Bad News Thread

The concern with schools is more about kid to kid than kid to teacher transmission.

If you refuse to think about long transmission chains and overall viral prevalence in the community, then it is not going to make sense to you.
Then maybe you can help me understand why UTLA is mandating anything to protect people outside of those they represent?
 
Someone needs to have this discussion with the UTLA who is mandating masks for ALL students both INDOORS and OUTDOORS while on campus. Funny, as a union representing educators they aren’t really following the science are they? So what exactly are they following?????

Shouldn’t they MANDATE that ALL teachers and staff are VACCINATED then there wouldn’t be a need for the children to wear masks.

Hope ALL classrooms have A/C cause it’s gonna be a warm Fall and masks don’t really help keep you cool.
LA rule makers have an addiction to masks, and the UTLA an addiction to power. Masks are form over substance. Their mentality is masks are better than vaccines, because you can see a mask whereas you can't see a vaccine. So they push masks so it "looks" like they're doing something to fight Covid. Make the teachers get a vaccine and lets move on like most of the rest of the country and population.

It is cruel to make kids wear masks all school day. Unfortunately, some adults are so overcome by their own fear that they don't understand that. Again the height of selfishness. The community spread angle is a red herring pushed by fear mongering adults. Spread is actually less in schools than in the general public. Combine this with the fact that current overall transmission rates are so low that there is no compelling reason for kids to wear masks in school.


"Yeah but", what about the Delta variant. Hear is how I feel about the Delta variant.

Remember the goal was never to eliminate Covid, the goal was always to not overwhelm our health care system. Despite the "sky is falling" predictions from a few (typically the same ones that were wrong in the past), with the level of vaccinations we're in no risk of overwhelming our hospitals with Covid patients.
 
LA rule makers have an addiction to masks, and the UTLA an addiction to power. Masks are form over substance. Their mentality is masks are better than vaccines, because you can see a mask whereas you can't see a vaccine. So they push masks so it "looks" like they're doing something to fight Covid. Make the teachers get a vaccine and lets move on like most of the rest of the country and population.

It is cruel to make kids wear masks all school day. Unfortunately, some adults are so overcome by their own fear that they don't understand that. Again the height of selfishness. The community spread angle is a red herring pushed by fear mongering adults. Spread is actually less in schools than in the general public. Combine this with the fact that current overall transmission rates are so low that there is no compelling reason for kids to wear masks in school.


"Yeah but", what about the Delta variant. Hear is how I feel about the Delta variant.

Remember the goal was never to eliminate Covid, the goal was always to not overwhelm our health care system. Despite the "sky is falling" predictions from a few (typically the same ones that were wrong in the past), with the level of vaccinations we're in no risk of overwhelming our hospitals with Covid patients.
We impose rules on kids because we can, not because it makes the most sense.

A vaccine mandate for 40+ would do far more than a vaccine mandate for 12-18. And, if we old folks would all get our shots, there would be less reason to talk about covid in schools.
 
LA rule makers have an addiction to masks, and the UTLA an addiction to power. Masks are form over substance. Their mentality is masks are better than vaccines, because you can see a mask whereas you can't see a vaccine. So they push masks so it "looks" like they're doing something to fight Covid. Make the teachers get a vaccine and lets move on like most of the rest of the country and population.

It is cruel to make kids wear masks all school day. Unfortunately, some adults are so overcome by their own fear that they don't understand that. Again the height of selfishness. The community spread angle is a red herring pushed by fear mongering adults. Spread is actually less in schools than in the general public. Combine this with the fact that current overall transmission rates are so low that there is no compelling reason for kids to wear masks in school.


"Yeah but", what about the Delta variant. Hear is how I feel about the Delta variant.

Remember the goal was never to eliminate Covid, the goal was always to not overwhelm our health care system. Despite the "sky is falling" predictions from a few (typically the same ones that were wrong in the past), with the level of vaccinations we're in no risk of overwhelming our hospitals with Covid patients.
I seem to recall the “More contagious, Deadlier variant” line being used a few times over the last 18 months.
 
We impose rules on kids because we can, not because it makes the most sense.

A vaccine mandate for 40+ would do far more than a vaccine mandate for 12-18. And, if we old folks would all get our shots, there would be less reason to talk about covid in schools.
That’s called abuse of power.
 
LA rule makers have an addiction to masks, and the UTLA an addiction to power. Masks are form over substance. Their mentality is masks are better than vaccines, because you can see a mask whereas you can't see a vaccine. So they push masks so it "looks" like they're doing something to fight Covid. Make the teachers get a vaccine and lets move on like most of the rest of the country and population.

It is cruel to make kids wear masks all school day. Unfortunately, some adults are so overcome by their own fear that they don't understand that. Again the height of selfishness. The community spread angle is a red herring pushed by fear mongering adults. Spread is actually less in schools than in the general public. Combine this with the fact that current overall transmission rates are so low that there is no compelling reason for kids to wear masks in school.


"Yeah but", what about the Delta variant. Hear is how I feel about the Delta variant.

Remember the goal was never to eliminate Covid, the goal was always to not overwhelm our health care system. Despite the "sky is falling" predictions from a few (typically the same ones that were wrong in the past), with the level of vaccinations we're in no risk of overwhelming our hospitals with Covid patients.

I thought the goal was to limit as much as possible deaths due to covid.
 
We impose rules on kids because we can, not because it makes the most sense.

A vaccine mandate for 40+ would do far more than a vaccine mandate for 12-18. And, if we old folks would all get our shots, there would be less reason to talk about covid in schools.
It used to be a community core value to put children first. Now it seems children need their own lobby because adult lobbies are putting their own interests first over our children. Not how and when this happened, but its troubling.
 
Decent article on base rate errors.

It treats overall exposure rate as exogenous, so take the charts with a grain of salt. The article is explicitly ignoring the possiblity that higher vaccine rates mean there is less virus floating around.
Just like you've been explicitly ignoring the virus history and statistics of the last 50 years plus AND, the PCR test the only test for genetic sequencing and not the actual presence of the virus.
 
The concern with schools is more about kid to kid than kid to teacher transmission.

If you refuse to think about long transmission chains and overall viral prevalence in the community, then it is not going to make sense to you.
Makes even less sense when you explicitly ignore virus transmission over the past 50 years.
 
We impose rules on kids because we can, not because it makes the most sense.

A vaccine mandate for 40+ would do far more than a vaccine mandate for 12-18. And, if we old folks would all get our shots, there would be less reason to talk about covid in schools.
If you stopped explicitly ignoring the past 50 years of virus history you might retain some credibility here. At this point you're just a cherry picker.
 
Not too different from cities which reserve 95 acres for golf, and 45 acres for all of youth sports put together.
What does that have to do with abuse of power? Or the topic of the conversation period? You gonna argue the homeless situation in CA is do in large part to a lack of housing?
 
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