Lab leak articles in general may have been held up because of fears of appearing to support a conspiracy theory. Once Biden asked for the study, that objection went away.
It’s hard for the left to say “Trump was right about X.”. Even if he was.
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It’s hard for the left to say “Trump was right about X.”. Even if he was.
No doubt.
The "say or do opposite of Trump" is not great policy, although its been the modus operandi for Biden his first 100 days. I'm glad he is investigating the lab leak theory now.
The media and those protecting their own self interests are the ones that mischaracterized it as a conspiracy. I don't know if its a true or not, but its a very plausible theory given the circumstances. Could it be coincidence, yes, but we also don't have any compelling evidence that it occurred naturally. It's at least worth an investigation.
I will give Fauci the benefit of the that he didn't know what was going on at the Wuhan lab, but, given his resources and affiliation he had every obligation to investigate it at the time and not rely on the representations of a not impartial industry colleague.
I definitely think given the evidence it’s a likely possibility. What bothers me about the theory, though, is the time frame. A fall lab leak is not enough time for the virus to achieve the number of mutations circulating in January. Satellite and phone data shows something was going on in China in early fall 2020. And the antibody and fecal tracking out of Italy, Paris, Spain, Boston, Seattle and Singapore doesnt rec with the time frame. The antibody tests would have to be wrong and on a massive level. I think the other probable candidate is the bat cave dung collections highlighted in the variety article.
Desert Hound
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The press during the 4 yrs of T basically took the opposite position of everything. It was reflexive and supported their political position.
That however does not make for actually informing the public of what the truth is.
Biden actually canned the investigation into the leak theory. It was only in the past month when the trend went the other way that he said OK lets investigate.
I am still skeptical we get the full truth. It would be one thing if the US had never financed any aspect of that labs research. However we know they have. Now maybe that financing wasn't directly related to covid, but these are links governments like to hide.
According to Vanity Fair, not investigating lab leak is Trump's fault:
"Trump’s premature statement poisoned the waters for anyone seeking an honest answer to the question of where COVID-19 came from."
Talk about a complete lack of self-awareness and honesty.
When you look at CA/FL, remember to look at socal and norcal separately.
Most of the deaths in CA were in LA, OC, Riv, and San Bernadino. For those four counties, you have 38,800 deaths out of 18 million residents. 2150 deaths per million. That is worse than Florida, and close to South Dakota.
For the entire rest of the state, you have 24,500 deaths out of a population of 22 million. 1,100 deaths per million. Considerably better than Florida, and similar to Colorado.
The question then becomes not “why did CA policies fail?”, but “what went wrong in socal?”.
Most of the deaths in CA were in LA, OC, Riv, and San Bernadino. For those four counties, you have 38,800 deaths out of 18 million residents. 2150 deaths per million. That is worse than Florida, and close to South Dakota.
For the entire rest of the state, you have 24,500 deaths out of a population of 22 million. 1,100 deaths per million. Considerably better than Florida, and similar to Colorado.
The question then becomes not “why did CA policies fail?”, but “what went wrong in socal?”.
Los Angeles Co was one of the most restrictive in the state, with indoor dining and bars closed the entire time and schools and churches fully remote.
Given what we now know out of Singapore, Australia and Taiwan, not only multigenerational families, but also just apartment living in general are probably a large part of those drivers.
You also have to throw out NorCal when comparing Fl/TX because of the different latitudes. A more fair comparison with NorCal is Salt Lake and Denver.
kickingandscreaming
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That's what happens to crusaders. The crusade (get Trump out of office) becomes the end-all. Objectivity is left in its wake.
SJ had the same rules as LA. Remote schools, remote church, closed indoor dining. We also have a large apartment population. But we have fewer than half your deaths per capita. Same for Oakland.
Back to asking what went wrong in socal. It wasn't simply lockdowns + apartments, because then Oakland and San Jose would look just as bad.
The only 2 other obvious factors are latitude and percentage of workers forced to work in person.
Those don't hold up, either.
Latitude helps you, not us. We had less warmth and less sunlight last winter. We should be the ones who spent too much time indoors.
You're also way worse off then San Diego. If the problem were being too far south, they'd be looking worse.
Essential workers? Oakland has mostly essential workers, too. Why does LA have almost three times the death rate of Alameda County?
Two other "obvious" factors you missed: 1- socal rule compliance was weaker on a personal scale. 2- socal had a more contagious variant.
1 is absolutely false. 1/2 of Los Angeles is still wearing masks outside.
2 is unlikely given that at some point given the close ties between la and NorCal it would have spread to NorCal at some point. Even Singapore Taiwan and Thailand were unable to keep out the uk and Indian variants.
Variant:
The LA variant did make it to NorCal. But that's the wrong question. The right question is when it become the dominant variant.
LA was a few months ahead of us. You got it just before the vaccine, and we got it just after. It's a lot less of a problem if 30% of people are vaccinated.
Compliance:
You have the wrong measure of what it means to be masked and distant. It mostly is not a question of what the most cautious people do. Transmission is caused by what the least cautious 20% do.
What fraction of people were still going to casinos and having friends over for drinks?
If that number is higher for LA than for SJ, then that would help explain the difference.
You’ve twisted yourself in circles with the variant and norcalers are more virtuous than socalers when the most obvious explanation really is lines of latitude when you compare what happened in az and Texas including the summer wave. Or: the simplest explanation is usually right.
Desert Hound
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You can go find areas in FL that did better vs other areas in FL. Kind of like what you are trying to pull with your example in CA.
You are looking for excuses as to why CA is in the same place as FL.
FL had 100s of thousands of kids IN SCHOOL. CA did not. FL let biz work. CA really did not.
CA failed in comparison to FL. That is what it is.
Stop making excuses.
The results are in.
If you have kids, work, run a biz, etc. one would have been far better off in FL vs CA.
whatithink
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Israel sees probable link between Pfizer vaccine and myocarditis cases
Israel's Health Ministry said on Tuesday it had found the small number of heart inflammation cases observed mainly in young men who received Pfizer's (PFE.N) COVID-19 vaccine in Israel were likely linked to their vaccination.
www.reuters.com
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In Israel, 275 cases of myocarditis were reported between December 2020 and May 2021 among more than 5 million vaccinated people, the ministry said in disclosing the findings of a study it commissioned to examine the matter.
Most patients who experienced heart inflammation spent no more than four days in the hospital and 95% of the cases were classified as mild, according to the study, which the ministry said was conducted by three teams of experts.
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Israel had held off making its 12- to 15-year-old population eligible for the vaccines, pending the Health Ministry report. In parallel to publishing those findings, a ministry committee approved vaccinating the adolescents, a senior official said.
"The committee gave the green light for vaccinating 12- to 15-year-olds, and this will be possible as of next week," Nachman Ash, Israel's pandemic-response coordinator, told Radio 103 FM. "The efficacy of the vaccine outweighs the risk."
Desert Hound
DA
This is exactly what happened.
By the way recent Fauci emails reveal he thought that without a vaccine covid would go away.
Who was advising the Prez?
What have we heard as a major complaint of Trump? That he said the virus would go away.
If our press wasn't looking to score point, etc we would get so much better info.
Holding off? How about let the public know the real truth. This is more & more looking like a real WMD Grace. I told my friend last night and he told me to stop talking about all this conspiracy shit. Same guy WHO for the last 3 months has been telling me how selfish I am for not taking the double shot of poison. WTFUP!!!! Talk about something that seemed so right can be so wrong
This is MOO, so take what I say with a grain of salt and a bottle Jack. I think the true meaning of life is learning to overcome your fears. I think we will ALL be pushed to the limit in one form of fear or another. Ain't nobody escaping fear + pain + suffering= Help God? Good vs Evil and the choice is an individual one.