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LMAO, I just realized that you've taken exception to me characterizing your position as a "regime" ... in reply to you, where you actually say
Thanks - I needed a good laugh.
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LMAO, I just realized that you've taken exception to me characterizing your position as a "regime" ... in reply to you, where you actually say
Thanks - I needed a good laugh.
Soccer Bum 06
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Not surprising.
Scott m Shurson
SILVER ELITE
I’m a 3rd Strike fan, truth be told. 2 shots at rehab and then we take a shot at you.
Now stop stalling, I’m waiting for your solutions.
Scott m Shurson
SILVER ELITE
I just realized you dance around the ring for than Floyd Mayweather.
You have solutions or just criticisms?
More evidence that Coumo is a POS and complete con man. The coverup is as bad as the crime.
www.nytimes.com
N.Y. Severely Undercounted Virus Deaths in Nursing Homes, Report Says (Published 2021)
The state attorney general, Letitia James, said it’s likely that the Cuomo administration failed to report thousands of Covid-19 deaths of nursing home residents.
WHO Recommends Against Moderna, Pfizer Vaccines for Most Pregnant Women
The World Health Organization gave new guidance about Moderna’s Covid-19 vaccine this week, recommending generally against its use for most pregnant people, echoing similar guidance for the Pfizer and BioNTech shot.
www.wsj.com
WHO Recommends Against Moderna, Pfizer Vaccines for Most Pregnant Women
The World Health Organization gave new guidance about Moderna’s Covid-19 vaccine this week, recommending generally against its use for most pregnant people, echoing similar guidance for the Pfizer and BioNTech shot.
Also, I'm beginning to see a trickle of statements from a handful of large companies to their office worker employees about the vaccine. Most are saying they won't mandate it (no doubt because of the EU authorization) but even when vaccines are available and return to the office don't expect a return to normal (e.g., masks, travel/convention limits, restrictions on meetings and gatherings, illness screenings). I think this complicates things too because obviously now pregnant women may not be able to get vaccinated.
Good thread on why we are f'ed (including schools and sports) as long as substantial portions of the population (whether by refusal, ineligibility, or condition) remain unvaccinated. For all practical purposes, the emergency will be over by March due to vaccination of at risk population and declining numbers due to seasonality (though based on how Spain has acted, I think we might still get a 3rd wave sometime in March if we are unlucky). But as long as Newsom continues his current course, we are looking at issues in California into 2020 (unless the population finally says "enough")
kickingandscreaming
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Wow. On a related note, it looks like COVID not only took down Trump, it may take down Cuomo and Newsome. I guess the Rona doesn't really care about political affiliation. I am at least hoping the next group of elected leaders doesn't pander to the extremes and/or let the power go to their heads like these guys.
Hey Grace, please get the mess cleaned up in CA by late summer. Like Brumby, I would prefer to return.
On the bright side, these restrictions will be picked apart as things improve and our fearless leaders will spend countless cycles coming up with yet another new model that even they don't understand. If we don't get that 3rd wave in March, I give this model until April until it is "revised" or enforced with the same enthusiasm as our immigration rules. So much virtue signaling, so little leadership.
My one concern is that we may have missed the best vaccine strategy for bringing cases and deaths down. In SC county, it appears there are a few zip codes where R >> 1 and many where it is less than 1. If that is actually the case, we should have been focusing on getting people in those zip codes vaccinated first - or at least on a Level 1 tier and get the vaccines going in those areas. It will also likely address the inequity we are seeing in terms of who is getting the vaccine. To me, that's important but secondary to doing what is optimal to stop the virus.
Biden admin is vaccinating prisoners at Gitmo while at the same time seniors (including vets), teachers and police struggling to get vaccinated especially in places like California. Now I get it’s probably some boneheaded govt decision where they allocated a portion to the military and the military made a decision to vaccinate high risk places like prisons and no one thought hey maybe it looks bad if we vaccinated the 9/11 masterminds first. I don’t hold Biden anymore to account for this than I do trump and the masks debacle. But still the optics are terrible
whats worse is the uk is vaccinating the equivalent of 2.5 m per day if you compare population while we’ve inched up the target to 1.5m after the public and even partisan press loudly complained. I blame trump for not being more serious about the initial problem and not taking all hands on deck back last January. Similarly Biden’s had months now on the vaccine rollout and his strategy seems to be lets do trumps but better.
whats worse is the uk is vaccinating the equivalent of 2.5 m per day if you compare population while we’ve inched up the target to 1.5m after the public and even partisan press loudly complained. I blame trump for not being more serious about the initial problem and not taking all hands on deck back last January. Similarly Biden’s had months now on the vaccine rollout and his strategy seems to be lets do trumps but better.
Another reason why things might not improve....
a. the egg heads are thinking the new variants are more contagious for children. Children won't be fully vaccinated til 2022 at the earliest and it will be hard to mandate it before then. If true (a huge if since it's unclear how much of this is fear mongering and how much of it is a real concern), California and other blue state schools will (barring a major political upheavel) not return to normal until late 2022-early 2023 at the earliest.
b. more fear mongering re youth sports but it seems that's where some of them are headed so (barring a major political upheavel) possibly those are disrupted until summer 2022.
c. interestingly he disagrees with Fauci and the double masks.
a. the egg heads are thinking the new variants are more contagious for children. Children won't be fully vaccinated til 2022 at the earliest and it will be hard to mandate it before then. If true (a huge if since it's unclear how much of this is fear mongering and how much of it is a real concern), California and other blue state schools will (barring a major political upheavel) not return to normal until late 2022-early 2023 at the earliest.
b. more fear mongering re youth sports but it seems that's where some of them are headed so (barring a major political upheavel) possibly those are disrupted until summer 2022.
c. interestingly he disagrees with Fauci and the double masks.
kickingandscreaming
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Colorado is blue and it's nothing like CA right now in terms of restrictions - some indoor dining, never stopped outdoor dining, no significant restrictions on organized outdoor sporting activities (not that they really enforce it other than administratively in CA). And yet, CO is outperforming CA by a long shot. As dad4 says, it may well be due to population density differences, but if that's true, it implies the outdoor restrictions are useless. Let's face it. CA is "special".
Every time I hear the double mask thing I am reminded how the elites are out of touch with the masses. Sure, they'll get some support from the media, but it's just not going to fly unless things take an unexpected turn for the worse. If things keep improving, it's going to get harder to enforce the existing requirements.
Ive always considered Colorado (like New Mexico and New Hampshire) a light blue state...blue politics thanks to Denver but still with a western heart. If freedonia and the peoples republic of equity ever divorce Colorado New Mexico and Arizona will all have a hard time deciding which to join. New Hampshire Vermont and Maine have a similar dynamic. Bizarro world though is Virginia where you can go from blm bumper stickers in Arlington/Alexandria and find confederate flags by the time you hit the border with North Carolina....Virginia (along with southern Illinois and Northern California) would be ground zero of ugliness.
Still wrong on the importance of youth vaccination for covid.
My kids will get it when available, but the lack of an under 16 shot isn't a show stopper. A vaccinated adult population will still drive R below 1. That is enough
Heck, we are below 1 now. We just need to keep below 1 while the rest of us get vaccinated.
agree again that’s the factual reality. I think you and I both concur the emergency will for all practical purposes be over by March-April. My point is the experts in team panic (and the teachers unions) seem to want to use the lack of availability of a childhood vaccine to prolong restrictions. For example, lausd is already planning contingencies which include in person hybrid in the fall to limit the number of kids on campus. Also the California tier system is sensitive That a vaccine refusal rate of 1/4-1/3 will mean there will be periodic low level outbreaks in the fall and they can’t make it mandatory until the eu label removed
you are citing facts but as the lockdowns have shown politics isn’t necessarily concerned with facts. How quickly things return to normal is purely a political question which in turn depends on whether folks like my sons godmother or the in-laws stop panicking despite the lack of a kids vaccine. The article seems like an attempt to gin up panic which we are hearing about variants, variants being more deadly to kids, and sports being uniquely dangerous. my sons private school for example has been told and is prepping the parents already for face masks being mandatory into 2021-2022 school year. I can tell you also there are some that are concerned j&j only 65% effective and they don’t want it because it doesn’t guarantee they are safe. So the question is: when do those panicking now say enough and demand a return to normal?
with the caveat all bets are off if there’s a variant that mutates away from vaccines.
my sons godmother btw is the perfect rep for team panic (my younger brother and in-laws too). She and I were discussing the lausd plans (her daughter il is a mid level admin in special needs and esl planning) and vaccines Friday. Except for her daily walk (where she steps out of the way to avoid anyone in the streets), shlepping her mom around or going to the market/pharmacy she hasnt left the house since March. She’s in a full blown panic still even though she’s in her 40s, white, type o blood, no major health concerns except some early arthritis. She was in tears at the notion she might be forced into the j&j vaccine. I assured her it was safe and shown to reduce serious illness but she’s been so worked up (she kept saying fauci says) she worries about long term consequences of even mild illness and doesn’t want to take any risk whatsoever.
Panic over by April and masks until next June isn't so awful. Not sure if masks everywhere counts as back to normal, but I think that's where we are headed.
Still on track for orange in March.
Maybe Surf will be on for August. Maybe not. I'd trade it for a spring season at this point. Taking my normal in small doses.
Still on track for orange in March.
Maybe Surf will be on for August. Maybe not. I'd trade it for a spring season at this point. Taking my normal in small doses.
Here's another story. My father's an MD and my mother was a nurse practioner. We went up to their house to do our pharmacy/grocery run (boys do their grocery shopping while I pick up their scrip in the pharmacy). They've had first dose moderna. They've had trouble scheduling their second shot but it looks like they are going to get it on day 35. The boys were raking the leaves and I was enjoying a cocktail in the yard when he calls me over facetime to discuss something serious. He said I and my brothers need to prepare for them to be recluses from now on. He's very scared about the virus mutating away from the vaccines and ever getting sick because of it's serious consequences. My mouth hit the floor...my first question was did you discuss this with mom (she's a high e, while he's a mid level i). But nope, he's very serious because of all the talk about the new variants and despite being a doc and knowing the science, is scared out of his mind. Have initiated discussions with my siblings about staging an intervention. Part of his reasoning is if masks are necessary that means it's still not safe.
Then there's this gem......
www.latimes.com
New clinical trials raise fears the coronavirus is learning how to resist vaccines
Researchers once believed t would take months or even years for the virus to develop resistance to vaccines. The speedy evolution is largely a result of the virus' unchecked spread.
www.latimes.com