Bad News Thread

[crush]

This is exactly what happened.

By the way recent Fauci emails reveal he thought that without a vaccine covid would go away.

Who was advising the Prez?

What have we heard as a major complaint of Trump? That he said the virus would go away.

If our press wasn't looking to score point, etc we would get so much better info.

Go deeper Hound. Get down that rabbit hole with Alice brother. It's super dark at first and you will see some of the most disturbing ass shit that no one is willing to talking about above the earth. I tried to take every male friend I know down with me and they run away every time we get close. To come to think about it, only woman go down the rabbit hole with me. The guys I know have been telling me to STFU with all the abuse stuff towards the kids and it's not true and I just need to go back to life. We need the men to rise up and lead with the woman who have been sounding the alarm bells for a long time. Dudes have been too busy working and trying to survive and I get all that. However, the kids need our help Hound, they really really do.

 

[espola]

Israel is reporting a positive link between the mRNA vaccine and myocarditis in young men after 2nd dose. Israel holding off vaccinating 12-15 year olds as a result

In the face of growing concerns about myocarditis, last week the CDC posted a statement saying it “continues to recommend COVID-19 vaccination for everyone 12 years of age and older. The known and potential benefits of COVID-19 vaccination outweigh the known and potential risks, including the possible risk of myocarditis or pericarditis.”

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/06/israel-detects-link-between-myocarditis-and-covid-vaccine.html

Also: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/myocarditis.html

 

[watfly]

When you look at CA/FL, remember to look at socal and norcal separately.

Most of the deaths in CA were in LA, OC, Riv, and San Bernadino. For those four counties, you have 38,800 deaths out of 18 million residents. 2150 deaths per million. That is worse than Florida, and close to South Dakota.

For the entire rest of the state, you have 24,500 deaths out of a population of 22 million. 1,100 deaths per million. Considerably better than Florida, and similar to Colorado.

The question then becomes not “why did CA policies fail?”, but “what went wrong in socal?”.

Just curious, when you grade a students math test do you just grade them on the parts they did well on?

 

[watfly]

If you have kids, work, run a biz, etc. one would have been far better off in FL vs CA.

"Yeah but" if you are a school teacher, California is AWESOME!

 

[crush]

In the face of growing concerns about myocarditis, last week the CDC posted a statement saying it “continues to recommend COVID-19 vaccination for everyone 12 years of age and older. The known and potential benefits of COVID-19 vaccination outweigh the known and potential risks, including the possible risk of myocarditis or pericarditis.”

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/06/israel-detects-link-between-myocarditis-and-covid-vaccine.html

Also: https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/myocarditis.html

Espola, I will now be calling you Ebola. Wow dude, after all this you still act like this? To all the folks reading along, me and Ebola Boy go way back. I'm the only one he censors and ignores. Think about how wrong his triple head avatar has been? I sure hope he HHWTFU and GHSTFGS and his sakes. My son and daughter have a better chance of getting struck by a bus today and being struck by Lightning tomorrow before they would die from the Rona. Seriously, your starting to cross death lines to me and that is not good. Listen to this Dr bro and tell me what lie he is saying. WTFUUPOD!!!!

https://www.bitchute.com/video/TPrL6Qev8Vd0/

 

[Desert Hound]

last week the CDC posted a statement saying it “continues to recommend COVID-19 vaccination for everyone 12 years of age and older.

Why vaccinate the kids?

I am in no hurry to get my kids vaccinated.

Lets look at the numbers to date.

Roughly 600k deaths in the US.

Age 0-17 have 309 deaths so far.
Age 18-29 have 2294 deaths so far.

They have no risk.

The above group accounts for just 0.43% of all deaths.

And what did we do? Shut down schools, sports and universities. Look at that number above and make an argument that the gov did the right thing shutting schools down. They have no risk. And the people who have advocated shutting schools down clearly don't look at data or understand risk.

Lets go to age 49.

Everyone under 49 constituted 4.4% of all deaths.

We shut schools, biz, run around wearing useless masks, etc for these numbers?

Enough of the dog and pony safety theater show.

I am curious to see what stupid rules schools have in place for this coming year. So thankful my kids are not stuck in a public school and have to deal with the idiocy. Being in a charter/private school they had school wise a pretty normal rule. The kids across the street in a public school even just a few days ago were doing a drive through graduation because it was deemed unsafe to do it in person.

 

[Desert Hound]

"Yeah but" if you are a school teacher, California is AWESOME!

Yep.

You get to work at home in your basement wearing a mask and get full pay.

 

[dad4]

Just curious, when you grade a students math test do you just grade them on the parts they did well on?

I think a better analogy is you have two students. One mostly did the homework and got the easy test. The other did a half-assed job on the homework and got the hard test.

I’m not saying the policies were perfect. Closing outdoor spaces wasn’t just unnecessary, it probably cost lives. But something went seriously wrong in LA, and it wasn’t just Newsom. Somehow, you guys had over twice as many deaths per capita as other urbanized areas of California.

 

[Desert Hound]

 

[Desert Hound]

But something went seriously wrong in LA, and it wasn’t just Newsom. Somehow, you guys had over twice as many deaths per capita as other urbanized areas of California.

Nothing went wrong outside of closing everything down.

LA shut down. Schools closes, restaurants closed, biz closed. What else exactly were they supposed to do?

 

[Desert Hound]

 

[Desert Hound]

"If the 20th century should have taught us anything, it is to never trust doctors in or adjacent to politics."

 

[watfly]

Somehow, you guys had over twice as many deaths per capita as other urbanized areas of California.

Hey don't lump SD in with LA, we're the anti-LA. (Ironically, LA went yellow before SD, in fact, SD is still orange)

Garcetti may be the variable you're looking for.

 

[watfly]

Yep.

You get to work at home in your basement wearing a mask and get full pay.

It's interesting. Elementary teachers and middle school teachers seemed to be very committed for the most part. High school teachers were generally a disaster, some at best just mailed it in. One of my daughter's teachers told his students not to contact him unless it was an emergency. Some just assigned homework and rarely graded it. A few still refuse to show up in person. I place the blame firmly on the principals for not holding the teachers accountable (although the unions had a role in that as well).

Fortunately, there are some very good online resources and my high school daughter was able to educate herself.

 

[dad4]

Hey don't lump SD in with LA, we're the anti-LA. (Ironically, LA went yellow before SD, in fact, SD is still orange)

Garcetti may be the variable you're looking for.

SD did ok. Worse than most of CA, but nowhere near as badly as LA.

What did Garcetti do differently? San Jose, Oakland, and SF were all doing the same thing. None of them had 2400 deaths per million.

The problem was not politicians. Most of socal was more relaxed about rules. San Diego got the easy test (wild type covid) LA got the hard test (LA variant). So San Diego got a C and LA got an F.

 

[kickingandscreaming]

You’ve twisted yourself in circles with the variant and norcalers are more virtuous than socalers when the most obvious explanation really is lines of latitude when you compare what happened in az and Texas including the summer wave. Or: the simplest explanation is usually right.

How dare you underestimate the virtue of the Norcal - the epicenter of smug.

 

[watfly]

SD did ok. Worse than most of CA, but nowhere near as badly as LA.

What did Garcetti do differently? San Jose, Oakland, and SF were all doing the same thing. None of them had 2400 deaths per million.

The problem was not politicians. Most of socal was more relaxed about rules. San Diego got the easy test (wild type covid) LA got the hard test (LA variant). So San Diego got a C and LA got an F.

Again we will never agree because your only using one standard and that's Covid, I happen to believe that other health, economic, social and educational standards are relevant. Florida crushed California hands down.

 

[watfly]

How dare you underestimate the virtue of the Norcal - the epicenter of smug.

Not to stereotype, but its uncanny how that seems to work. It must be something in the water.

 

[dad4]

You’ve twisted yourself in circles with the variant and norcalers are more virtuous than socalers when the most obvious explanation really is lines of latitude when you compare what happened in az and Texas including the summer wave. Or: the simplest explanation is usually right.

Ok. Let’s compare LA to other states at about the same latitude.

You guys did about as well as Arizona or Mississippi, but worse than Vegas, New Mexico, Texas, Oklahoma, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Arkansas, South Carolina or Georgia. Two ties and nine losses.

What went wrong in LA? You have worse numbers than almost anyone else at your latitude.

 

[kickingandscreaming]

Why vaccinate the kids?

I am in no hurry to get my kids vaccinated.

Lets look at the numbers to date.

Roughly 600k deaths in the US.

Age 0-17 have 309 deaths so far.
Age 18-29 have 2294 deaths so far.

They have no risk.

The above group accounts for just 0.43% of all deaths.

And what did we do? Shut down schools, sports and universities. Look at that number above and make an argument that the gov did the right thing shutting schools down. They have no risk. And the people who have advocated shutting schools down clearly don't look at data or understand risk.

Lets go to age 49.

Everyone under 49 constituted 4.4% of all deaths.

We shut schools, biz, run around wearing useless masks, etc for these numbers?

Enough of the dog and pony safety theater show.

I am curious to see what stupid rules schools have in place for this coming year. So thankful my kids are not stuck in a public school and have to deal with the idiocy. Being in a charter/private school they had school wise a pretty normal rule. The kids across the street in a public school even just a few days ago were doing a drive through graduation because it was deemed unsafe to do it in person.

I keep wondering the same thing. I have a 15-year-old. What's a bigger risk for her, the known, extremely low risk of the virus or the likely extremely low risk of the vaccine?

 

[Desert Hound]

What went wrong in LA? You have worse numbers than almost anyone else at your latitude.

Nothing went wrong.

It is a virus. Masks don't stop it. People have to work.

The problem is you assume that people will all just stay home and not go out. No work, nada. The reality is rather different. LA was very compliant with the nonsensical rules. It just happens to be a large metro area in which a respiratory virus easily moves around.