Bad News Thread

Again we will never agree because your only using one standard and that's Covid, I happen to believe that other health, economic, social and educational standards are relevant. Florida crushed California hands down.
Your comparison only works because LA had a different disease than FL.

If you restrict your comparison to places with the same disease, your argument goes nowhere. The rest of CA had just over half as many deaths per capita as FL.

So, if you want to say FL crushed greater LA, you are correct. Just remember that FL was taking the easy test and LA got the hard test. Not too surprising that FL got a D and LA got an F.
 
Your comparison only works because LA had a different disease than FL.

If you restrict your comparison to places with the same disease, your argument goes nowhere. The rest of CA had just over half as many deaths per capita as FL.

So, if you want to say FL crushed greater LA, you are correct. Just remember that FL was taking the easy test and LA got the hard test. Not too surprising that FL got a D and LA got an F.
Please. FL didn't get a D.

Just based on deaths per million FL is in the bottom half of the states in the US.

Their deaths per million are close to states all the way down to #35 in the US.

You are just stuck with your models and your wish casting that they work. And are now looking for excuses as to why.

FL's test was no harder vs CA. The difference is CA leadership failed the same test FL was taking.

It is fascinating watching you change the parameters of what you think is great and works and what doesn't all in a feeble attempt to justify interventions that didn't work.

Remember...if you had a kid, in FL they got to go to school in person this past year. The poor, the middle class and the rich kids. CA? Basically nobody got in person classes. The poor? They didn't even get much online classes.

Right there CA gets an F and FL gets an A. FL gave educational opportunities to all the various socio economic groups. CA who is supposedly on the side of the little guy...screwed the less well of as it relates to education.

Then factor in all the people in CA who were put out of work or lost their biz. FL is far ahead in that category as well.

It is an easy win for FL. FL is one of the states that did the best during covid.
 
They put hubris in the water up here?
If you follow the argument, it’s not really about norcal.

I just got tired of people comparing FL to CA, but ignoring the variant.

So I decided to pose a question to which the only honest answers are “variant” and “inadequate housing.”

Which brings us back to,

What went wrong in LA? Why are their numbers so much worse than almost anyone else at their latitude?

It’s not Newsom, because the rest of CA did ok.
It’s not latitude, because you did worse than the rest of your latitude.

What did LA do that was so bad?
 
If you follow the argument, it’s not really about norcal.

I just got tired of people comparing FL to CA, but ignoring the variant.

So I decided to pose a question to which the only honest answers are “variant” and “inadequate housing.”

Which brings us back to,

What went wrong in LA? Why are their numbers so much worse than almost anyone else at their latitude?

It’s not Newsom, because the rest of CA did ok.
It’s not latitude, because you did worse than the rest of your latitude.

What did LA do that was so bad?

It's funny. You are down to the variant was confined to La County.

And if you accept that Newsom may have been a variable, you may as well be open to putting it on the LA Board of Supervisors for their really long lockdowns (we know lockdown fatigue is a thing) and their shutting of outdoor dining.
 
Cal osha seems set to rule masks into 2022 unless everyone in the work space (tbd) is vaccinated. 2 futures possible: offices to remain remote in California into 2022, everyone ignores it and companies have to employ mask police.
Seems like the virus only endangers California a now…
 
Fortunately, there are some very good online resources and my high school daughter was able to educate herself.
Yes. I mentioned this before, but as you all know I don't fear repeating myself. There is going to be a population of students who thrive when they can go at their own pace and don't miss the social aspect of school as well as families that appreciate the flexibility. If I had to guess, the COVID experience will act to skim a bit of the academic cream off the top of public schools.
 
When you look at CA/FL, remember to look at socal and norcal separately.

Most of the deaths in CA were in LA, OC, Riv, and San Bernadino. For those four counties, you have 38,800 deaths out of 18 million residents. 2150 deaths per million. That is worse than Florida, and close to South Dakota.

For the entire rest of the state, you have 24,500 deaths out of a population of 22 million. 1,100 deaths per million. Considerably better than Florida, and similar to Colorado.

The question then becomes not “why did CA policies fail?”, but “what went wrong in socal?”.
I’ll take relative distance to the Mexico border for 500 Alex!
 
In the face of growing concerns about myocarditis, last week the CDC posted a statement saying it “continues to recommend COVID-19 vaccination for everyone 12 years of age and older. The known and potential benefits of COVID-19 vaccination outweigh the known and potential risks, including the possible risk of myocarditis or pericarditis.”


Also: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/myocarditis.html
Except for the FACT that last summer lockdowners were using myocarditis as a reason for our kids NOT to return to outdoor sports because of the risk…..again, selective use of science.
 
It's funny. You are down to the variant was confined to La County.

And if you accept that Newsom may have been a variable, you may as well be open to putting it on the LA Board of Supervisors for their really long lockdowns (we know lockdown fatigue is a thing) and their shutting of outdoor dining.

Why was LA the only place with lockdown fatigue? We closed dining, too.

It may be that there was a cultural difference in when different people gave in to lockdown fatigue. But the lockdown itself was largely the same.

Besides, that sounds dangerously close to norcal smugness. “ Those weak souls in LA crumbled in fatigue, while we northerners endured with grace and dignity. If only those Dodgers fans were as mentally strong as the stalwart residents of Oakland.”.

Are you sure that’s the argument you want?
 
Yes. I mentioned this before, but as you all know I don't fear repeating myself. There is going to be a population of students who thrive when they can go at their own pace and don't miss the social aspect of school as well as families that appreciate the flexibility. If I had to guess, the COVID experience will act to skim a bit of the academic cream off the top of public schools.
(If we didn't repeat ourselves, we'd have nothing to say.) California students have been particularly disadvantaged as compared to students from other states. One of many issues is in regards to college admissions for this year's Seniors.

Despite my whining about the impacts of the Covid restrictions, most are "first world" problems for my family. Nothing really more than inconveniences. I'd even go so far as to say that we adapted and thrived at times during the pandemic, but we had the ability to do so.

However, the less fortunate took the brunt of both the virus and the restrictions. The short term impacts have been devastating to some. The long term impacts to our community as a whole are unknown, but potentially disastrous.
 
Nope. San Diego is closer, and they have a far lower death rate.

Besides, Texas is also kicking your ass. They’re close to Mexico, too.

Next try.
Aren't you in Santa Clara County? While a per capital death rate shouldn't ever be considered a good thing, SD County rate is nearly identical to Santa Clara's. We at least did better than LA.
 
Why was LA the only place with lockdown fatigue? We closed dining, too.

It may be that there was a cultural difference in when different people gave in to lockdown fatigue. But the lockdown itself was largely the same.

Besides, that sounds dangerously close to norcal smugness. “ Those weak souls in LA crumbled in fatigue, while we northerners endured with grace and dignity. If only those Dodgers fans were as mentally strong as the stalwart residents of Oakland.”.

Are you sure that’s the argument you want?

Or it could be the virus viruses based in part on density and latitude, but otherwise operates kind of like food coloring sloshing in a wave pool....it would all be very random so you wouldn't like that at all.
 
Aren't you in Santa Clara County? While a per capital death rate shouldn't ever be considered a good thing, SD County rate is nearly identical to Santa Clara's. We at least did better than LA.
That’s just the thing. If you grew up as a Chargers and Padres fan, then you know something about enduring hardship and were prepared for the rigors of quarantine. Same thing for Raiders and As fans.

Those weak-willed Lakers and Dodgers fans never stood a chance. They crumbled under pressure and gave in to covid fatigue.

:p
 
"We have stolen nearly two years of the most energetic and productive time in our children’s lives for a virus that 99% of people will survive and ostensibly 100% of children who contract it will survive. This virus has been no threat to youth (yes, I understand there are exceptions to every rule but in a country of 330 million, 100 to 200 deaths -while certainly heart wrenching- is statistically zero)."
 
That’s just the thing. If you grew up as a Chargers and Padres fan, then you know something about enduring hardship and were prepared for the rigors of quarantine. Same thing for Raiders and As fans.

Those weak-willed Lakers and Dodgers fans never stood a chance. They crumbled under pressure and gave in to covid fatigue.

:p
You finally may be on to something. They can buy championships, but they couldn't buy their way out of the pandemic.
 
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