Bad News Thread

Now we all know why NY is hot mess. No one is afraid of Rona. I say let's use this group as a big test in the Big Apple. Lock them all up in one big cell and see WHO gets IT and see how it spreads with young people.

NYC sheriffs bust at least 164 maskless revelers at ‘illegal’ nightclub
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Fed's are getting the vaccine rollout wrong. There's no reason Marco Rubio or AOC should be getting the vaccine now. They should be moving from 75+ and then down every tier every 10 years.....you can prioritize essential workers and harder hit minorities within those tiers if you like but there's no reason a 20 year old police officer should get it before a 65 year old person shut in their house. Lawyers in 1c is funny....lawyers apparently more valuable than hair dressers. Downs young adult who are dying at an incredibly high rate should have been prioritized in front of lawyers.


From realpolitik reasoning the younger citizens, those who have more life to lose, should get the vaccine first. There is probably a statistical balance between prioritizing those most at risk and those with the most to lose. Disciples of John Nash can try to find an equilibrium point, if it doesn't drive them crazy.
 
Also an interesting read as they’ve finally released places of outbreaks in San Diego.

Interesting results. Be curious to know for restaurants the breakdown of indoor vs. outdoor and staff vs customer breakouts. For November cases (case breakdown was provided only for November, totals were only provided for # of breakouts), Walmart, Target, Costco ranked 1, 5, 7 for source of infections. Only one restaurant, Olive Garden at #14, was noted in the top 15 for cases in November.

Of course, this study doesn't report on "at home" breakouts since it only accounts for those infected that weren't close contacts.
 

Not that it should surprise anyone... casinos are an issue. @dad4
So 630 cases out of close to 130k for the San Diego area? ie about 1/2 of 1% of all cases are tied to casinos.

Also per the article "To say that a case is linked with a location means that a person was there within two weeks of being diagnosed with COVID-19. It does not mean that the person contracted the virus at the location or infected anyone else there."

So the question one would ask is do they count multiple locations? IE if a person went to Target, then Olive Garden, then the Casino. Do they all get associated with "an outbreak" or do they just pick one?
 
From realpolitik reasoning the younger citizens, those who have more life to lose, should get the vaccine first. There is probably a statistical balance between prioritizing those most at risk and those with the most to lose. Disciples of John Nash can try to find an equilibrium point, if it doesn't drive them crazy.
I would agree that we should vaccinate children first if the virus was equally lethal across age groups. However, given that the unadjusted death rate for the group aged 75+ is over 1900x greater than age 0-4 and over 3500x greater than age 5-17, it’s hard to argue with 75+ before children. I assume unadjusted means recorded cases only which makes it likely it’s even considerably higher than the multipliers above. Check my math at the link below.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/201...s-discovery/hospitalization-death-by-age.html
 
Also an interesting read as they’ve finally released places of outbreaks in San Diego.



So, basically wherever people go to work....it's really no surprise Tom Cruise was ranting at his crew......you work, you socialize....it's human nature.
 
I would agree that we should vaccinate children first if the virus was equally lethal across age groups. However, given that the unadjusted death rate for the group aged 75+ is over 1900x greater than age 0-4 and over 3500x greater than age 5-17, it’s hard to argue with 75+ before children. I assume unadjusted means recorded cases only which makes it likely it’s even considerably higher than the multipliers above. Check my math at the link below.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/201...s-discovery/hospitalization-death-by-age.html

There are many factors to consider - expected lifetime without covid, the numbers of each age group, societal/moral considerations, etc. In any event, I would vote in favor of my adult children getting a spot in line ahead of me.
 
There are many factors to consider - expected lifetime without covid, the numbers of each age group, societal/moral considerations, etc. In any event, I would vote in favor of my adult children getting a spot in line ahead of me.
Completely understand your position here. I think many (most?) parents will feel the same way. Your adult children will also be at considerably higher risk than children under 18.

Yes, definitely many factors. The only strong opinion I have is to get it to as many people as possible, as soon as possible. Treat it like boarding groups on a plane - keep it rolling. If people are reluctant when the time comes for their group, they can wait and come for the vaccine later.
 
So 630 cases out of close to 130k for the San Diego area? ie about 1/2 of 1% of all cases are tied to casinos.

Also per the article "To say that a case is linked with a location means that a person was there within two weeks of being diagnosed with COVID-19. It does not mean that the person contracted the virus at the location or infected anyone else there."

So the question one would ask is do they count multiple locations? IE if a person went to Target, then Olive Garden, then the Casino. Do they all get associated with "an outbreak" or do they just pick one?
The casino relationship does not surprise me. I will never forget the time I was at a Casino in Norcal called "Cache Creek", a dude was sitting in between two slot machines, playing one with his hand and the other with his bare assed foot- repulsive.
 
COVID-19 spurs families to shun nursing homes in a shift that appears long lasting

A Place for mom?
The pandemic is reshaping the way Americans care for their elderly, prompting family decisions to avoid nursing homes and keep loved ones in their own homes for rehabilitation and other care.

Americans have long relied on institutions to care for the frailest seniors. The U.S. has the largest number of nursing-home residents in the world. But families and some doctors have been reluctant to send patients to such facilities, fearing infection and isolation in places ravaged by Covid-19, which has caused more than 115,000 deaths linked to U.S. long-term-care institutions.

War veteran just died all alone in isolation. He was held captive in war and had PTSD and our country kept him isolated, like a prisoner. Complete BS!!! No one could visit him as he died all alone with no family. A place for dad? No visiting Angels visited him in his last days of ISOLATION!!!!!

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Attention Everyone. OC is getting hit hard in nursing homes. I said this before and I will say it again. My friend wife is a nurse for the elderly. She say's they are very lonely and isolation. Most of the patients she see's have no kids or their kids are on the East Coast or they hate their parent. It's called reality. These places are not a place for mom, MOO. They make up so many of the deaths in OC.

OC Register
Nursing homes
and assisted living facilities are getting hit hard by the latest surge of Orange County’s COVID-19 cases, with this month’s infection of residents and workers there accounting for 26% of all such cases during the 10-month-long pandemic.
 
Thankfully our "leaders" in Washington have a plan with their new covid bill.


The 5,593 page budget-busting bill was posted online Monday afternoon, only hours before House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said a vote would be held.

For some countries, Christmas came early:

  • $169,739,000 to Vietnam, including $19 million to remediate dioxins (page 1476).
  • Unspecified funds to “continue support for not-for-profit institutions of higher education in Kabul, Afghanistan that are accessible to both women and men in a coeducational environment” (page 1477).
  • $198,323,000 to Bangladesh, including $23.5 million to support Burmese refugees and $23.3 million for “democracy programs” (page 1485).
  • $130,265,000 to Nepal for “development and democracy programs” (page 1485).
  • Pakistan: $15 million for “democracy programs” and $10 million for “gender programs” (page 1486).
  • Sri Lanka: Up to $15 million “for the refurbishing of a high endurance cutter,” which is a type of patrol boat (page 1489).
  • $505,925,000 to Belize, Costa Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Nicaragua, and Panama to “address key factors that contribute to the migration of unaccompanied, undocumented minors to the United States” (pages 1490-1491).
  • $461,375,000 to Colombia for programs related to counternarcotics and human rights (pages 1494-1496).
  • $74.8 million to the “Caribbean Basin Security Initiative” (page 1498).
  • $33 million “for democracy programs for Venezuela” (page 1498).
  • Unspecified amount to Colombia, Peru, Ecuador, Curacao, and Trinidad and Tobago “for assistance for communities in countries supporting or otherwise impacted by refugees from Venezuela” (page 1499).
  • $132,025,000 “for assistance for Georgia” (page 1499).
  • $453 million “for assistance for Ukraine” (page 1500).

Also here is a link that shows other important covid related spending in the new bill.

 
Thankfully our "leaders" in Washington have a plan with their new covid bill.


The 5,593 page budget-busting bill was posted online Monday afternoon, only hours before House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said a vote would be held.

For some countries, Christmas came early:

  • $169,739,000 to Vietnam, including $19 million to remediate dioxins (page 1476).
  • Unspecified funds to “continue support for not-for-profit institutions of higher education in Kabul, Afghanistan that are accessible to both women and men in a coeducational environment” (page 1477).
  • $198,323,000 to Bangladesh, including $23.5 million to support Burmese refugees and $23.3 million for “democracy programs” (page 1485).
  • $130,265,000 to Nepal for “development and democracy programs” (page 1485).
  • Pakistan: $15 million for “democracy programs” and $10 million for “gender programs” (page 1486).
  • Sri Lanka: Up to $15 million “for the refurbishing of a high endurance cutter,” which is a type of patrol boat (page 1489).
  • $505,925,000 to Belize, Costa Rica, El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Nicaragua, and Panama to “address key factors that contribute to the migration of unaccompanied, undocumented minors to the United States” (pages 1490-1491).
  • $461,375,000 to Colombia for programs related to counternarcotics and human rights (pages 1494-1496).
  • $74.8 million to the “Caribbean Basin Security Initiative” (page 1498).
  • $33 million “for democracy programs for Venezuela” (page 1498).
  • Unspecified amount to Colombia, Peru, Ecuador, Curacao, and Trinidad and Tobago “for assistance for communities in countries supporting or otherwise impacted by refugees from Venezuela” (page 1499).
  • $132,025,000 “for assistance for Georgia” (page 1499).
  • $453 million “for assistance for Ukraine” (page 1500).

Also here is a link that shows other important covid related spending in the new bill.

Ahh, our government bamboozling the masses again. The appropriations package was going to pass anyway, with our without the covid bill tacked on.

Lobbyist write these packages. Obscure consulting groups all over the world will make a killing as they make sure our tax payer dollars are being spent "wisely" in places like Vietnam, Burma, Belize...etc, etc...

Nothing to see here, move it along, here's your $600 (if you qualify for it).
 
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