Bad News Thread

“Children should not be vaccinated for the moment,” the WHO said. “There is not yet enough evidence on the use of vaccines against COVID-19 in children to make recommendations for children to be vaccinated against COVID-19. Children and adolescents tend to have milder disease compared to adults. However, children should continue to have the recommended childhood vaccines.”

The WHO’s guidance does not exactly correspond with that of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control, according to its website.
 
Grace T. said:
Looks like lausd next year will require masks even for vaccinated students and staff and covid testing every 2 weeks. Remote learning will continue to be an option for kids and staff that don’t want to go back due to health concerns.
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Can CA treat their children any worse? This can't possibly be true, can it? It's too late for them, but they should have been testing for the Howard Hughes virus. The tough thing about that one is that once you catch it, it appears to be a permanent condition.
 
kickingandscreaming said:
Can CA treat their children any worse? This can't possibly be true, can it? It's too late for them, but they should have been testing for the Howard Hughes virus. The tough thing about that one is that once you catch it, it appears to be a permanent condition.
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Dad has it for sure and many of my old pals have it as well. Gripped with fear plus OCD is not good for control freaks. I call it HHV bro. No known cure either except the one and only :)
 
dad4 said:
Zoom Ed only really works for highly motivated kids in low discussion fields. 12 year old in calc? Zoom is just fine. 16 year old in remedial English? Face to face.

I have a suspicion that LAUSD has more 16 year olds in remedial English than 12 year olds in Calc. Just a guess.
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Agreed. One of the negative outcomes for public schools due to COVID is that families with exceptional or at least exceptionally self-disciplined students will find they can accomplish much more outside of the public school system and will choose that path. It won't be a large percentage, but those leaving will be the top students.
 
crush said:
Dad has it for sure and many of my old pals have it as well. Gripped with fear plus OCD is not good for control freaks. I call it HHV bro. No known cure either except the one and only :)
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I believe @dad4 advocates for children being in school this fall. He and I disagree on what level of risk is acceptable and what level of authority should be used to enforce NPIs, but I don't find him to be irrational whereas, if this is true about LAUSD, I find that irrational.
 
dad4 said:
<why the experts didn’t recommend masks 5 years ago.>

From what I can tell, masks work pretty well at preventing me from breathing directly into the air that you breathe in. Masks work considerably less well as a filter, unless you go for the N95 type.

Because of this, the person protected by the mask is not the person wearing the mask. It’s the person in front of the person wearing the mask.

This makes masks hard to study. It’s easy enough to put masks on half your nurses, and then measure the rate of respiratory disease amongst them. This measures the ability of the mask to protect the wearer. Years ago, they ran several of these studies and found out that masks are not great at protecting the wearer. We ran our studies and found out that masks are only slightly effective against flu. Case closed. Time to put up the hand washing posters, because the hand washing studies were much more impressive.

This kind of stalled research on masks. We thought we knew the answer, and we were wrong. (Or half wrong. We were right about hand washing.)

I’m not really a save one life kind of person. I’m more of a save 100,000 lives kind of person. My opinion on masks this fall depends on whether Delta is likely to cause 10,000 or 100,000 deaths. If it is 10,000, do what you like. If it is 100,000, then bring out the masks this fall. If it is a million, then close down high risk indoor businesses.
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More words, same nonsense.
 
kickingandscreaming said:
I believe @dad4 advocates for children being in school this fall. He and I disagree on what level of risk is acceptable and what level of authority should be used to enforce NPIs, but I don't find him to be irrational whereas, if this is true about LAUSD, I find that irrational.
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I think LAUSD may have a subset of teachers who prefer zoom, so they are catering to that. If you're already phoning it in, zoom is the natural extension.

I have no problem with the mask requirement, even for vax. You can't run a school where half of kids have a rule and half do not.
 
dad4 said:
I think LAUSD may have a subset of teachers who prefer zoom, so they are catering to that. If you're already phoning it in, zoom is the natural extension.

I have no problem with the mask requirement, even for vax. You can't run a school where half of kids have a rule and half do not.
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How about freedom to choose as opposed to rules?
 
Grace T. said:
Looks like lausd next year will require masks even for vaccinated students and staff and covid testing every 2 weeks. Remote learning will continue to be an option for kids and staff that don’t want to go back due to health concerns.
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Criminal, not in the legal sense, but conceptually in terms of abuse of children. Pre-covid, if a parent had made their child wear a mask 8 hours a day which inhibits breathing, CPS would have been visiting them.

Grace had made the comment a few months ago, about how we used to put children (and women first). Now we put the burden on children for the benefit of adults. So vaccinated adults don't have to wear a mask at work, but children whose odds of getting sick combined with the odds of spreading the virus are slim to none. How completely F'ed up has our society become? If you had any question whether the large school districts have the best interest of our children in mind, the surely proves that they do not. Shameful.
 
kickingandscreaming said:
Agreed. One of the negative outcomes for public schools due to COVID is that families with exceptional or at least exceptionally self-disciplined students will find they can accomplish much more outside of the public school system and will choose that path. It won't be a large percentage, but those leaving will be the top students.
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Teaching to the lowest common denominator never works for the self-motivated and is partly why our country is in the position it is now. Playing to the lowest common denominator got us here.
 
Hüsker Dü said:
Teaching to the lowest common denominator never works for the self-motivated and is partly why our country is in the position it is now. Playing to the lowest common denominator got us here.
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The United States has always been adverse to tracking kids (I think it's one of the reasons we are so bad at tracking kids in sports....we are kind of half in and half out of the pool). It runs against the egalitarian strain in our society. But mostly, tracking would require us to accept that some kids cannot be saved (i.e., educated to the level we want them). The fact that many of those kids would be minorities further complicates things.
 
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