My point being several other states across this country were able to effectively open schools for in person learning, so it isn’t impossible.
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No, the sad thing is your proposed treatment of children and your denial of reality. Casting aspersions on our clubhouses that serve underprivileged kids that have nowhere else to go or can only go to other places that are less safe is incredibly arrogant. Sorry but you crossed the line. You know nothing about our programs and stop trying to hide behind the no contact tracing and asymptomatic spread speculative bullshit.
Hüsker Dü
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Common sense, and that ain’t to common in here.
Have you seen any major news stories over the past 12 months of massive breakouts in schools and people dropping like flies because they were catching Covid while in school?
We aren’t talking about a massive breakout of kids getting visibly sick. We are talking about asymptomatic kids giving covid to other asymptomatic kids, who then bring it home to grandma. The only visible link is the last one. We had the news articles about grandma dying.
What makes you think a journalist would be able to do the contact tracing to link it to the school? (as opposed to the dinner party, the restaurant, or the casino.)
I actually agree with you in regards to reimbursement. But I don't agree that it should be counted as a Covid hospitalization. As the article clearly states it grossly exaggerates the threat to children.
Bruddah IZ
DA
Starts with the use of PCR testing. Wrong test for determining presence of Corona. Right test for finding corona genetic sequences. Wrong test for determining how long those sequences have been in your boogers.
Cause Grandma was in quarantine, separated from her grandkids because she’s high risk….
Can we drop the asymptomatic spread theory now that we’re we know that is not a factor... pre-symptomatic yes, so still isolate/quarantine known exposures.
Analysis of Asymptomatic and Presymptomatic Transmission in SARS-CoV-2 Outbreak, Germany, 2020
Presymptomatic Transmission of SARS-CoV-2
wwwnc.cdc.gov
Do we believe that 14 year olds typically display more than mild to moderate flu symptoms?Can we drop the asymptomatic spread theory now that we’re we know that is not a factor... pre-symptomatic yes, so still isolate/quarantine known exposures.
Analysis of Asymptomatic and Presymptomatic Transmission in SARS-CoV-2 Outbreak, Germany, 2020
Presymptomatic Transmission of SARS-CoV-2
If no, then please replace the word "asymptomatic" with "sniffly". The basic argument is the same:
One moderately sniffly kid gives covid to a second kid, who gives covid to grandma just before he realizes that he has the sniffles.
Same problem for grandma.
Wishful thinking.
Can you name anywhere which successfully used quarantine to protect the elderly from a high rate of community transmission? Anywhere on the planet with high cases, no vaccine, but low deaths.....
If the answer is no, then maybe grandma wasn't quite so safe as you imply.
Nice hypothetical, sans the real world.
You’re assuming student A is sent to school with the ‘sniffles’, that the school does not notice and isolate the child and their cohort. Also, that they don’t notify student B of an exposure when they quarantine the cohort. Further that student B’s family still is in close contact with grandma in the midst of a pandemic when they shouldn’t be. Not to mention that you’re not considered contagious immediately after exposure.
The ‘basic’ argument is assuming the worst possible outcome with the least likely probability. Aka false.
Name somewhere that took the policy to shelter the elderly…..isn’t that what we’ve learned so far with the vaccine roll out….start with protecting the vulnerable and move on from there. Doesn’t the numbers reflect the benefits of that strategy?
Vaccinate the elderly worked. But that isn't what you said.
You said grandma was safe because she was in quarantine.
Is there anywhere in the world which used an elderly quarantine to get that result? Anywhere?
Cause the timeframe for students going back to school predates vaccine availability. But the strategy to “protect the vulnerable” whether by isolation or vaccination IS my point. It IS the best strategy that was never used…why?
Hell, the initial vaccine roll out didn’t include the elderly (most vulnerable) in the initial roll out….why?
With all do respect we are obviously talking in hypotheticals. Hypothetically, our kids weren’t stripped of a years with of education and in that hypothetical, we isolated the elderly and high risk population, took precautions by moving indoor dining outdoors and limited indoor capacity as warranted by the available science. The population wasn’t lied to (ok, mislead for our own good) by the National Covid spokesman and our economy and kids wouldn’t have suffered so much. Even more so, would have likely saved lives bay going this route…..hypothetically and all.
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Desert Hound
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Well the effects were not as you claimed at the time.
You are on record here saying it would lead to massive outbreaks if 100s of thousands of kids were in school.
We say FL basically have schools open all year long. Same in TX.
Etc.
What we didn't see is any outbreaks linked to schools that many like you predicted would happen.
Desert Hound
DA
We assume you are looking in the mirror talking to yourself?
Your hypothetical requires a level of trust we just didn’t have.
You don’t get good scientific advice by treating your scientists like contestants on the Apprentice. Last September, Fauci and the civil service staff were busy trying to avoid getting completely sidelined. They were in no position to recommend a major shift in policy, or even do the work necessary to realize that one was warranted,
