to dinner in old town. 1/3 of the restaurants still shuttered including my old favorite the cosmopolitan.
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I'd estimate 10% or less in the areas I frequent (I suspect that if I went to North Park mask wearing would be higher). In the last week I haven't seen a business that is still requiring masks. I've stopped carrying. I do still see people driving solo wearing a mask? All the beach businesses are slammed and I haven't noticed any capacity restrictions on restaurants. It seems for the most part that its business as usual, except unfortunately for those businesses that didn't make it.
 
Desert Hound said:
You do the math.
967 people have died from covid ages 15-24 out of 600k.

Or 0.16% of all deaths.

They have no risk from covid.
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More math. 2,380 deaths in 18-29 age group. US population in this age group >$45 million. That's 0.005% over the course of the pandemic. Now with vaccines the risk is substantially lower, effectively zero. I suspect the risk of dying from gun violence, car accident or getting food poisoning at the restaurant are higher.
 
watfly said:
More math. 2,380 deaths in 18-29 age group. US population in this age group >$45 million. That's 0.005% over the course of the pandemic. Now with vaccines the risk is substantially lower, effectively zero. I suspect the risk of dying from gun violence, car accident or getting food poisoning at the restaurant are higher.
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Exactly.
 
Unfortunately this thing looks like it's not yet quite over and we still have some time to go. It means a few things:

-The UK, because of it's increasing numbers, is probably going to be the first out of it.
-Israel reinstated its mask mandate for the vaccinated. We have a huge fight coming here in the United States and it's not just over masks. The issues include mandatory vaccinations, vaccination of children in the fall, reinstalling mask mandates (La County has made already a "recommendation" for use indoors) and shutting down the restaurants/bars and maybe even schools again. What's stupid is the states that least need the restrictions will likely be the most heavy handed, and even with the UK's rising numbers deaths and hospitalizations have been largely decoupled from cases. But make no mistake, in some form or other, with the most severe measures directed at the children, the are going to try and restrict things in California again. It's not over yet.
-India seeded an outbreak in the UK and the UK has in turn seeded an outbreak in parts of Europe. Russia is also having an outbreak, so having the Euro is a full stadium in St. Petersburg is going to cause some issues, particularly since this variant is more contagious outdoors.
-The third world is in for an utterly devastating wave and whatever has been holding things back in Asia and Africa is no longer holding things back. With the low rates of vaccination, in the third world we could really see horrible things to come as already poor hospital systems get overwhelmed.
-the major western vaccines seem to do a really good job at preventing hospitalizations and deaths still.

 
Grace T. said:
-the major western vaccines seem to do a really good job at preventing hospitalizations and deaths still.
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This is key.

The other key is, it seems that while the D variant spreads easier, it is a weaker variant health wise.


- Looking at India. On paper the variant should have ripped through the country. And yet we see the rise and the fall in infections/deaths. The country as a whole still has a extremely low deaths per million. Also as it relates to the virus a very low vaccinated rate. One would think that would be a recipe for disaster. It appears not to be the case.

- The UK has seen a rise in cases since the beginning of June. So we are about a month in. In the next week or 2 if this variant is an issue it will present itself as such in the stats. So we will know rather soon.

- I suspect that we will be fine due to the following factors. A large percentage of our population has been exposed to the virus. We also have a large percentage of people vaccinated.

- You are right that governments will try to reimpose restrictions. They will likely overreact again.

Either way...with the UK a month into rising infections we will know extremely soon if the variant is an issue or not.
 
Desert Hound said:
This is key.

The other key is, it seems that while the D variant spreads easier, it is a weaker variant health wise.


- Looking at India. On paper the variant should have ripped through the country. And yet we see the rise and the fall in infections/deaths. The country as a whole still has a extremely low deaths per million. Also as it relates to the virus a very low vaccinated rate. One would think that would be a recipe for disaster. It appears not to be the case.

- The UK has seen a rise in cases since the beginning of June. So we are about a month in. In the next week or 2 if this variant is an issue it will present itself as such in the stats. So we will know rather soon.

- I suspect that we will be fine due to the following factors. A large percentage of our population has been exposed to the virus. We also have a large percentage of people vaccinated.

- You are right that governments will try to reimpose restrictions. They will likely overreact again.

Either way...with the UK a month into rising infections we will know extremely soon if the variant is an issue or not.
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Great work Hound. I will now call you, "Dr Q" medicine man :) The Marx Brothers are full of hate dude and have their backs against the wall of hate. No where to run and no where to hide. They too will come around later. They need more humble pie eat :)

 
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