Bad News Thread

[watfly]

Its a very conservative premise with an unfortunate name. Basically, assuming budgets are fixed, money should be rechanneled to deal with the root cause of issues, i.e. be proactive, versus the result of issues, i.e. be reactive. If the root cause remedies have positive results, then, over time, government spending and therefore taxes can be reduced. What could be more conservative than that! Society also benefits in every way.

Keep in mind that the US spends more than $100B annually on policing, and close to the same on incarceration.

With all due respect you're putting a very generous spin on "defund the police". To quote AOC:

“Defunding police means defunding police,” Ms. Ocasio-Cortez said. “It does not mean budget tricks or funny math.”

Now I'm pretty sure you don't want to be defined by AOC, but there are many liberals with significant influence who mean "defund" when they say "defund". I agree with you that throwing money at police doesn't solve the problem, its like throwing money at schools without accountability. But taking money away from the police certainly is counter productive. Some good faith reforms and better accountability and transparency is where we need to start. Bad cops need to be off the street for the benefit of all Americans regardless of race.

 

[Hüsker Dü]

OK so you can take your argument up with the CDC as well…Guess you’re just smarter than your experts.

“ Meanwhile, evidence mounts of the social, emotional and academic toll remote learning has taken on children, especially in already vulnerable, low-income communities.”

CDC Makes The Case For Schools Reopening

Federal researchers say, with proper safety precautions, schools don't seem to fuel outbreaks, with some exceptions such as indoor sports practices.

www.npr.org

Did we blame the crack problem on social economic pressures? Can we blame opioid addiction on social, economic and academic issues? Adding complications always makes things tougher, this is life.

 

[Hüsker Dü]

Like a pussy who trolls a youth soccer message board and insults parents about the effects of a mental disorder which is obvious you know nothing about about. That kind of pussy?

Are you crying? Wipe your face off and be a man.

 

[Kicker4Life]

Did we blame the crack problem on social economic pressures? Can we blame opioid addiction on social, economic and academic issues? Adding complications always makes things tougher, this is life.

Thanks for further proving for us that you truly don’t know what you don’t know and try to shame everyone into your narrative. What grade are your kids in again? Cause I know you from the old forum too and back then you had olders. So you likely don’t have kids in K-12 so have NO IDEA how this has impacted them.

 

[espola]

Again it doesn't make sense. A civil war assumes the breakdown of law. In the US Civil War, for example, had the south won they would have said their rebellion was legal (same, BTW, as the American Revolution...was that legal?). The North won, so the South's actions were treason. There is no "legal" in a civil war situation because legality assumes the monopoly of force that the state has. The state has the sole right to exercise violence to punish right and wrong. In a civil war or revolution that monopoly has broken down and been replaced by factional violence.

That's separate and apart from the question of whether something is moral, since morality and legality are separate question.

Wow you are in a Rashomon situation again and you don't even know it.

What would be moral about your supposed civil war?

BTW, the patriots of the Revolutionary War knew that what they were doing was illegal, and that what they were doing risked all.

"we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor." Would you like me to look up the source of that for you?

"We must all hang together or surely we will all hang separately" -- attributed to Benjamin Franklin.

No whining there about how their rights had been trampled by efforts to control a pandemic.

 

[Grace T.]

What would be moral about your supposed civil war?

BTW, the patriots of the Revolutionary War knew that what they were doing was illegal, and that what they were doing risked all.

"we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor." Would you like me to look up the source of that for you?

"We must all hang together or surely we will all hang separately" -- attributed to Benjamin Franklin.

No whining there about how their rights had been trampled by efforts to control a pandemic.

I'm not seeing much disagreement here between us. The only real difference is that I regard the lockdowns as immoral, while you don't, which I don't think is exactly a "classical conservative" thing unless you mean the classical conservatism of the English monarchical system pre-Glorious Revolution (again, your definition may vary because so far I'm only seeing a crazy pen guy as an attempt to define it, and Nixon which you trotted out before).

 

[Grace T.]

What would be moral about your supposed civil war?

BTW, the patriots of the Revolutionary War knew that what they were doing was illegal, and that what they were doing risked all.

"we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor." Would you like me to look up the source of that for you?

"We must all hang together or surely we will all hang separately" -- attributed to Benjamin Franklin.

No whining there about how their rights had been trampled by efforts to control a pandemic.

"we must meet the threat with our blood, our valor, indeed with our very lives, to ensure that human civilization, not insect, dominates this galaxy now and always"

 

[whatithink]

Yes, I do believe in more money on incarceration, but cemeteries and not prisons. Why? Because I’m tired of people, doing it the right way, being forced to suffer, compromise and otherwise deal with crime. And blaming police, or making excuses that XYZ criminal is a victim because his father wasn’t around, or his 3rd grade teacher didn’t inspire him, is bullshit. We all had choices to make.

So we agree on your 1st two paragraphs but I still don’t see any tangible solutions from you. Or is that just me being obtuse?

Not obtuse, just purposely provocative now with the "cemeteries and not prisons" trope. We certainly do all have choices, for some those are easy to make and few in number, for others, not so much so.

 

[espola]

"we must meet the threat with our blood, our valor, indeed with our very lives, to ensure that human civilization, not insect, dominates this galaxy now and always"

That's fiction. The American Revolution was not.

 

[whatithink]

With all due respect you're putting a very generous spin on "defund the police". To quote AOC:

“Defunding police means defunding police,” Ms. Ocasio-Cortez said. “It does not mean budget tricks or funny math.”

Now I'm pretty sure you don't want to be defined by AOC, but there are many liberals with significant influence who mean "defund" when they say "defund". I agree with you that throwing money at police doesn't solve the problem, its like throwing money at schools without accountability. But taking money away from the police certainly is counter productive. Some good faith reforms and better accountability and transparency is where we need to start. Bad cops need to be off the street for the benefit of all Americans regardless of race.

I don't pay any attention to AOC.

 

[Grace T.]

That's fiction. The American Revolution was not.

Poor Magoo. Can't even tell when he's being mocked.

 

[Scott m Shurson]

Not obtuse, just purposely provocative now with the "cemeteries and not prisons" trope. We certainly do all have choices, for some those are easy to make and few in number, for others, not so much so.

Thats not provocative. Why should taxpayers fund convicts? Who pays your rent? Who buys your food? Who keeps your lights on? Who guarantees you medical care within 24 hours? Who paid for your college degree?

Maybe if these animals had to earn their keep like the rest of us, they’d be incentivized to find another career path. If not, there’s a ton of open land available and all you need is a shovel. Problem solved. Society is better off and you get to keep more of your money.

 

[Chelsea dad g09]

Are you crying? Wipe your face off and be a man.

Like I said, its easy to say shit on the internet. Not so much in person.

 

[espola]

Poor Magoo. Can't even tell when he's being mocked.

I can tell when you are trying to run away from your previous statements.

And that was Thomas Jefferson you were mocking.

 

[whatithink]

Thats not provocative. Why should taxpayers fund convicts? Who pays your rent? Who buys your food? Who keeps your lights on? Who guarantees you medical care within 24 hours? Who paid for your college degree?

Maybe if these animals had to earn their keep like the rest of us, they’d be incentivized to find another career path. If not, there’s a ton of open land available and all you need is a shovel. Problem solved. Society is better off and you get to keep more of your money.

Funny man, so you are going for a zero tolerance regime. So what's the rule again, if the sentence involves prison, then we just take them out back and off them? Is that any crime that involves prison, or just for some crimes (or some people)?

 

[Grace T.]

I can tell when you are trying to run away from your previous statements.

And that was Thomas Jefferson you were mocking.

Nah it was you because of your earlier fascist remark. Still can't tell up or down, can you? The glasses would come in handy.

 

[Scott m Shurson]

Funny man, so you are going for a zero tolerance regime. So what's the rule again, if the sentence involves prison, then we just take them out back and off them? Is that any crime that involves prison, or just for some crimes (or some people)?

No, I’m going for the “15th time in jail?” Regime. You’ve shown your character. Good luck in the next life.

I know that will frustrate all the dummies that still believe there are people in prison for smoking weed, but the world is full of idiots.

 

[whatithink]

No, I’m going for the “15th time in jail?” Regime. You’ve shown your character. Good luck in the next life.

I know that will frustrate all the dummies that still believe there are people in prison for smoking weed, but the world is full of idiots.

Wow, 15 times. You are a patient and tolerant individual.

 

[Glitterhater]

"You've done it again, Magoo, you old chap!"

I am so tired that I thought this said "You old CRAP"

 

[Grace T.]

I am so tired that I thought this said "You old CRAP"

I'd never call espola that. I love him too much for that....the same way one would love a crazy old uncle one only sees at Thanksgiving who goes off on alien conspiracies and how the young generation is all lost.