The assumption as well is that the politicians and health experts are going to have the insight to time these lockdowns depending on the strength of variants (Dakota=should of lockdown like LA; LA shoulda locked down even tighter). 1. the experts themselves can't keep all the variants straight let alone what they do: UK/Austria variant, NY variant, California variant, South Africa variant, Brazil variant, Finland variant (note no China variant), 2. that the politicians can actually implement a policy that makes rationale sense in the pressure to do something instead of just use the hammer the entire time (like Los Angeles has done), and 3. that over time it's impossible to sustain (dad4 may be able to be holed up for 18 months, but for the average human being [let alone the 20 something unmarried male] isn't going to be able to keep it up over that time period). All western governments have done a horrible job managing COVID with very rare exceptions (and those exceptions coming at a tremendous cost and in part based on serendipity)...the idea that they are going to time policies based on the severity of variants is laughable.
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The assumption as well is that the politicians and health experts are going to have the insight to time these lockdowns depending on the strength of variants (Dakota=should of lockdown like LA; LA shoulda locked down even tighter). 1. the experts themselves can't keep all the variants straight let alone what they do: UK/Austria variant, NY variant, California variant, South Africa variant, Brazil variant, Finland variant (note no China variant), 2. that the politicians can actually implement a policy that makes rationale sense in the pressure to do something instead of just use the hammer the entire time (like Los Angeles has done), and 3. that over time it's impossible to sustain (dad4 may be able to be holed up for 18 months, but for the average human being [let alone the 20 something unmarried male] isn't going to be able to keep it up over that time period). All western governments have done a horrible job managing COVID with very rare exceptions (and those exceptions coming at a tremendous cost and in part based on serendipity)...the idea that they are going to time policies based on the severity of variants is laughable.
Look up.
A million homes in 10 story buildings would take about 10,000 acres, plus another 30,000 acres for parks and schools. About 1.6% of the land area in LA county.
Are taller apartment buildings really worse than what you’ve been through the last year?
You obviously don’t live in LA. Where are you gonna find that 40,000 acres?
I’ve been in favor of opening outdoor spaces since last summer. Don’t blame that one on me.
Sorry if you don’t like it. But nimby housing policies helped drive the LA pandemic. Same for SJ and central valley, though in different ways.
Essential workers would go between a crowded work environment and a crowded home environment, spreading covid from one to the other.
Places like Texas and Florida got away with much worse covid policies because they don’t have the crowded home environment.
Depends where you build them and how much low rent housing is included. I'm sure if they made the neighborhood around you looking like the building boom in Glendale, you'd be screaming NIMBY.
It's doable. Look at what's happened to Glendale over the past 5 years. The issue though is that type of investment is geared towards YUMPs and not towards Latino migrants. The Latino migrants, even if they could afford those fancy new apartments, aren't going to shell out the money they are trying to save for it, and aren't going to agree to the strict per person housing occupancy limits that come in these new glitzy areas. And there's no profit for developers to build really cheap buildings for the Latino migrants. So the only thing you'd get is poor neighborhoods complaining they are being gentrified. The only way to go that many units is for the government to massively spend to build such low income housing but if it happens in his neighborhood even dad will be screaming NIMBY....and you can't really segregate now these days without running into woke issues. We tried the tenement low income housing, particularly on the east coast, a while back....it didn't work which is why mixed housing is all the rage...but then short of an area like Glendale which is attractive to both groups, it's really hard to pull off.
Previously you blamed it on people having house parties and not wearing masks....now it’s the age old housing policy that has been in existence for ages. But you refuse to blame those who made the policy closing outdoor spaces in favor of “stay at home”?
You creat policy based on environment. The housing situation was ignored in LA Co policy making so that’s on the policy makers!
As an aside, over $2billion was allocated several years ago to build low income housing. To date only about 10% of the housing has been built and the money is almost gone. In a recent audit the LA Co Controller discovered and called into question how it could cost over $700,000 PER 1000sqft apartment.
Same argument every city. “We are all built out. There is no more land.”
Same answer, every city. The land right there, under your feet.
If you change the zoning, it gets rebuilt. Have you ever seen a single story neighborhood that is zoned for 10 stories?
Or, you can have high rates of disease every time we have a new pandemic.
Sounds like it would have to be public housing project, because many of us likely couldn't afford an apartment or condo with a view in LA. Certainly not one for a whole family.
I'll pass on a public housing project because they've only created problems much worse than Covid and certainly don't resolve density issues. So yes it is much worse than what we've been through in the last year.
Public Housing Becomes the Latest Progressive Fantasy
A new generation of activists seeks to revive an old urban policy, despite its troubled history.
www.theatlantic.com
It's a long article but it provides interesting insight on where technocrats like dad 4 are coming from.....
www.tabletmag.com
The COVID Class War - Cause & Consequences
Discover the COVID class war between progressives and conservatives. Learn how lockdowns impact business owners and working professionals.
www.tabletmag.com
I was previously in the affordable housing business. I detailed in a previous post why it doesn't work in California. It would be easier to find a Unicorn than to build substantial affordable housing in California.
Subsidized housing is just liberals buying indulgences. They pass laws that make it illegal to build homes, then spend billions of dollars on housing subsidies to make themselves feel better about forcing their neighbors into slums. The subsidies don’t work, but they do make it look like you care.
I’m not taking about subsidized housing. I’m talking about rezoning. It’s free, and it actually solves the problem.
And yes, you can rezone my neighborhood, too.
So packing thousands of people into a high-rise with minimal ways to get up and down without interacting with others is going to solve the problem? So why was there such a high vacancy rate in New York City during this whole pandemic? We can go back-and-forth all day we obviously have a very different opinion on housing and Covid policy. Which is fine.
Agreed
Fortunately in my neighborhood and a vast majority of LA County the water table doesn’t allow the support structure needed for many of the high-rise buildings. I guess it’s a benefit of living near the beach.
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You can’t put the pieces together on your own? Tight quarters + essential workers + many service industry workers = ?
You sure about that? The water table in Chicago or Dubai is a feet feet down. Last I checked, they have a few tall buildings.
Yeah, but you can't do anything about the remaining factors. They are already baked into the cake. "Have a better housing policy" is not a support for NPIs for COVID.
Who said housing policy was an argument for NPI?
It only comes up because you keep using LA as an example of NPI failure. LA is an example of partial NPI success being drowned out by an even larger housing policy failure.
They know what we're all doing, 24/7.
That's what's so sad about your argument. Your idea of "success" is that 50% of LA came down with it, despite the strictist in the nation standard employed by Los Angeles, at a tremendous cost to children, small businesses, homelessness, crime and poverty. If this is success, wow!
The conclusion would be that given the tremendous cost, maybe Los Angeles shouldn't have done much of anything....how much worse could it get....Stockholm? New York City? The other conclusion from it would be maybe these NPIs are fruitless in large mega cities, which were doomed anyways, but maybe could have made a difference in places like the Dakotas...given Finland, Estonia, and Norway I doubt it, but maybe.
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Ask New Yorkers.