Quick point of order, it’s not a “law” it’s a mandate. There is a difference.
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Bruddah IZ
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Coo Coo MagooI don't get where all the emotion comes from about vaccine passports. Am I the only one old enough to remember the yellow vaccine cards that were required for entry (or even visa applications) to much of the world? Aren't kids still required to show proof of up-to-date immunizations in order to attend public schools?
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I told a lady that yesterday and she said, ""well sir, rules and mandates were made to follow and are for your own safety and my staffs safety. She is keeping mask requirement even after June 15th. Next week will be interesting yo say the least.
Bruddah IZ
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Were they PCR testing back then?I don't get where all the emotion comes from about vaccine passports. Am I the only one old enough to remember the yellow vaccine cards that were required for entry (or even visa applications) to much of the world? Aren't kids still required to show proof of up-to-date immunizations in order to attend public schools?
School & Childcare Requirements for Immunizations :: Public Health :: Contra Costa Health Services
Find out what vaccines are recommended for you and your family.
Another way to look at this is that the cruise lines assure all their fellow cruisers have been vaccinated and any that show positive tests will be kept away from the others, thus avoiding the cruise-ship virtual prisons we saw early last year. Does that positive outweigh the negative of potentially being locked for a few days? The answer is for every customer to answer on his own.
kickingandscreaming
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If it's her place of business, shouldn't that be her right to do so?
Apples and oranges, but you know that.I don't get where all the emotion comes from about vaccine passports. Am I the only one old enough to remember the yellow vaccine cards that were required for entry (or even visa applications) to much of the world? Aren't kids still required to show proof of up-to-date immunizations in order to attend public schools?
School & Childcare Requirements for Immunizations :: Public Health :: Contra Costa Health Services
Find out what vaccines are recommended for you and your family.
If a private business wants to see my vaccine card, I have the choice whether to give them my business. I suspect if its a concert I really wanted to go to I would gladly show my vaccine card. In other cases, I'm probably taking my business elsewhere.
We will not require our customers to show a vaccine card, because its none of our f'ing business. This is decision that took less than a couple seconds to make.
There is this dangerous trend of the "infantilization" of adults (this is particularly distasteful when its done to minorities). IMO, requiring vaccine cards instead of using the honor system is an example of this.
People being people.....such people who don't trust the vaccine and want their fellow travellers quarantined if they test positive will be happy until they find they were at the dinner table with said people and now have to wait 3 days locked in their cabins until they can be tested.
Now who do you suppose would take unfair advantage of your "honor system"?
Desert Hound
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I have zero interest in cruises either. I don't like set type schedules and like to be very flexible when traveling.
For years when my wife and I went to other countries we would not even book hotels. We would land and then figure out where we were staying. Made for some interesting adventures.
Over time as I would go back to the various countries again and again I knew the places I liked, etc and now normally book in advance. Also as I get older I have less patience.
But being on a cruise and being subject to...OK you have 8 hours on shore, be back by this time, etc is VERY unappealing to me.
Why would they be waiting three days to be tested?
Desert Hound
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Another factor to consider as well. Our medical info is private. There are federal laws that protect that privacy.
We can't suddenly say it is OK for private biz to look at our medical info.
People that are prone to lying, cheating and stealing in their other affairs, which is independent of political affiliation if that's what you're insinuating.
They won't be looking unless you volunteer to give it to them.
Locked in cabins? Says who?
I can easily imagine a cruise with vaccinated passengers who all got tested before boarding.
You're still stuck in a boolean model. The world is not always zero or one. Usually, it is in between. Take some stats. Embrace the probability distribution. Learn the difference between p= 10^-3 and p=10^-6.
Just don't go Bayesian with it. They call you racist if you go Bayesian.
Private biz already does look at your medical information. Have you ever purchased life insurance?
You can refuse to tell them your medical information. And they can refuse to insure you at that price.
I wasn't insinuating any political connection. I agree with your "lying, cheating, and stealing" characterization.
Conceptually yes. And I believe that adult vaccination status should be private. However, the legal consensus seems to be that a business can ask an employee or customer their vaccination status and not violate HIPAA. However, to ask them why they aren't vaccinated would be a violation....based upon what I've read, which may, or may not be correct.
IMO, its in incredibly poor taste for an employer to ask someone's vaccination status. I also think its terrible business decision, both short term and long term.
Desert Hound
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That is a very poor example. You are asking a company to insure you based on your health.
I don't get the connection.