Bad News Thread

[Desert Hound]

You would understand the flu season masks better if you had more concern for vulnerable people outside your own household.

Most of the vulnerable are vaccinated. Those that are not choose not to be vaccinated. Their choice right?

Further when months ago and longer when someone went to a restaurant they assumed the risk of going there. Presumably the ones who were worried didn't go. So again you have a situation where people made the choice to go and be with others who also made that choice. You seem to assume there was a large contingent at these places that were worried/scared to go...but went anyway.


You wanted to unreasonably shut it all down or pretend everything can be done outside.

And today? You are running around wearing a mask that does you no good, nor does it protect anyone else.

The pandemic is over. You can go out again. Ditch the useless mask. Hell even the CDC has finally come around and said vaccinated people don't need it inside or outside. Not sure why you continue.

 

[Bruddah IZ]

MAY 7, 20209:19 AMUPDATED A YEAR AGO
Misleading claim: Woodstock took place in the middle of a pandemic
By Reuters Staff
7 MIN READ

Misleading claim: Woodstock took place in the middle of a pandemic

Correction 2: Reuters Fact Check team initially rated this claim as True, and later revised that to Partly True. After listening carefully to feedback from readers and reviewing the timeline of the Hong Kong flu pandemic that started in 1968, we are correcting this verdict...

www.reuters.com

 

[dad4]

Most of the vulnerable are vaccinated. Those that are not choose not to be vaccinated. Their choice right?

Further when months ago and longer when someone went to a restaurant they assumed the risk of going there. Presumably the ones who were worried didn't go. So again you have a situation where people made the choice to go and be with others who also made that choice. You seem to assume there was a large contingent at these places that were worried/scared to go...but went anyway.


You wanted to unreasonably shut it all down or pretend everything can be done outside.

And today? You are running around wearing a mask that does you no good, nor does it protect anyone else.

The pandemic is over. You can go out again. Ditch the useless mask. Hell even the CDC has finally come around and said vaccinated people don't need it inside or outside. Not sure why you continue.

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So, if the pandemic is over, why do we still have over ten thousand new cases and over one hundred deaths each day?

More to the point, the new India variant is much more transmissible. About 2.5 times as high. If that’s true, it pushes the herd immunity threshold from about 75% to about 90%. It also seems to have some ability to reinfect people who have some natural immunity. A 35% vax rate and a 60% infection rate are probably not sufficient to deal with that. Or, if you’re from my county, a 65% vax rate and a 30% infection rate aren’t quite enough, either. You need something else.

Masks would probably do it. Greater vax rates would definitely do it. Celebrating early will not do it.

 

[Desert Hound]

So, if the pandemic is over, why do we still have over ten thousand new cases and over one hundred deaths each day?

You know at 100 deaths per day you are now in the range of the flu...and not even a bad flu season.

You and your variants. First it was the UK one. Then maybe the S. African one. Then you thought the CA variant was a problem. You had other doomsday scenarios I don't remember at this time as well.

Either way deaths are now in the range of average flu territory and still dropping.

Your need for a mask is non existent. As we watch more and more states, etc drop masks, and mask usage dropping daily, cases continue to fall.

You aren't saving anyone, nor protecting yourself wearing a mask.

 

[Bruddah IZ]

So, if the pandemic is over, why do we still have over ten thousand new cases and over one hundred deaths each day?

Not sourced.

 

[Grace T.]

You know at 100 deaths per day you are now in the range of the flu...and not even a bad flu season.

You and your variants. First it was the UK one. Then maybe the S. African one. Then you thought the CA variant was a problem. You had other doomsday scenarios I don't remember at this time as well.

Either way deaths are now in the range of average flu territory and still dropping.

Your need for a mask is non existent. As we watch more and more states, etc drop masks, and mask usage dropping daily, cases continue to fall.

You aren't saving anyone, nor protecting yourself wearing a mask.

He's prob right about the India variant given that it doesn't seem to be holding things back in Asia anymore (for whatever reason). Still, deaths are on the floor, which is what we should care about. Even the India variant doesn't change that. We can't protect against every infection. It's over (at least in the US).

 

[Desert Hound]

He's prob right about the India variant given that it doesn't seem to be holding things back in Asia anymore (for whatever reason). Still, deaths are on the floor, which is what we should care about. Even the India variant doesn't change that. We can't protect against every infection. It's over (at least in the US).

Cases in India are dropping rapidly now.

 

[Grace T.]

Cases in India are dropping rapidly now.

They started somewhere around 40% seroprevalence (as high as 50% in some cities). 40%- reinfection of some asymptomatics and mild cases + whatever they have now. They must be close to 65% in some cities. Given our experience that’s what you’d expect.

 

[dad4]

They started somewhere around 40% seroprevalence (as high as 50% in some cities). 40%- reinfection of some asymptomatics and mild cases + whatever they have now. They must be close to 65% in some cities. Given our experience that’s what you’d expect.

Any word on how severe the reinfections are? You'd hope there is at least a lessening of severity, even if you still get sick.

Makes a big difference to us. Some states here, more than half of our immunity is from prior infections.

 

[Grace T.]

Any word on how severe the reinfections are? You'd hope there is at least a lessening of severity, even if you still get sick.

Makes a big difference to us. Some states here, more than half of our immunity is from prior infections.

Anecdotal since given the meltdown they aren’t tracking it well but reinfection are gen reported mild except among very old. The uk thinks it’s equivalent to 1 mRNA shot.

 

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[Bruddah IZ]

Any word on how severe the reinfections are? You'd hope there is at least a lessening of severity, even if you still get sick.

Makes a big difference to us. Some states here, more than half of our immunity is from prior infections.

Imagine that.

 

[Bruddah IZ]

Anecdotal since given the meltdown they aren’t tracking it well but reinfection are gen reported mild except among very old. The uk thinks it’s equivalent to 1 mRNA shot.

Harry and Megan's UK?

 

[dad4]

Couple of decent wapo articles today.

The first is on evaluating risk for the unvaccinated.

Basic argument is that you can’t really measure total cases/total pop. Unvaccinated people are where the virus is, so you have to measure unvaccinated cases/unvaccinated pop.

For CA, that means your risk as an unvaccinated person is about double the reported rate. The number of cases is still about 1500 per day, but almost all of that is unvax. So the unvax community is at about 6 daily cases per 100K and the vax community is close to 0.

The other good article was on the lab leak theory. Wapo is now treating it as mainstream, and published a “why we got it wrong” article. They don’t quite say “we dismissed it because Trump said it”, but they come close.

 

[Bruddah IZ]

Couple of decent wapo articles today.

The first is on evaluating risk for the unvaccinated.

Basic argument is that you can’t really measure total cases/total pop. Unvaccinated people are where the virus is, so you have to measure unvaccinated cases/unvaccinated pop.

For CA, that means your risk as an unvaccinated person is about double the reported rate. The number of cases is still about 1500 per day, but almost all of that is unvax. So the unvax community is at about 6 daily cases per 100K and the vax community is close to 0.

The other good article was on the lab leak theory. Wapo is now treating it as mainstream, and published a “why we got it wrong” article. They don’t quite say “we dismissed it because Trump said it”, but they come close.

Measuring risk by PCR means no credibility.

 

[dad4]

Imagine that.

No one said that natural immunity doesn’t exist. It’s just a painful way to go about solving the problem. There is that uncomfortable phase when cases spike and you try, and fail, to keep covid out of the nursing homes. (I know. You don’t like talking about that part.)

 

[Grace T.]

Couple of decent wapo articles today.

The first is on evaluating risk for the unvaccinated.

Basic argument is that you can’t really measure total cases/total pop. Unvaccinated people are where the virus is, so you have to measure unvaccinated cases/unvaccinated pop.

For CA, that means your risk as an unvaccinated person is about double the reported rate. The number of cases is still about 1500 per day, but almost all of that is unvax. So the unvax community is at about 6 daily cases per 100K and the vax community is close to 0.

The other good article was on the lab leak theory. Wapo is now treating it as mainstream, and published a “why we got it wrong” article. They don’t quite say “we dismissed it because Trump said it”, but they come close.

Yet on social media the commentators who raised the issue were banned or shadow banned because “Trump said it” and called racist for questioning the prc. Moreover, it is beginning to look like that the virus may have been enhanced (aka engineered) and while not quite a bio weapon also did not naturally occur. Yet another failure of the establishment and put up another point for the scrappy naysayers