Bad News Thread

[Grace T.]

The newest front in the vaccine wars....some people feel it is important to level the playing field and make sure white privilege is checked.....

The Elderly vs. Essential Workers: Who Should Get the Coronavirus Vaccine First? (Published 2020)

The C.D.C. will soon decide which group to recommend next, and the debate over the trade-offs is growing heated. Ultimately, states will determine whom to include.

www.nytimes.com

 

[crush]

I probably shouldn't, but I derive quite a bit of enjoyment by seeing these sanctimonious a-holes, that prey on the weak, get their comeuppance.

It's ok bro, some of these guys prey on sheep that need help. I was a sheep when I was 18. My mom moved out to Indio and told me I could live in her trailer or go on my own. She took me to 18 and that was the deal she made with the State of California. So I told her thanks for all the love and care but I'll stay in OC. I got lonely and fearful of the unknown being all on my own. No money and no help. So I went to a church called ___________________ in Anaheim. Neighbor invited me. These dudes were like Hells Angels for Christ on Bikes. That was my first rodeo in the Evangelical movement. They also helped the homeless and had houses called, "The House of Peter" and "House of Timothy and Paul." One of the Pastor got busted for sleeping around so I bailed after that.

 

[Grace T.]

What’s going on in Europe?

Spain, which has always run ahead of everyone, seems to be in a third wave. If true that’s not great news for us since half the country is still in the middle of the second.

the Uk after having numbers drop initially due to government restrictions now has the numbers rising again. Interestingly youth soccer had been suspended at the start of the second lockdowns but resumed this last week.

Germany’s numbers continue to look grim and unlike France government actions have not curbed rising cases (perhaps because they got largely spared the first wave)

this leads me to a hunch: lockdowns work but only if they have limited exceptions...socialization is the main form of transmission so only by forcing people to stay home so you have an impact (which is why Los Angeles restaurant/school shutdowns and masks haven’t worked...people still out shopping and working....as the Tom cruise rant shows if people work they are out socializing). Partial lockdowns aren’t enough to change the directions of curves. The other problems with lockdowns is that like in the uk and spain you can’t keep them up forever so they have to be targeted and timed to hit the worst of the curves for a limited amount of weeks (the exact opposite of California’s approach)

 

[crush]

What’s going on in Europe?

Spain, which has always run ahead of everyone, seems to be in a third wave. If true that’s not great news for us since half the country is still in the middle of the second.

the Uk after having numbers drop initially due to government restrictions now has the numbers rising again. Interestingly youth soccer had been suspended at the start of the second lockdowns but resumed this last week.

Germany’s numbers continue to look grim and unlike France government actions have not curbed rising cases (perhaps because they got largely spared the first wave)

this leads me to a hunch: lockdowns work but only if they have limited exceptions...socialization is the main form of transmission so only by forcing people to stay home so you have an impact (which is why Los Angeles restaurant/school shutdowns and masks haven’t worked...people still out shopping and working....as the Tom cruise rant shows if people work they are out socializing). Partial lockdowns aren’t enough to change the directions of curves. The other problems with lockdowns is that like in the uk and spain you can’t keep them up forever so they have to be targeted and timed to hit the worst of the curves for a limited amount of weeks (the exact opposite of California’s approach)

Tier 4 the UK

 

[crush]

What’s going on in Europe?

Spain, which has always run ahead of everyone, seems to be in a third wave. If true that’s not great news for us since half the country is still in the middle of the second.

the Uk after having numbers drop initially due to government restrictions now has the numbers rising again. Interestingly youth soccer had been suspended at the start of the second lockdowns but resumed this last week.

Germany’s numbers continue to look grim and unlike France government actions have not curbed rising cases (perhaps because they got largely spared the first wave)

this leads me to a hunch: lockdowns work but only if they have limited exceptions...socialization is the main form of transmission so only by forcing people to stay home so you have an impact (which is why Los Angeles restaurant/school shutdowns and masks haven’t worked...people still out shopping and working....as the Tom cruise rant shows if people work they are out socializing). Partial lockdowns aren’t enough to change the directions of curves. The other problems with lockdowns is that like in the uk and spain you can’t keep them up forever so they have to be targeted and timed to hit the worst of the curves for a limited amount of weeks (the exact opposite of California’s approach)

Yes, and if they dont obey ole Tommy boy, he will fire their asses, those stupid Motherfuddrukers. Loser quit after the second yells and put downs. Dudes at the strip joint refused to wear a mask the cops said so they got shot?

 

[crush]

Attention Walmart Shoppers. The third wave is now here. Please be nice and order take out from one of the mom & pops food joints down in da city. Their hurting and can use a little Christmas cheer ((Angelos Cheese Burgers in Encinites closed????)). I talked to one owner WHO has to sit all his customers in the freaking street, where cars go by. Orange cones letting the fast cars know people are eating in the street now. He told me he will probably shut her down unless we have a REVOLUTION!!!! Insane what I saw downtown Encinites. My family and I had to share a bench looking over moon beach so we could eat. Mask on everywhere btw so good job Enceintes

Now we all know who is out to get us, right?

 

[Desert Hound]

 

[crush]

California isn't the only place people are running away from. The streets of London were like LA in the old days last night. Everyone is leaving.....

"Trying To Get The Hell Out" - Emergency Lockdown In London Triggers Mass Exodus

Winter of Darkness starts tomorrow.

 

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Lockdowns don’t work? California seems to just be following the same policies Europe is instituting. Globalism and group think at its best. Then blame the people for not complying when the already proven failed policies don’t work after multiple lockdowns. Insanity at it finest. I wonder if the governor has anyone in the room with a differing thought on how to fight this or just a bunch of political hacks trying to figure out how to make him look like he led us in the right direction after so many poor decisions. Seems like this state is led by a band of fools.

 

[crush]

Lockdowns don’t work? California seems to just be following the same policies Europe is instituting. Globalism and group think at its best. Then blame the people for not complying when the already proven failed policies don’t work after multiple lockdowns. Insanity at it finest. I wonder if the governor has anyone in the room with a differing thought on how to fight this or just a bunch of political hacks trying to figure out how to make him look like he led us in the right direction after so many poor decisions. Seems like this state is led by a band of fools.

STFU asshat GTFO!!!! Stop disobeying the rules and obey and you can live. All the new colors we added to the goal posts we move when you kick one down the middle. Opps, you missed. Please try again. I know with the last miss your biz is all over and your just a SOL, just like the lady who painted faces for a living. You can;t come within 6 feet of a face without mask. So she got EDD and now she is being told she has to pay half of it back because she used "gross" not "net" to claim her prize. So she can;t work at all and now she has to pay back her loan from state, that she thought they were trying to help her out. Nope, loan with interest and no way to pay back unless she get's job at Grub Up.

 

[crush]

OC is breaking records, right before Winter of Dark.

Coronavirus: Orange County reported an all-time daily high of 3,445 new cases as of Dec. 19

Of the cumulative 1,760 deaths reported from the virus, 626 were skilled nursing facility residents, 159 were in assisted living facilities and four were listed as homeless.

The county’s breakdown of deaths by age is as follows: 75% of the deaths are over 70. 1 kid under 17 died and they had cancer.

• 85 and older: 33.07% (582)
• 75-84: 21.99% (387)
• 65-74: 19.72% (347)
• 55-64: 13.96% (241)
• 45-54: 6.18% (130)
• 35-44: 2.42% (42)
• 25-34: 1.39% (24)
• 18-24: 0.23% (5)
• 17 and younger: 0.06% (1)

 

[watfly]

Lockdowns don’t work? California seems to just be following the same policies Europe is instituting. Globalism and group think at its best. Then blame the people for not complying when the already proven failed policies don’t work after multiple lockdowns. Insanity at it finest. I wonder if the governor has anyone in the room with a differing thought on how to fight this or just a bunch of political hacks trying to figure out how to make him look like he led us in the right direction after so many poor decisions. Seems like this state is led by a band of fools.

If lockdowns ever worked, to whatever extent, they have completely lost their effectiveness in large part to how they have been implemented (ie arbitrary dictates} and the "do as I say, not as I do" attitude of those that dictated the mandates. They also have lost effectiveness simply as a function of time (ie lockdown fatigue}. Let's be honest, how many people predicted in March that we would be in this situation in December. (Queue responses that its people like me that have caused us to be in our current situation).

 

[crush]

If lockdowns ever worked, to whatever extent, they have completely lost their effectiveness in large part to how they have been implemented (ie arbitrary dictates} and the "do as I say, not as I do" attitude of those that dictated the mandates. They also have lost effectiveness simply as a function of time (ie lockdown fatigue}. Let's be honest, how many people predicted in March that we would be in this situation in December. (Queue responses that its people like me that have caused us to be in our current situation).

Winter of Darkness has to have hell in it bro and nothing like not knowing how you will pay rent next month to add to hells fire. No job and no way for food is gasoline to the fire. The sh*t is about to hit the fan. Once it does, go towards the Light. Everyone has to be in the darkness in order to see the Light. Most folks EDD will be over with in a few weeks. Eviction notices will be coming out soon after that. Owners of these evictions have been paying the bank on time this whole time and they need to find someone who has a job so they can get paid and not carry the burden of owning three extra homes. Need to kick out the bums who lost their jobs and throw them in the street. Maybe a Fema House out in 29 Palm? All because your non essential and Tom Cruise and his movie is the most important waiver issued. Loan from the state has to be paid back for face paint lady and she's not the only one who just found out they actually got a loan with interest, not a helping hand. Plus, no job to go look for work. Seriously, no job, no money to pay for things and no one to help, just loan the idiot loser with interest. I'm sure if you can;t pay, their find community service job out in Barstow.

 

[happy9]

If lockdowns ever worked, to whatever extent, they have completely lost their effectiveness in large part to how they have been implemented (ie arbitrary dictates} and the "do as I say, not as I do" attitude of those that dictated the mandates. They also have lost effectiveness simply as a function of time (ie lockdown fatigue}. Let's be honest, how many people predicted in March that we would be in this situation in December. (Queue responses that its people like me that have caused us to be in our current situation).

In terms of hospital capacity, is it a function of CA just not having enough hospital beds to begin with compared to their population.

I don't have a link as proof but have heard that CA has about 80,000 beds to care for a population of over 40M. FL has a population of 22M with about 55,000 beds. I know crazy talk about rationing care makes people freak out, but the bed to population ratio in CA is a bit off. I'm sure there is surge capacity. There is a public health planner somewhere starting to panic at these numbers.

 

[Desert Hound]

 

[crush]

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[Grace T.]

If lockdowns ever worked, to whatever extent, they have completely lost their effectiveness in large part to how they have been implemented (ie arbitrary dictates} and the "do as I say, not as I do" attitude of those that dictated the mandates. They also have lost effectiveness simply as a function of time (ie lockdown fatigue}. Let's be honest, how many people predicted in March that we would be in this situation in December. (Queue responses that its people like me that have caused us to be in our current situation).

I've come around to the idea that the effectiveness of lockdowns really don't have any relation to indoor dining, or worship houses, or soccer tournaments. or retail. Really, I think when it gets down to it it is a function of mobility. The more out and about a population is, the higher the risk of transmission. I think it's that simple. That explains why Belgium and the Neatherlands began to inflect before lockdowns went into effect (because people freaked out and stopped socializing before hand) and why California is still going up despite the governor's hypocritical measures (Los Angeles freeways are still packed). It explains why the Australian lockdowns worked, and why the UK lockdowns had the strange results they did this second time around.

Some of us have been saying that the end result of trying to perpetually lockdown was that lockdowns would lose their effectiveness. Some of us argued we should be open in the summer (notwithstanding the small summer SoCal mini surge) and preserve our bullets for when they were most needed. One group of people wanted perpetual lockdowns and "keep people safe". One group of people wanted it to be done with. As a result, we got neither. And the politicians anytime the situation gets worse feel they need to do something-- so they do idiotic things with low resistance as opposed to things which might make a difference but require more political risk.

 

[Grace T.]

Fed's are getting the vaccine rollout wrong. There's no reason Marco Rubio or AOC should be getting the vaccine now. They should be moving from 75+ and then down every tier every 10 years.....you can prioritize essential workers and harder hit minorities within those tiers if you like but there's no reason a 20 year old police officer should get it before a 65 year old person shut in their house. Lawyers in 1c is funny....lawyers apparently more valuable than hair dressers. Downs young adult who are dying at an incredibly high rate should have been prioritized in front of lawyers.

CDC panel says frontline essential workers, people 75 years and older should get Covid vaccine next

"We are faced with the situation, at least in the short term, where we have a limited supply of vaccine available to us," Dr. Nancy Messonnier of the CDC said.

www.cnbc.com

 

[kickingandscreaming]

Fed's are getting the vaccine rollout wrong. There's no reason Marco Rubio or AOC should be getting the vaccine now. They should be moving from 75+ and then down every tier every 10 years.....you can prioritize essential workers and harder hit minorities within those tiers if you like but there's no reason a 20 year old police officer should get it before a 65 year old person shut in their house. Lawyers in 1c is funny....lawyers apparently more valuable than hair dressers. Downs young adult who are dying at an incredibly high rate should have been prioritized in front of lawyers.

CDC panel says frontline essential workers, people 75 years and older should get Covid vaccine next

"We are faced with the situation, at least in the short term, where we have a limited supply of vaccine available to us," Dr. Nancy Messonnier of the CDC said.

www.cnbc.com

This isn't good news for getting back to normal anytime soon in CA. (links follow each).

Evidently, in Oregon, the vaccine is more complex than it is in Texas, Delaware, Puerto Rico, New York, and Colorado. In Houston, some don't like the virus's politics.

--- Oregon

In Texas, Delaware and Puerto Rico, hospitals gave their workers the shot just one day after getting the vaccine. New York and Colorado acted even quicker, administering the vaccine within hours of receiving it.

In Oregon, Legacy Health was the first hospital system to get the Pfizer vaccine. It arrived Monday. The hospital has yet to provide a timeline as to when it'll start the vaccinations.

On Tuesday, OHSU and Kaiser Permanente received their shipments. OHSU has said it'll start vaccinating its employees Wednesday, but Kaiser says it's waiting until Friday.

"This is a new vaccine, as I said, and it’s a complex vaccine," Dr. Katie Sharff, an infectious disease physician for Kaiser Permanente Northwest, said.

Oregon hospitals wait days to administer COVID-19 vaccine, Moderna vaccine expected soon

Health professionals across the country are getting their first COVID-19 vaccine this week, but hospitals in Oregon have yet to vaccinate their frontline workers. In Texas, Delaware and Puerto Rico, hospitals gave their workers the shot just one day after getting the vaccine. New York and...

katu.com

---- Houston

A Houston critical care doctor told NPR that more than half of the nurses in his unit won't get the COVID-19 vaccination.

"Most of the reasons why most of my people don't want to get the vaccine are politically motivated."

A Houston doctor said more than half the nurses in his unit won't get the COVID-19 vaccine for political reasons

Dr. Joseph Varon, of Houston's United Memorial Medical Center told NPR that the coronavirus has become a 'political toy.'

www.businessinsider.com

----- General Information

Some US healthcare workers refusing Covid vaccine out of fear | New Straits Times

SOME nurses and emergency-response workers have expressed reluctance to take the new coronavirus vaccine, a reflection of unease that US officials hope to overcome as they ramp up the nationwide immunisation effort.

www.nst.com.my

 

[crush]

OC is breaking records. No one is out and about and everyone I know is wearing a mask. Why so many cases?

On Sunday, county officials reported another 20,198 tests for the virus had been taken in the last day. Since testing began locally, more than 1.85 million tests have been taken. In Orange County there are now take-at-home saliva tests available to residents, along with in-person testing.

The county has tested an average of about 527 people per 100,000 residents in a week, an all-time high, according to the latest figures available.