Bad News Thread
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Mad Hatter
SILVER
I like to check back in every now and then.
The sun still rises and you still have your little authoritarian streak.
Despite all the real world facts coming in, you still cling to your need to have rules/regs that don't work. Now you are on to vaccine passports?
And you are still wearing a mask? What is wrong with you? You have the vax.
Because either you trust the vaccine or you don’t. These 2 may not even be contagious (we aren’t even fully sure if truly asymptomatic as opposed to presymptomatic can spread the virus and how readily) but now they and their contacts are going to be quarantined on ship where everyone is vaccinated. Of course on a ship of 2000 this is going to happen. If it happens a few times people will begin to think maybe it’s just not the right time to go on a cruise yet.
Welcome back to the Madness brother Mad Hatter. It's obvious what this is all about now. I will put the Elephant in the room for all to see. It's called "obey me because I like bossing people around boss." "Don't you question me either, I am science and whatever I say you need to do. Don't you dare question my authority either." I know a few who love this kind of power. I spoke to a dear liberal pal of mine last night. Dude is woke now and see's now what I've been trying to say to him for last 20 years or so. This is not a right vs left, Lib or Conservative, Black vs White, and so on. This is about one thing. Good vs Evil. BTW, he took his family to church last week for the first time ever. Good men who have been depressed or lost & confused in the matrix are now awakening to the BS and lies and now see the truth unlike any other time. I see the hope and rainbow
kickingandscreaming
PREMIER
I take it you're not in Santa Clara County California. We are required to wear a mask inside public buildings and places of business unless we are eating or doing shots of tequila - until next Wednesday. Then it's fewer places.
kickingandscreaming
PREMIER
Had - as in sometime in the past - or have a currently active case that could spread to others? Can they determine that from the test?
kickingandscreaming
PREMIER
We have more than enough of a lot of things between people, but I'm sure there's not enough love, understanding, and acceptance, Crush.Thanks bro, I really really really do appreciate the common sense friendship we have built. I love you man
You are using a false dichotomy. Trust is not boolean.
I trust the vaccine to do what they tested it to do: be 95% effective at preventing serious illness.
I do not trust the vaccine to completely block transmission in a very high risk environment like a cruise ship.
So, do I trust the vaccine or not?
There is nothing logically inconsistent with using both vaccines and tests.
I don’t think they can tell if someone is contagious, or how contagious they are. I suppose you could try to measure something like number of viral particles shed per minute of speech. Sounds more like research work than a clinical test, though.
Even then, I think you’d find that the 2 infected passengers were shedding a small amount of virus. Not enough to ring alarm bells. But enough that you don’t want them to be in a closed environment with 2000 other people, either.
To be honest, the last year has reminded me how much I like the outdoors. I tend not to mask up much because I spend so much time outside in the wind.
I’ll still mask up inside, but that’s the law here. It’s part of why Santa Clara County has less than half as many deaths per capita as Arizona.
For a cruise there is. If they are that unsafe you need to do both may as well not have cruises because otherwise you are asking people who have been vaccinated to pay all that cash for a potential vacation locked in their cabins for a week
Bruddah IZ
DA
Except the PCR does not test for current presence of the corona virus. You may have corona genetic sequences in your boogers. But the PCR won't tell you how long you've had those sequences in your system.
Desert Hound
DA
This is where your religion and math fails you.
We have a different population.
Cal has 97k cases per million
AZ has 121k cases per million.
It is not a WOW kind of difference.
Deaths do not move fully with cases either.
CT which has essentially the same cases per million as CA has 2400 deaths per million vs CAs 1600. And then CO who has essentially the same cases per million as CA but instead has 1180 deaths per million.
So it is not like CA has done a fantastic job of stopping the spread vs AZ.
Similar states to AZ case wise? UTAH has more cases per mil but deaths per mil of around 750. Wisconsin about the same cases but 1300 or so deaths per million.
And so on and so on.
I hate to break it to you, but CA didn't do anything special in terms of stopping the spread of the virus. They did however FAIL in the education of kids and college age people, failed to help biz, failed to help employees of those businesses they shuttered, etc.
It was a pointless attempt on the part of CA. Real world data shows you all may as well have had in person classes, etc.
Cruise ships? I'm not sure there are many things more unappealing then being stuck on a floating hotel with 2,000+ other people. I know people swear by them, but my idea of a vacation is getting away from other people. If I did go on a cruise, I'd worry way more about getting the norovirus than I would the coronavirus.
Incompetence at the EDD should be on the list.
Your supposed ‘no sick time’ for 40 yrs Union Rep is right.
CA is open for the vaccinated, just not in the workplace.
We took that 3 night 4 day carnival cruise with the kids 10 years ago. I took a pink pill the first night and just sleeped instead of puking. The food was great. The kids had a blast and I will never do a cruise again, vaxxed or not vaxxed. Can you imagine dad 4 types masking everyone around and just being a complete maskhole?
Bruddah IZ
DA
And if the corona genetic sequences are detected via PCR we know that there is a near 100% chance that you'll make it. If you even present with symptoms at all!! The Scamdemic that Dad$ keeps puttin' the paddles to was DOA. The Faucian's are a bunch of cowards.
I don't get where all the emotion comes from about vaccine passports. Am I the only one old enough to remember the yellow vaccine cards that were required for entry (or even visa applications) to much of the world? Aren't kids still required to show proof of up-to-date immunizations in order to attend public schools?
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