kickingandscreaming
PREMIER
Next level.
Bad News Thread
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Chelsea dad g09
SILVER
Wearing unneeded masks is not normal behavior.
Desert Hound
DA
You forget. Just a few weeks ago he admitted he had a phobia about the whole thing.
Phobia? Religion? You won't convince either.
Desert Hound
DA
“We fail to find that shelter-in-place policies saved lives,” the authors report. Indeed, they conclude that in the weeks following the implementation of these policies, excess mortality actually increases—even though it had typically been declining before the orders took effect. And across all countries, the study finds that a one-week increase in the length of stay-at-home policies corresponds with 2.7 more excess deaths per 100,000 people.
The lockdowns simply didn’t work.
fee.org
The lockdowns simply didn’t work.
We Just Got Even More Proof that Stay-At-Home Orders Lethally Backfired
There is tremendous resistance to acknowledging the fact that the sacrifice we all, to varying extents, endured evidently accomplished nothing—and may have even left us worse off. But this study makes it difficult to deny.
fee.org
texanincali
SILVER ELITE
I really appreciate the way you post and I admire that you stay true to your convictions, but your statement above is literally the definition of virtue signaling.
It is entirely contradictory to your stance of “if we can avoid xxx amount of deaths.” I’ve attempted to engage you and others before on masks because I am confused as to the sudden need.
What confuses me is why you and others haven’t made a stance for masks if they can save xxx amount of flu deaths. I am confused how our experts can just now come to the conclusion that masks prevent or even drastically reduce the spread of any virus when they have been around for decades. I am confused as to why these experts haven’t been called out for being complicit in past deaths caused by viruses that could have been prevented by a simple piece of cloth over a nose and mouth.
I don’t know the reason you and people that share your belief have chosen this virus to make a stand on. In a world where we like to say “if we can save just one life...”, why is it acceptable to watch people die every year from something that is supposedly preventable.
It simply doesn’t add up and points to virtue signaling if for no other reason that this seems to be the only virus we try and save people from.
texanincali
SILVER ELITE
I promise, I’m not coming after you, but I can’t let this go.
Slavery was a social norm in parts of the world, genitalia mutilation is a social norm in parts of the world..:there are/have been many social norms that just aren’t right. Making decisions around whether or not you will be ridiculed, chastised or singled out is nothing more than a fear of not fitting in.
If I went to a tournament in Phoenix and there was a sideline full of people wearing jackets in the 115 degree heat, I am not putting on a jacket. It’s not me that has the problem, it’s the idiots with the jackets on.
Social norms change and social norms can be widely held or only held in much smaller groups. The biggest issue we face today is more and more people are giving in to the supposed norms of the smaller factions of groups and thought. It’s why we change policy based on such small percentages of people and their specific social norm.
Desert Hound
DA
It is why people have been so willing to go along with so many bad things in the past. They don't want to stand out or be singled out.
I have a friend who isn't worried about the virus but will wear a mask if she sees others doing it. I tell her why? There is no mandate, you don't need to wear one. Her response? Well some of those people wearing a mask might get mad and say something to me.
My response? So you are going to wear a mask you don't need and is not required because some people you don't know might not like it?
Screw that mindset.
Any of you ever work in an office with the honor system candy box? The franchise owner would come in on Fridays to collect his cash in one of the offices I used to run. 20 sales reps!!! However, dude told me he barley broke even in our office. I told him not to put it next to the coke machine. He said, "why?" I said because I think good people pay you a good donation but then the bad people steal the coins to buy them a free coke. I caught one of my salesman doing it and he said he would pay it back. Ya right!!!!
Not crush bro. However, it has finally taken it's toll on my soul from the trolls. I know people who hate me so much all because I take a stand.
<why the experts didn’t recommend masks 5 years ago.>
From what I can tell, masks work pretty well at preventing me from breathing directly into the air that you breathe in. Masks work considerably less well as a filter, unless you go for the N95 type.
Because of this, the person protected by the mask is not the person wearing the mask. It’s the person in front of the person wearing the mask.
This makes masks hard to study. It’s easy enough to put masks on half your nurses, and then measure the rate of respiratory disease amongst them. This measures the ability of the mask to protect the wearer. Years ago, they ran several of these studies and found out that masks are not great at protecting the wearer. We ran our studies and found out that masks are only slightly effective against flu. Case closed. Time to put up the hand washing posters, because the hand washing studies were much more impressive.
This kind of stalled research on masks. We thought we knew the answer, and we were wrong. (Or half wrong. We were right about hand washing.)
I’m not really a save one life kind of person. I’m more of a save 100,000 lives kind of person. My opinion on masks this fall depends on whether Delta is likely to cause 10,000 or 100,000 deaths. If it is 10,000, do what you like. If it is 100,000, then bring out the masks this fall. If it is a million, then close down high risk indoor businesses.
You are seriously comparing a cloth mask to genital mutilation and slavery?
Really? Do I read the above paragraph correctly? I am supposed to think about genital mutilation and slavery, and use those thoughts to draw some conclusion about the social conventions around masks? Do you want to include cannibalism in that list as well? It’s also one of those social norms we have moved beyond.
Good grief. I thought we were having a rational discussion here.
The rational cow left the barn months ago.
texanincali
SILVER ELITE
I’m not comparing the two - simply stating they could be considered social norms.
You brought up social norm as a reason to do or not do something.
kickingandscreaming
PREMIER
I was the same way the first few days. I'm over it, now. If a place doesn't require me (vaccinated) to wear a mask, I don't. So far, I haven't noticed anyone giving me the evil eye and no one has said anything that I have heard.
kickingandscreaming
PREMIER
Without her mask?
Yes, putting on a mask is a social norm on par with removing a hat. It is not a social norm on par with clitorectomy.
Espola mentioned a rational cow. I’m going to go see if I can find it. Perhaps the two of us can have a nice discussion.