Bad News Thread

Grace T. said:
From the Fauci email (see articles above) it's pretty clear Trump was being encouraged in that belief by Fauci.

You yourself have acknowledged seasonality is a big factor. Given the panic (which created self imposed distancing measures), the variant at the time, and seasonality, it was unlikely to have been particularly bad or moved things up any time prior to the fall of 2020. One of your mistaken beliefs is that restrictive measures are possible in perpetuity. They should have been saved for moments when the hospital systems were in fact in danger of collapse.

You are fine to argue that normal errors occur during a crisis and that they are avoidable....but that's pretty hard to reconcile with the notion that we should also just give up our own thinking and defer to the experts making these errors.
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I don't mind people asking "why did it take CDC so long to recommend going outside?".

I find it helpful when people say "here are five respected studies about the risks of indoor air. Maybe we should change the rules."

I object when people say "the CDC has no credibility. I will do whatever I want.".

Most of the criticism here falls into that self indulgent third bucket.
 
dad4 said:
I don't mind people asking "why did it take CDC so long to recommend going outside?".

I find it helpful when people say "here are five respected studies about the risks of indoor air. Maybe we should change the rules."

I object when people say "the CDC has no credibility. I will do whatever I want.".

Most of the criticism here falls into that self indulgent third bucket.
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No, and that's where you have always fundamentally misunderstood things. The proper framing is: "The CDC has torched its credibility. We need to think through things and question what the experts are telling us." Otherwise you get the list of experts failures including the Iraq war, the 2008 financial crisis, and the rona. What's really funny is the experts and science may have created this mess to begin with, and you want us to blindly trust them notwithstanding that.
 
Today's mask survey --

At Albertson's pharmacy, the staff was all masked, and none of the customers were except the family (mom and two kids) signing up for vaccinations. At Dollar Tree, the staff was masked and customers were not. At the Alpine LIbrary, masks were required even for those vaccinated because it is designated as one of the County's Cool Zones. I pulled the mask out of my back pocket to comply, but one of the ear loops broke so I had to go back to the car to get a new one. At Walmart, the staff was all masked except for the guy in the doorway leading back to the auto service department, and the customers were divided.

My wife says I should always wear a mask when out in public even though I am vaccinated because I am doubly compromised.
 
Grace T. said:
No, and that's where you have always fundamentally misunderstood things. The proper framing is: "The CDC has torched its credibility. We need to think through things and question what the experts are telling us." Otherwise you get the list of experts failures including the Iraq war, the 2008 financial crisis, and the rona. What's really funny is the experts and science may have created this mess to begin with, and you want us to blindly trust them notwithstanding that.
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Is this what you meant by your more aggressive persona?
 
espola said:
Today's mask survey --

At Albertson's pharmacy, the staff was all masked, and none of the customers were except the family (mom and two kids) signing up for vaccinations. At Dollar Tree, the staff was masked and customers were not. At the Alpine LIbrary, masks were required even for those vaccinated because it is designated as one of the County's Cool Zones. I pulled the mask out of my back pocket to comply, but one of the ear loops broke so I had to go back to the car to get a new one. At Walmart, the staff was all masked except for the guy in the doorway leading back to the auto service department, and the customers were divided.

My wife says I should always wear a mask when out in public even though I am vaccinated because I am doubly compromised.
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WalMart up here over 95% still masked.

It felt weird to be the only one without one, so I put mine back on.
 
Grace T. said:
At least in Los Angeles it seems the way things are shaking up so far is the vaccinated will not need to wear a mask but the unvaccinated (including kids too young for the vaccine) will. Still nothing decided yet though.
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Those wanting in class higher education may need to vaccinate or be relegated to zoom classes.
 
espola said:
If wearing masks in public is "virtue signaling" (as suggested by an earlier poster), that is action without talking.
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I am in Whole Foods this weekend. I estimate 80-90% of the people are wearing masks. In SC County, the % of 12 year-old plus who aren't fully vaccinated is under 19% and likely considerably less where I am. I didn't wear my mask and didn't notice anyone disapproving. This morning I am riding my bike out on a wide gravel service road trail. I see 7 "sets" of 1 or 2 people walking over a 15-minute interval of riding. 4 sets had masks on, and another that had a person that put on a mask as I approached. Then it hit me. Occam's razor. It's fear. That's all it is, fear. It's what drove many to willingly sacrifice their/our children's well-being when science didn't support the actions taken. Science was fine when it supported their fears, but not so much now.
 
Grace T. said:
So, in the end, virtue signalling.
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What? It is not virtue signaling. It is simply basic manners. If you walk into a room and everyone has removed their hat, you remove your hat.

You don't lecture them about why removal of hats is not necessary. You just take off your hat, because that is the social norm.

I wore my mask at WalMart because that was the norm. That is all.

I skipped my mask at practice, because we all are vaccinated and that was the norm there.
 
dad4 said:
What? It is not virtue signaling. It is simply basic manners. If you walk into a room and everyone has removed their hat, you remove your hat.

You don't lecture them about why removal of hats is not necessary. You just take off your hat, because that is the social norm.

I wore my mask at WalMart because that was the norm. That is all.

I skipped my mask at practice, because we all are vaccinated and that was the norm there.
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As our teachers used to say: “if everyone jumped off the cliff would you???” Come on...surely you’ve used that one. :cool:
 
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